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Schwack posted:It's weird how much the red parts of Oregon hate Kate Brown. Her reponse to COVID has been tepid at best, but lots of folks hate her with a fiery passion. Oregon hasn't gone nearly far enough. So far, it seems like we've escaped the worst case scenarios through sheer luck. Oregon is the extremes of American politics in a nutshell. I think a big part of it is simply that Oregon clamped down fairly early on because Washington and California were some first states hit and that meant the infection didn't get as strong as a hold as some states. That said, we have been really spiking with the rest of the country, and our luck may have run out.
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Schwack posted:It's weird how much the red parts of Oregon hate Kate Brown. Her reponse to COVID has been tepid at best, but lots of folks hate her with a fiery passion. Oregon hasn't gone nearly far enough. So far, it seems like we've escaped the worst case scenarios through sheer luck. they hated her long before covid
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The Voice of Labor posted:they hated her long before covid Which, again, is weird as hell. I've never managed to get a solid answer WHY. These people blame everything from homelessness to wildfires on her. Shits crazy.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:30
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Apparently the polarization between Oregon Democrats and Republicans aren't as big as other states.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:31
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most of the good things Kate Brown did in response to Covid involved waiting for Inslee or Newsom to act first and then copying them. Also when she realized people weren't going to distance because she scolded them without enacting any policies she got angry and brought in restrictions.
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Nov 12, 2020 08:20
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Didn't Oregon have an advisory vote on having central / eastern Oregon seceding to Idaho? That got reported in our news.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:03
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seiferguy posted:Didn't Oregon have an advisory vote on having central / eastern Oregon seceding to Idaho? That got reported in our news. Got denied in court after they blew up on the runway: quote:PORTLAND, ORE. (AP) — A federal judge has denied a petition to bypass state-required signatures to qualify as a ballot measure its proposal for 17 counties to divorce from Oregon and become part of Idaho.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:37
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Eastern Oregon ceding to Idaho would be such a spectacular self-own for both involved parties that I almost want to see it happen unfortunately there are actual people that live there so it's probably for the best that it doesn't
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Nov 12, 2020 18:41
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seiferguy posted:Didn't Oregon have an advisory vote on having central / eastern Oregon seceding to Idaho? That got reported in our news. Four rural counties voted on it and two of them barely passed a measure that asks county officials to hold a meeting on the idea. The counties in question have a total population of about 50,000 people, of which only 13,000 supported the idea of even holding meetings about it and neither county is contiguous with Idaho. Kaal fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 18:47
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Kaal posted:Four rural counties voted on it and two of them barely passed a measure that asks county officials to hold a meeting on the idea. The counties in question have a total population of about 50,000 people, of which only 13,000 supported the idea of even holding meetings about it and neither county is contiguous with Idaho. oof Are the cranks going to go for another state-wide election or will they just keep looking for local county weirdos? e: also has anyone asked Idaho if they wanted them?
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Nov 12, 2020 18:50
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:Eastern Oregon ceding to Idaho would be such a spectacular self-own for both involved parties that I almost want to see it happen 60% of the state's population lives in Portland metro alone. Outside of Portland the state is essentially a "green desert" like Montana.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:54
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Gerund posted:Got denied in court after they blew up on the runway: It's a little unfair to compare signature collecting in Portland to the rural areas where this would be popular, but on the other hand universal preschool got 100 times that many signatures in four weeks so it's definitely possible to do a little more diligence, even in a pandemic.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:57
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Gerund posted:Are the cranks going to go for another state-wide election or will they just keep looking for local county weirdos? It's a DOA effort that is struggling to find local majorities even in the reddest of Oregon's districts. Even if they actually had public support, they'd need to get consent from the Oregon and Idaho legislatures, as well as US Congress. Individuals have no right to simply lay claim to land, and the public at large recognizes that.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:58
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Kaal posted:It's a DOA effort that is struggling to find local majorities even in the reddest of Oregon's districts. Even if they actually had public support, they'd need to get consent from the Oregon and Idaho legislatures, as well as US Congress. Individuals have no right to simply lay claim to land, and the public at large recognizes that. I dunno, the legal theory of “what if eminent domain, but in reverse” sounds like great fun, it’s annexation for all!
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Nov 12, 2020 19:03
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I wish idaho was filled with better people because it's a loving fantastic place but drat it's got some cranks
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Nov 12, 2020 19:05
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Would anyone be surprised if we’re looking at rolling back reopening? I wouldn’t. poo poo’s getting out of control again. https://twitter.com/drewmikkelsenk5/status/1326930399105220608?s=21
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Nov 12, 2020 19:20
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Okay gotta go buy a pound of weed now I guess. There's no way this gets any better unless they shut poo poo down for a while.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:21
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generic one posted:Would anyone be surprised if we’re looking at rolling back reopening? I wouldn’t. poo poo’s getting out of control again. I mean the fact that his wife will be there makes it sound like all he has is a heartfelt plea for Washingtonians to do better and not an actual policy change. So nothing useful. “Restaurants and gyms are open, you can gather with 5 people outside your house each week, but also absolutely don’t do those things.”
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Nov 12, 2020 19:27
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Eggnogium posted:I mean the fact that his wife will be there makes it sound like all he has is a heartfelt plea for Washingtonians to do better and not an actual policy change. So nothing useful. I bet Jay and Trudi will say that they aren't having any family over for Thanksgiving and you should please do the same. But yeah they need to do some actual closures ASAP. I have to imagine those are coming eventually but it can't be soon enough.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:34
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gohuskies posted:I bet Jay and Trudi will say that they aren't having any family over for Thanksgiving and you should please do the same. But yeah they need to do some actual closures ASAP. I have to imagine those are coming eventually but it can't be soon enough. I don't think he has the stones to begin with a lockdown, so it really depends on what Number he gives as his sign before he shuts it down Sunday / Monday.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:38
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gohuskies posted:I bet Jay and Trudi will say that they aren't having any family over for Thanksgiving and you should please do the same. But yeah they need to do some actual closures ASAP. I have to imagine those are coming eventually but it can't be soon enough. Just insane that after March they didn’t learn the lesson to lock down two weeks before you feel you have to. The time has come and gone already, if you wait until it’s a crisis you will still have a 4x size crisis after current infections run their course.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:46
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Eggnogium posted:Just insane that after March they didn’t learn the lesson to lock down two weeks before you feel you have to. The time has come and gone already, if you wait until it’s a crisis you will still have a 4x size crisis after current infections run their course. People whinge and moan that direct democracy can't respond to crises and we need authoritarian executives to seize the moment and take action, meanwhile we're literally buying ourselves the Thanksgiving mass graves right now waiting for our executives to feel like they can take action, which will be insufficient.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:05
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Indoor dining/nonessential businesses never should have been opened up. People don't need haircuts or casinos or bars, and that's where a shitfuckton of the infections are coming from.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:54
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Thanatosian posted:Indoor dining/nonessential businesses never should have been opened up. People don't need haircuts or casinos or bars, and that's where a shitfuckton of the infections are coming from. Not an emptyquote. poo poo sucks, not having a broad lock down just extends the pain. I mean, businesses that already have low profit margins are just going to die a little slower as you limit capacity to 40% for 8 more months. They won't survive. Shut down for a month, maybe a little longer. Then you can phase reopen. This all or nothing poo poo is just going to extend this until a vaccine is widely available.
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Thanatosian posted:Indoor dining/nonessential businesses never should have been opened up. People don't need haircuts or casinos or bars, and that's where a shitfuckton of the infections are coming from. I read an article a while back about how an analysis of contact tracing in San Diego found that indoor dining by itself was responsible for just under 20% of all COVID infections with a confirmed index patient, but can't locate it now.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:00
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I think a reasonable compromise would have been to allow limited capacity in person stuff where you can be masked 100% of the time like haircuts/retail/Togo to keep people getting paid if the gov can't, but yeah bars/in person dining (indoors or out) is dumb as hell.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:01
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The Oldest Man posted:I read an article a while back about how an analysis of contact tracing in San Diego found that indoor dining by itself was responsible for just under 20% of all COVID infections with a confirmed index patient, but can't locate it now. Here you go: quote:Los Angeles County health officials continued to say yesterday that sit-down restaurant and bar experiences are a contributing factor in the spread of the coronavirus. County public health director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said in a press conference yesterday that LA County has “seen somewhere between 10 and 15 percent of cases being connected to a dining experience.” I'm fine with people doing haircuts or whatever as long as we shut down all dining in for three months.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:06
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:I think a reasonable compromise would have been to allow limited capacity in person stuff where you can be masked 100% of the time like haircuts/retail/Togo to keep people getting paid if the gov can't, but yeah bars/in person dining (indoors or out) is dumb as hell. The fundamental reason why dining and bars are so dangerous is that you need: 1) A bunch of people 2) Spaced relatively close together, both to their own group and others (no matter how much you reduce occupancy) 3) Doing an activity that requires that they not wear masks 4) For hours Haircuts: The actual activity is 1 stylist/barber and 1 customer. Both can wear masks the entire time. Retail: Shopping only actually requires two people be close together for a couple of minutes. Both can wear masks and have other physical barriers. Takeout: Most of the unique people coming into the establishment are in and gone in a matter of a few minutes. Everyone can be wearing a mask. None of those should actually be open right now, but indoor dining and bars are Peak Bad.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:08
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The Oldest Man posted:People whinge and moan that direct democracy can't respond to crises and we need authoritarian executives to seize the moment and take action, meanwhile we're literally buying ourselves the Thanksgiving mass graves right now waiting for our executives to feel like they can take action, which will be insufficient. But it seems like it wouldn't work!!!
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Nov 12, 2020 21:32
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I already told my family that I will not be going to the big Thanksgiving party and got mostly eye rolls in response. But then again they are all Trump supporters and hate the mask mandate. I hope they all stay healthy.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:50
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Inslee's office confirms no new restrictions will be announced tonight, just continuing to ask people to please cancel their holiday plans, but actual restrictions could be put in place possibly as soon as next Monday https://twitter.com/gramsofgnats/status/1326983575560835072
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Nov 12, 2020 21:53
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gohuskies posted:Inslee's office confirms no new restrictions will be announced tonight, just continuing to ask people to please cancel their holiday plans, but actual restrictions could be put in place possibly as soon as next Monday The tens or possibly hundreds of people who are going to die as a direct result of this specific delay will be happy to let their loved ones know that the groundwork was properly laid, the Process respected, and decorum observed and that they sacrificed their lives for those highest of causes. Semper brunch.
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gohuskies posted:Inslee's office confirms no new restrictions will be announced tonight, just continuing to ask people to please cancel their holiday plans, but actual restrictions could be put in place possibly as soon as next Monday This slow-rolling is probably what is needed to get maybe an extra chunk of folks on board but it is really disappointing that this wasn't started earlier.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:06
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Nobody wants to be seen banning Thanksgiving. Unfortunately this means we’ll have to ban Christmas, which they also won’t do. F.
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Oscar Wild posted:Not an emptyquote. poo poo sucks, not having a broad lock down just extends the pain. I mean, businesses that already have low profit margins are just going to die a little slower as you limit capacity to 40% for 8 more months. They won't survive. Shut down for a month, maybe a little longer. Then you can phase reopen. This all or nothing poo poo is just going to extend this until a vaccine is widely available. The government absolutely should've just stepped in and paid all rents. The next two years are going to be a series of dominos falling as businesses fail and commercial properties fail as a result and banks tighten credit because loans are defaulted on commercial properties and business fail because credit tightened or they lose their physical space because the leasor fails because credit tightened. We're also going to face a wave of homelessness as eviction moratoriums end. I guess I should say a continuing wave of homelessness, there's now an encampment a block from my house and they're starting to park cars and stuff there. Driving to the delta park Lowes there's camps all around out there. I'm totally sympathetic and don't blame these people, and human waste and garbage are starting to pile up, which just gets dangerous.
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The WA eviction moratorium was only ever a 1/4 solution anyway, partially because of what you mentioned (people are never going to be able to catch up) but also because the skyrocketing prices in the Seattle metro area have forced thousands of people into illegal sublets and gray-market arrangements that weren't ever going to be covered, and because an increasing number of landlords are "self helping" with illegal lockouts, intimidation, and harassment. The wave of homelessness is just going to build and build until finally the moratorium can't be extended to kick the can for another month or three and a good couple hundred thousand people go over the cliff all at once (or as fast as the courts will process them). Meanwhile I just took my dog for a walk and my local coffee shop had a crowd of around 15 or so Abercrombie looking influencers with their insta boyfriends, snapping pictures of them hugging and posing. No masks. Put them in MAGA hats and move venue to an Applebees; I don't see a difference.
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The Oldest Man posted:The WA eviction moratorium was only ever a 1/4 solution anyway, partially because of what you mentioned (people are never going to be able to catch up) but also because the skyrocketing prices in the Seattle metro area have forced thousands of people into illegal sublets and gray-market arrangements that weren't ever going to be covered, and because an increasing number of landlords are "self helping" with illegal lockouts, intimidation, and harassment. The wave of homelessness is just going to build and build until finally the moratorium can't be extended to kick the can for another month or three and a good couple hundred thousand people go over the cliff all at once (or as fast as the courts will process them). There is a good question of how a Biden administration/state governments gets out of the current situation because once the vaccine is in place there is going to be a massive push to get rid of eviction moratoriums (in places they still exist) (and the ban on foreclosures isn't going to last forever either). Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Ardennes posted:There is a good question of how an Biden administration gets out of the current situation because once the vaccine is in place there is going to be a massive push to get rid of eviction moratoriums (in places they still exist) (and the ban on foreclosures isn't going to last forever either). The housing crisis was a thing that nobody from centrist dems rightward has had any loving idea of how to deal with over the past couple of decades; COVID didn't create it, it just very slightly accelerated it, and Biden is just going to let a bunch of people get kicked out of their homes, because the alternative is upsetting real estate investors.
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Thanatosian posted:The housing crisis was a thing that nobody from centrist dems rightward has had any loving idea of how to deal with over the past couple of decades; COVID didn't create it, it just very slightly accelerated it, and Biden is just going to let a bunch of people get kicked out of their homes, because the alternative is upsetting real estate investors. Well, looking at Portland, I would say it was more than a slight acceleration, but yeah it was already a giant issue and will continue to be in the future and once evictions are fully unfettered it is going to only get worse. It doesn't help that in Portland almost all of the new construction has been targeted on the high-end. There may be some slight declines due to a oversupply of housing but landlords often are "willing to wait" for their ideal price while most of the city looks like a backdrop from Looper. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Ardennes posted:There is a good question of how a Biden administration/state governments gets out of the current situation because once the vaccine is in place there is going to be a massive push to get rid of eviction moratoriums (in places they still exist) (and the ban on foreclosures isn't going to last forever either). They let it happen. I don't understand why this is even a question. There will be some minimal poo poo done (means tested rent repayment lottery anyone??) to make it look like it's not happening or so that everyone has something to point to to say "we did what we could" and to give the progressive brunch crowd the feeling that Something is Better Than Nothing So This is Fine, but there's not going to be a change in policy response from 10,000 people on the street to 50,000 to 100,000.
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