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Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

Good soup! posted:

i can think of no better thread to duel my forums enemies than the money-making thread in cspam

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Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
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henkman posted:

I don't see Being Poor on the mod list

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010
another good way to make money is scratch off tickets. a lot of people say that they're negative ev and you can't reliably make money off them, but those people are actually thinking of lottery tickets. scratch-offs are profitable once you develop a good "system"

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
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You take your barren, unprofitable womb, add some sperm, a surrogate egg — baby, you got a stew goin

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Barry White
Jun 28, 2008

Luke Skywalker kills Han Solo's son at the climax of Episode VII
get a paper round op or go and visit an elderly relative?

elderly relatives will also give you kisses

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in stroling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants who, as they grow up, either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country, to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties, that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom, a very great additional grievance; and therefore whoever could find out a fair, cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the publick, as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them, as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of our projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in their computation. It is true, a child just dropt from its dam, may be supported by her milk, for a solar year, with little other nourishment: at most not above the value of two shillings, which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner, as, instead of being a charge upon their parents, or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall, on the contrary, contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us, sacrificing the poor innocent babes, I doubt, more to avoid the expence than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple, whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couple, who are able to maintain their own children, (although I apprehend there cannot be so many under the present distresses of the kingdom) but this being granted, there will remain a hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand, for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remain a hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this number shall be reared and provided for? which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; they neither build houses, (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing till they arrive at six years old; except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier; during which time they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers; as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me, that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl, before twelve years old, is no saleable commodity, and even when they come to this age, they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half a crown at most, on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriments and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasee, or a ragoust.

I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and fortune, through the kingdom, always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump, and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium, that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, encreaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant’s flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolifick dyet, there are more children born in Roman Catholick countries about nine months after Lent, than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of Popish infants, is at least three to one in this kingdom, and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of Papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar’s child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, labourers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants, the mother will have eight shillings neat profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which, artificially dressed, will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our City of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose, in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter, to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said, that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age, nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every county being now ready to starve for want of work and service: and these to be disposed of by their parents if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend, and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys, by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable, and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission, be a loss to the publick, because they soon would become breeders themselves: and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice, (although indeed very unjustly) as a little bordering upon cruelty, which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, how well soever intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed, that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanaazor, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London, above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country, when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality, as a prime dainty; and that, in his time, the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the Emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty’s prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes, cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at a playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed; and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken, to ease the nation of so grievous an incumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known, that they are every day dying, and rotting, by cold and famine, and filth, and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young labourers, they are now in almost as hopeful a condition. They cannot get work, and consequently pine away from want of nourishment, to a degree, that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labour, they have not strength to perform it, and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of Papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation, as well as our most dangerous enemies, and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good Protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country, than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to a distress, and help to pay their landlord’s rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintainance of a hundred thousand children, from two years old, and upwards, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a piece per annum, the nation’s stock will be thereby encreased fifty thousand pounds per annum, besides the profit of a new dish, introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom, who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among our selves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, besides the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns, where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection; and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating; and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards, or enforced by laws and penalties. It would encrease the care and tenderness of mothers towards their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the publick, to their annual profit instead of expence. We should soon see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives, during the time of their pregnancy, as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, or sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barrel’d beef: the propagation of swine’s flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well grown, fat yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a Lord Mayor’s feast, or any other publick entertainment. But this, and many others, I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and was indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither clothes, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shopkeepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to myself, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion, as to reject any offer, proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, As things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for a hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, There being a round million of creatures in humane figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock, would leave them in debt two million of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession, to the bulk of farmers, cottagers and labourers, with their wives and children, who are beggars in effect; I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food at a year old, in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes, as they have since gone through, by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of intailing the like, or greater miseries, upon their breed for ever.

I profess in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavouring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the publick good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children, by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Anyone got the exchange rate for comedy gold to actual gold? Asking for a friend, in this thread.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010


holy lmao

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Gold farming in MMOs definitely can be a good source of income, in my experience, but it's pretty difficult/impossible to make a full living wage from it alone, depending on how hard you go on it.

If you do try your hand at it, AAA games like WoW or AO are generally not a good bet, because they're more difficult to bot (a 100% necessary practice since spending 12 hours a day to maybe make $5 worth of fake money is absolutely not worth your time) and the market is much less lucrative. Rather than gold farming in those games, power leveling characters, or doing tedious achievements/legendary crafting/whatever the owners don't want to do might be a better time investment, but YMMV big time on that.

The absolute best game to farm gold for, in my experience, is still Runescape (I had success in Maple Story at one point, I'm not sure how good it is now). You'll need a VPN, and either a bot client of your choice (most publicly available bots have a lovely free option, and a decent paid option for ~$5/month), a simple color clicker/macro of your own design that you'll need to babysit, or a multiboxing setup for at least 10+ accounts. If you roll your own setup, be sure to introduce delays, jittery mouse travel, slight differences in where clicks go, random pauses, etc because Jagex is not shy about banning obvious bots, and has numerous anti-botting measures, including GMs just whispering you to see if you respond. Fortunately, you're using a VPN, and can just register new accounts if yours get banned.

Once you've farmed up a bunch of whatever profitable thing, just contact whichever gold farming company looks most legit and arrange to transfer the profits & get paid via whatever method that company is using at the time (unless you have sweet personal acquaintances who will buy your fake money, gold farming companies are the most reliable buyer). Note, be very mindful of community experiences with them, and what the company is asking for when it comes to financial info. If possible, give buyers dedicated/disposable accounts rather than your real ones. Also note, if you haven't bought membership before ($5/month), there's a limit on how much gold you can transfer, but trade limitations are something they change up every now and then.

How much money you can make depends on a lot of factors, but in the past I've made ~$20-$30 a day while doing other things for maybe an hour's worth of attention. You'll see lots of folks in bot communities bragging about making tons of money and quitting their day job but uh, big grain of salt with those.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Path of exile is probably the easiest to do real money trading with since it's free to play. If you're good at it you can make 50-100 exalts in a day and get about $1 for each most leagues.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

There's a goon in Creative Convention who's claiming to make over 500$ a day by self publishing hastily written erotica on Amazon. Financial woes, begone!

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Crespolini posted:

There's a goon in Creative Convention who's claiming to make over 500$ a day by self publishing hastily written erotica on Amazon. Financial woes, begone!

Not sure about $500/day, but writing halfway-legible erotica, or niche stuff with decent demand you can churn out reliably is definitely a solid income that quite a few non-goons will swear by, even if it sounds kind of suspect. There's a bunch to it though, definitely much closer to full-time + overtime work than gig stuff.

Syenite has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Dec 4, 2020

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

qnqnx posted:

Anyone got the exchange rate for comedy gold to actual gold? Asking for a friend, in this thread.

Jeffery pays me about 50 cents for every good post I make. Its a good way to make some spending money imo.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Syenite posted:

Not sure about $500/day, but writing halfway-legible erotica, or niche stuff with decent demand you can churn out reliably is definitely a solid income that quite a few non-goons will swear by, even if it sounds kind of suspect. There's a bunch to it though, definitely much closer to full-time + overtime work than gig stuff.

They solemnly swear they made more than 100K on a smutty story that took them 2.5 weeks to write. Now you have to admit, that's a good return on the time invested!

snake and bake
Feb 23, 2005

:theroni:

Larry Parrish posted:

i make a dollar above minimum wage you gently caress

That's $1 + min wage more than I'd be making right now, if I wasn't choking down my rage long enough to do some stupid bullshit underpaid work on the internet while applying for better jobs

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Crespolini posted:

They solemnly swear they made more than 100K on a smutty story that took them 2.5 weeks to write. Now you have to admit, that's a good return on the time invested!

Yeah, again I'm not gonna vouch for that particular goon, but people do make job-level amounts of money publishing on Amazon, if they put in job-level amounts of work.

AverySpecialfriend
Jul 8, 2017

by Hand Knit
Personally, I thought the joke about a cis man getting bottom surgery in order to smuggle liquor out of the club in his pussy was funny

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Syenite posted:

Gold farming in MMOs definitely can be a good source of income, in my experience, but it's pretty difficult/impossible to make a full living wage from it alone, depending on how hard you go on it.

If you do try your hand at it, AAA games like WoW or AO are generally not a good bet, because they're more difficult to bot (a 100% necessary practice since spending 12 hours a day to maybe make $5 worth of fake money is absolutely not worth your time) and the market is much less lucrative. Rather than gold farming in those games, power leveling characters, or doing tedious achievements/legendary crafting/whatever the owners don't want to do might be a better time investment, but YMMV big time on that.

The absolute best game to farm gold for, in my experience, is still Runescape (I had success in Maple Story at one point, I'm not sure how good it is now). You'll need a VPN, and either a bot client of your choice (most publicly available bots have a lovely free option, and a decent paid option for ~$5/month), a simple color clicker/macro of your own design that you'll need to babysit, or a multiboxing setup for at least 10+ accounts. If you roll your own setup, be sure to introduce delays, jittery mouse travel, slight differences in where clicks go, random pauses, etc because Jagex is not shy about banning obvious bots, and has numerous anti-botting measures, including GMs just whispering you to see if you respond. Fortunately, you're using a VPN, and can just register new accounts if yours get banned.

Once you've farmed up a bunch of whatever profitable thing, just contact whichever gold farming company looks most legit and arrange to transfer the profits & get paid via whatever method that company is using at the time (unless you have sweet personal acquaintances who will buy your fake money, gold farming companies are the most reliable buyer). Note, be very mindful of community experiences with them, and what the company is asking for when it comes to financial info. If possible, give buyers dedicated/disposable accounts rather than your real ones. Also note, if you haven't bought membership before ($5/month), there's a limit on how much gold you can transfer, but trade limitations are something they change up every now and then.

How much money you can make depends on a lot of factors, but in the past I've made ~$20-$30 a day while doing other things for maybe an hour's worth of attention. You'll see lots of folks in bot communities bragging about making tons of money and quitting their day job but uh, big grain of salt with those.

I can't even come up with a way to make fun of this post

Just thinking about it feels like someone is holding live electrodes to my temples

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Syenite posted:

Yeah, again I'm not gonna vouch for that particular goon, but people do make job-level amounts of money publishing on Amazon, if they put in job-level amounts of work.

Ah. Back to the drawing board, then.

snake and bake
Feb 23, 2005

:theroni:
A lot of folks itt are misdirecting their anger. Y'all need to be mad at the government policies that lead to this kind of poo poo

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Crespolini posted:

There's a goon in Creative Convention who's claiming to make over 500$ a day by self publishing hastily written erotica on Amazon. Financial woes, begone!

drat, I wanna get in on this grift. is there a how-to somewhere?

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Eugene V. Dubstep posted:

I can't even come up with a way to make fun of this post

Just thinking about it feels like someone is holding live electrodes to my temples

:confused: farming MMO currency is an entire industry. It's very real and people very much do it for a living all over the world. loving steve bannon used to do it for fucks sake.

I think most of it is done with bots but if someone is actually good at an mmo then it's just a matter of finding a way to mule out your gold to the real money trading pipeline for whatever game it is. I personally think playing a game you like for 8 hours a day and selling currency is a shitload better than working a minimum wage job, and posts like this are dogshit. If you don't have something other than trolling to contribute then just gently caress off, we get it, you're privileged and can't imagine having to do things for money that you don't love. just shut the gently caress up

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

empty whippet box posted:

drat, I wanna get in on this grift. is there a how-to somewhere?

Erotica talk is apparently banned from the self-publishing thread because of some unspecified, goon-related drama. They even mention an off-site, so I'm sure there's some hilarious bit of forums history tucked away there.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

empty whippet box posted:

drat, I wanna get in on this grift. is there a how-to somewhere?

You're in luck! There's a whole thread in CC, and many helpful goons who will guide you along if you write up an excerpt for criticism. 500-1000 words will probably do.

snake and bake
Feb 23, 2005

:theroni:

empty whippet box posted:

If you don't have something other than trolling to contribute then just gently caress off, we get it, you're privileged and can't imagine having to do things for money that you don't love. just shut the gently caress up and gently caress off

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
quick money making tip: copper wiring can be salvaged and sold at scrapyards. just putting that out there.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Syenite posted:

Erotica talk is apparently banned from the self-publishing thread because of some unspecified, goon-related drama. They even mention an off-site, so I'm sure there's some hilarious bit of forums history tucked away there.

Like 10 years ago there were a bunch of goons getting into self-publishing with erotica and were making okay money off it, including I think a few mods. They were doxxed and the whole thing exploded into a month-long drama fest.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

SKULL.GIF posted:

Like 10 years ago there were a bunch of goons getting into self-publishing with erotica and were making okay money off it, including I think a few mods. They were doxxed and the whole thing exploded into a month-long drama fest.

That sounds pretty hosed up and also par for the course on SA if I'm being honest.

Apparently, romance is a good genre as well, if goons are to be believed.

angel opportunity posted:

I actually stopped posting on SA because I got so tied up in self-publishing that I didn't have time to post here anymore...

I thought I'd drop back in here with some sales numbers! A huge thanks especially to Sundae for getting me started many years ago. I started with erotica and switched over to full-length romance when KU 2.0 hit. The big chunk of time where I made $0 is because I had a kid and my wife was in school full-time, so I had to quit for a long time. I just got started up again and luckily was able to make it work again.




I can say that 100% if not for this thread on SA, I would be working an office job for $30,000/year still!

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Syenite posted:

Erotica talk is apparently banned from the self-publishing thread because of some unspecified, goon-related drama. They even mention an off-site, so I'm sure there's some hilarious bit of forums history tucked away there.

The OP of that thread is woefully out of date, and this is all water under the bridge now. Erotica is back, and in a BIG way, so to speak ;)

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
A bad way to make money is to try a dropshipping or print on demand t-shirt/merch business. They're generally not very profitable from personal experience/stories I've heard.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

twoday posted:

A bad way to make money is to try a dropshipping or print on demand t-shirt/merch business. They're generally not very profitable from personal experience/stories I've heard.

Yeah, both of those are super saturated with large-scale operations that vacuum up any potential profit. Hell, if you reply "wow cool picture wish it was on a t-shirt" to any image tweet you'll get some bot advertising the image on a cheap shirt within the day.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

empty whippet box posted:

:confused: farming MMO currency is an entire industry. It's very real and people very much do it for a living all over the world. loving steve bannon used to do it for fucks sake.

I think most of it is done with bots but if someone is actually good at an mmo then it's just a matter of finding a way to mule out your gold to the real money trading pipeline for whatever game it is. I personally think playing a game you like for 8 hours a day and selling currency is a shitload better than working a minimum wage job, and posts like this are dogshit. If you don't have something other than trolling to contribute then just gently caress off, we get it, you're privileged and can't imagine having to do things for money that you don't love. just shut the gently caress up

point by point I guess

1. Steve Bannon owned a stake in a gold-farming company that employed Chinese workers each operating multiple instances of a given game for nickels per hour

2. These workers were, while not exactly chained to their desks and whipped, in any case exploited to satisfy the demands of wealthy western consumers and owners like Bannon. You say they were actually playing fun games all day, which you judge is a "shitload better than working a minimum wage job." Again, I have trouble even mocking this point of view, it's so appalling. Your claim that sitting in front of your computer all day monitoring Runescape in case a GM messages is similar to being a wealthy capitalist should make it clear to anyone still in doubt that not only are you totally ignorant of basic concepts like class and power relations, but you also have no common sense. You're a classic bird brain.

3. I am contributing by pointing out how misguided the "advice" itt is. I hope by doing so I will prevent you from doing any real harm to any naive goons who may have opened this thread in the sincere expectation of learning how to make ends meet

OpiumMan
Jun 14, 2007

bloom posted:

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Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Gold farming is not fun, but it is okay money if you use bots and put in a job-level amount of work, as well as being less dangerous than working at McDonald's right now, which I think is sort of the point of the thread.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Eugene V. Dubstep posted:

point by point I guess

1. Steve Bannon owned a stake in a gold-farming company that employed Chinese workers each operating multiple instances of a given game for nickels per hour

2. These workers were, while not exactly chained to their desks and whipped, in any case exploited to satisfy the demands of wealthy western consumers and owners like Bannon. You say they were actually playing fun games all day, which you judge is a "shitload better than working a minimum wage job." Again, I have trouble even mocking this point of view, it's so appalling. Your claim that sitting in front of your computer all day monitoring Runescape in case a GM messages is similar to being a wealthy capitalist should make it clear to anyone still in doubt that not only are you totally ignorant of basic concepts like class and power relations, but you also have no common sense. You're a classic bird brain.

3. I am contributing by pointing out how misguided the "advice" itt is. I hope by doing so I will prevent you from doing any real harm to any naive goons who may have opened this thread in the sincere expectation of learning how to make ends meet

ok, I get it, you're trolling. have fun I guess.

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

Syenite posted:

Gold farming is not fun, but it is okay money if you use bots and put in a job-level amount of work, as well as being less dangerous than working at McDonald's right now, which I think is sort of the point of the thread.

Instead of putting job-level amounts of effort into destroying your spine, eyeballs and enjoyment of videogames in general chasing after virtual currency, put that same effort into searching for an actual job, then the actual job. Just my two cents.

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Poniard
Apr 3, 2011



i used to know someone who sold diablo items by playing all day and they would pay most of their rent with it. probably more lucrative than working at mcdonalds and in these times, safer.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
playing path of exile I could easily generate $50 a day in in-game currency if I focused on it, only reason I don't is because my wife and I already have ways to generate money and I don't know a real money trader to link up with. If I did I'd probably already be doing it.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

qnqnx posted:

Instead of putting job-level amounts of effort into destroying your spine, eyeballs and enjoyment of videogames in general chasing after virtual currency, put that same effort into searching for an actual job, then the actual job. Just my two cents.

Yeah, that would be ideal in many cases, and like the OP said, there are 100% remote jobs available (almost all of them fielding calls), but not everyone gets picked for those, or it takes months of applications to find one. There's a lot of extenuating circumstances people can have.

In any case, I'm not gonna truly look down on someone doing something non-optimal in the meantime to make ends meet, or hell, even if they're just doing that because they like(?) it, because who cares. I'll definitely look down on cryptominers though, because gently caress them.

Poniard posted:

i used to know someone who sold diablo items by playing all day and they would pay most of their rent with it. probably more lucrative than working at mcdonalds and in these times, safer.

The Diablo auction house was obscenely lucrative, and I was sad to see it go. :rip:

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Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
I know a woman who quit her job to become her own boss as a Mary Kay Beauty Consultant, she was always talking about how much money she made. probably more lucrative than, God forbid, waged work

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