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Crane Fist posted:I'm extremely interested in hearing more about this its not as interesting as it sounds, there was just a HUGE overlap between early aristocrat organic advocates like (the extremely cool) lady balfour and also out and out blood and soil nationalist german guys who saw organic production methods (at this time largely conceived of as the stuff that guy who wrote that book about composting in china that I cant even think of the name of despite the fact that he is like the godfather of western org. farming[myu brain is full of hole[) as part and parcel with their political program of recreating a kind of cottage farmer based society where the Old Ways are The BEst Ways and the food should be as pure as the blood of the nation. In the paper I argued that this reactionary tendency actually never went away and explains why so many boomer hippy generation back to the lander types ultimately ended up being reactionary or like, how modern woo woo western nation people will believe in crystal healing and race science at the same time. Basically ecological thinking has always had a pretty large contingent of people who are fascistic and I believe this is under reckoned with. Im trying to find the paper but it was years ago now
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IAMKOREA posted:just gonna kramer in here without reading pages 2 through 6 and point out that b12 is produced by bacteria in the soil, farm animals are given b12 supplements/injections now since the soil is dead and animals aren't even allowed to live on the soil anyway, and eating meat for b12 given that animals have to have b12 supplements anyway is just taking b12 supplements with extra steps B12 is not produced by bacteria in the soil. Unless you mean nightsoil. It's produced in the gut microbiome of a lot of herbivores, especially ruminants. Their poo poo gets mixed with the soil and thus soil contains B12. It's also naturally present in certain types of seaweed. We can now just ferment it up, we don't need a cow stomach, but figuring out if the process works or not was only possible in 1955, thus marking us being able to solve the deficiency with better answer than "guessing" or "eat cow liver".
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ohrwurm posted:i have cats and buy them meat food i got put on a block list that is widely circulated among disability activist twitter because i got in an argument with someone about how 'forcing pets to eat a vegan diet' wasn't abuse if the animal was not an obligate carnivore once lmao
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 23:41 |
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also for everyone who want sgood vegan cheese at a more reasonable price just buy this book: https://www.amazon.com/Artisan-Vegan-Cheese-Miyoko-Schinner/dp/1570672830 because it loving owns also this is the best meat substitute cookbook:" https://thegentlechef.com/gentle-chef-cookbooks/seitan-beyond-cookbook/
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endlessmonotony posted:It is important to note that if we engineer wetland so the runoff runs through it and gets to linger a bit, it can be reclaimed by weeds we can feed to animals or compost. In the case of those weeds we can capture the energy by eating the animals, drinking their milk or fermenting them for biogas. Every approach has its upsides and downsides, though the first one... isn't super great. I live on the west coast if the usa where salmor runs used to serve as a vector for massively replacing nutrients by taking them from the sea and literaly dragging them up mountains and then we killed all the beavers to build single family homes lol oops
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Crumbskull posted:its not as interesting as it sounds, there was just a HUGE overlap between early aristocrat organic advocates like (the extremely cool) lady balfour and also out and out blood and soil nationalist german guys who saw organic production methods (at this time largely conceived of as the stuff that guy who wrote that book about composting in china that I cant even think of the name of despite the fact that he is like the godfather of western org. farming[myu brain is full of hole[) as part and parcel with their political program of recreating a kind of cottage farmer based society where the Old Ways are The BEst Ways and the food should be as pure as the blood of the nation. This all makes a lot of sense and there's always been a huge weird nostalgic element to fascism, whether you go eco or not seems to depends entirely on how far back consider "the good old days" to be
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Bot 02 posted:Not to be "that vegan", but veganism is more than just eating plants. It's a philosophy which acknowledges animals' rights not to be harmed and exploited, and eating a plant based diet is a subset of that philosophy, but it also means that you're not necessarily vegan just based on your diet if you don't also subscribe to the philosophy in other aspects of your life. I'm considering becoming a full vegan because I oppose cruelty to animals and loving love gatekeeping, it really strengthens a movement
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Bot 02 posted:Not to be "that vegan", but veganism is more than just eating plants. It's a philosophy which acknowledges animals' rights not to be harmed and exploited, and eating a plant based diet is a subset of that philosophy, but it also means that you're not necessarily vegan just based on your diet if you don't also subscribe to the philosophy in other aspects of your life. oh yeah that's right, it's been a while and i forgot. i was very careful to never say i was a vegan, just that i was on a plant based diet. go ahead and be 'that vegan' imho
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endlessmonotony posted:B12 is not produced by bacteria in the soil. are you sure man? lot's of people say that those bacteria are also present in soil. anyway cows still need to be given b12 injections because their food doesn't have enough cobalt so eating meat is still just like taking supplements with extra steps if your only concern is b12
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Crane Fist posted:I'm considering becoming a full vegan because I oppose cruelty to animals and loving love gatekeeping, it really strengthens a movement You're right, eroding the core tenet of what a movement is about is what really strengthens it. It's not gatekeeping, it's being clear about the definition. Veganism isn't a diet, it's a philosophy focused on animal rights. If we want a thread to discuss the different aspects of plant-based eating that's fine, but it is not the same as veganism.
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# ? Nov 5, 2020 08:04 |
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popping in to say that plants integrate being eaten in their reproduction strategies so if they scream in pain it's like us humans giving birth but also vore. true for almost every fruit and most vegetables.
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# ? Nov 5, 2020 09:49 |
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I understand why veganism is alienating to people and think it shouldn't be a part of a socialist political project but it's definitely morally correct I feel. That makes me a centrist, so I ask to be killed immediately.
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Grevling posted:I understand why veganism is alienating to people and think it shouldn't be a part of a socialist political project but it's definitely morally correct I feel. That makes me a centrist, so I ask to be killed immediately. lentils will be mandatory
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lumpentroll posted:lentils will be mandatory
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lumpentroll posted:lentils will be mandatory
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I'm a vegetarian but believe in the free market and am a job creator by keeping the dairy industry afloat.
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yeah but what happens when he covers the earth in lentils? oh, they're nitrogen fixers and it will basically be a garden of eden? huh, that's cool...
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# ? Nov 5, 2020 20:55 |
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im eatng a mcvegan and feeling sorta bad about it
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# ? Nov 6, 2020 03:22 |
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I've tried a bunch of different vital wheat gluten recipes and ended up with a weird spongy moisture-pocket filled texture that's impossible to shape each time, even if the flavour's good. I'm assuming I'm just not kneading enough but I've got some joint things that make kneading... unpleasant. What can I do?
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how my vegans doing? thinking about how awesome all yall are
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Do it ironically posted:how my vegans doing? thinking about how awesome all y’all are [extremely white guy voice]: hey yo where my vegans at
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had to go to a mandatory funday Friday lunch where work bought everyone pizza and sides but I couldnt eat anything, gently caress yeah
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Pyrotoad posted:I've tried a bunch of different vital wheat gluten recipes and ended up with a weird spongy moisture-pocket filled texture that's impossible to shape each time, even if the flavour's good. I'm assuming I'm just not kneading enough but I've got some joint things that make kneading... unpleasant. What can I do? Hmm, I've never had a problem like that, been making this recipe and this recipe. Maybe you can try kneading it in a kitchen machine? Are you tightly wrapping it in foil or cloth before cooking it?
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Do it ironically posted:had to go to a mandatory funday Friday lunch where work bought everyone pizza and sides but I couldnt eat anything, gently caress yeah the social aspect of veganism is one of the toughest parts but real friends will make vegan stuff when they invite you over for food sucks coming into work and theres a box of donuts or something tho
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# ? Nov 7, 2020 13:38 |
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this month is 4 years since I stopped eating animal products and it rules. i lost about 15lbs and maintained muscle/strength. safe to say at this stage I'm never going back. this thread is cool and good. the duality of thought for people who claim to care about climate change but also still eat meat is straight up lol
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Bot 02 posted:Hmm, I've never had a problem like that, been making this recipe and this recipe. Maybe you can try kneading it in a kitchen machine? Are you tightly wrapping it in foil or cloth before cooking it? I'll give those a shot - neither of the recipes I followed happened to include those steps. I don't have a stand mixer so maybe that can go on the christmas list. Thanks for the advice!
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Pyrotoad posted:I'll give those a shot - neither of the recipes I followed happened to include those steps. I don't have a stand mixer so maybe that can go on the christmas list. Thanks for the advice! You're welcome! I haven't tried making unwrapped seitan, but I assume it's pretty important for the firmness.
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Bot 02 posted:You're welcome! I haven't tried making unwrapped seitan, but I assume it's pretty important for the firmness. if you just throw it in boiling water you end up with a big thing of cooked seitan chunks that, if cooked in a pan with a bit of oil and spices, makes a pretty good ground meat substitute steaming is a good way of keeping it from getting too compact and homogenous, and you can stretch and fold before to give it a stringy texture once you get the hang of making seitan at home youll never go back to the store-bought stuff
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Wamsutta posted:The duality of thought for people who claim to care about climate change but also still eat meat is straight up lol Helpful, too! I'm in-process of switching. Habits, etc. That said... SUPPLEMENTAL READING: On carrying-capacity. Yes, the world can go vegan. In fact, it's nearly optimal for maximizing carrying-capacity. quote:U.S. land capacity for feeding people could expand with dietary changes On GHG implications. Yes, vegan is optimal. Veganism. Best for climate. More than capable of feeding everyone.
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baw posted:the social aspect of veganism is one of the toughest parts but real friends will make vegan stuff when they invite you over for food this is true but Im lucky my Canadian town of 125,000 people has 3 strictly vegan restaurants and most other places have multiple plant based options, we even have a vegan grocery store. not that Im eating out but BC is mostly vegan friendly
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Wamsutta posted:this month is 4 years since I stopped eating animal products and it rules. i lost about 15lbs and maintained muscle/strength. safe to say at this stage I'm never going back. this thread is cool and good. the duality of thought for people who claim to care about climate change but also still eat meat is straight up lol Climate.concerned meat eaters (in contexts where it wouldnt be a big deal to eat plant based) are basically like 'of course i think the meat industey is bad and ill gladly stop participating as soon as i am forced to'
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# ? Nov 8, 2020 08:48 |
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memes turned me vegan
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Accretionist posted:Helpful, too! I'm in-process of switching. Habits, etc. lol The data's kinda garbage. Too much current impact data compared to optimal production. And even then it says vegetarian, not vegan. Those are distinct. And even then it's wrong. A vegan diet could never be the best option until we figure out sea farming in a somewhat reliable fashion - or get those giant vertical farming towers going. Invertebrates: Like the most efficient machines we could build, but technically animals.
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Thinking of eating vegan another day of the week more than I was before. Maybe adding in another vegetarian day I guess.
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My girlfriend and I are lucky to have friends who will gladly cook vegan when they invite us over, but the easiest way we've found to deal with the social aspect is to host dinners ourselves. Removes the entire worry of being difficult guests and with a bit of luck the exposure to good vegan cooking might even help nudge them towards veganism in the future.
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# ? Nov 8, 2020 15:46 |
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So this is something I've been struggling with ever since I first became a vegan and I'd like some input Hummus: food of the gods or overrated?
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Bot 02 posted:So this is something I've been struggling with ever since I first became a vegan and I'd like some input i make it every week for sandwiches but think most store bought hummus tastes like poo poo. idk why because it's not hard to make right, maybe preservatives? the store bought i've had that wasn't terrible was pointlessly expensive
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Bot 02 posted:So this is something I've been struggling with ever since I first became a vegan and I'd like some input I made a chickpea soup once that was basically thin hummus, except it included two slow roasted heads of garlic, several roast capsicums and a tin of coconut cream it was possibly the best thing I've ever eaten store bought hummus is poo poo and costs like $5 for a tiny jar where I live
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at first youre like "heck yeah hummus" and it becomes a staple food but eventually you move on to other things and eat it less often. if you ever take a vegan cooking class youre almost guaranteed to learn how to make hummus also yeah make your own dang hummus
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