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FlamingLiberal posted:They are also putting Susan Rice in charge of domestic policy, which I find incredibly bizarre. She is a foreign policy person. US domestic policy is called foreign policy in every other country.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Where are The Dems boosting Cuomo? There is nothing in the NY Daily Mag story about that. you cant deny there's a certain degree to which liberal institutions are more than happy to elevate cuomo as "the smart governor who listened to SCIENCE and saved new york from the pandemic"
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Where are The Dems boosting Cuomo? There is nothing in the NY Daily Mag story about that. He's been hailed as the anti-Trump hero of the pandemic for months now, not so much by the party itself as the liberal media apparatus. Doesn't work so good if you know anything at all about NY politics but he's definitely gotten a boost and there have been rumblings about positioning him to move up in the ranks, either in the Biden admin or more likely in 2024. James Garfield posted:If she didn't want the position she could have, you know, not taken it. Very progressive of you to shift the blame from Biden (or his advisors) to Fudge, who like any normal politician probably saw it as a path to greater influence (or at least not burning bridges with the incoming administration) and a position where she can possibly do some material good despite the implications of how the entire process played out. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:There's a space thread where we discuss these details and the conclusions may surprise you! The short of it is, while the resources in space are basically limitless, the ability to mine, extract, refine and process them and bring them back to earth is going to be heavily bottlenecked. Which in practice makes them far far far from worthless, even finding a asteroid full of rare earths won't appreciably dent the market despite the claims of 80 trillion$ of resources in them. Because they'll never be mined at a rate in which it could flood the market (and even if hypothetically that were possible, the asteroid mining equivalent of OPEC would coordinate to prevent undercutting the market like that).
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Dec 19, 2020 05:51
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Mat Cauthon posted:Very progressive of you to shift the blame from Biden (or his advisors) to Fudge, who like any normal politician probably saw it as a path to greater influence (or at least not burning bridges with the incoming administration) and a position where she can possibly do some material good despite the implications of how the entire process played out. "The blame" for what? "The blame for giving Marcia Fudge HUD instead of Agriculture" is not a sufficient answer, since if she didn't want HUD she could have declined and recommended someone else for the job.
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Dec 19, 2020 05:56
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James Garfield posted:"The blame" for what? The more interesting issue is that Biden yielded to Big Ag interests in repicking someone known as Mr. Monsanto versus someone who has expressed a strong interest in reforming the Dept of Ag to more favor food assistance programs and small farmers instead of large corporations.
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Dec 19, 2020 06:04
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James Garfield posted:"The blame" for what? The last time someone went like that Biden wasn’t moved.
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A big flaming stink posted:you cant deny there's a certain degree to which liberal institutions are more than happy to elevate cuomo as "the smart governor who listened to SCIENCE and saved new york from the pandemic" Like who?
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Dec 19, 2020 06:15
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James Garfield posted:"The blame" for what? jesus christ
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Shageletic posted:The more interesting issue is that Biden yielded to Big Ag interests in repicking someone known as Mr. Monsanto versus someone who has expressed a strong interest in reforming the Dept of Ag to more favor food assistance programs and small farmers instead of large corporations. Vilsack was the previous Secretary of Ag and knows it well, and is a close Biden ally. Much like it was odd to hear people make hay of recent pharma donations to Clyburn when he's known Biden for over 30 years (as well as other candidates he spent substantial time with in the House), to the extent that it warrants a side-eye, it's probably more appropriate to suspect cronyism than outside dollars. I did a search for articles about Vilsack from his tenure, and it looks like he was still a major part of expanding SNAP under Obama. 2010: Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act statement by Vilsack: https://www.fns.usda.gov/pressrelease/2010/063210 2015: quote:Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced on April 1, 2015 that the USDA awarded $31.5 million in funding to local, state, and national organizations to support programs that help participants in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) increase their purchase of fruits and vegetables. These grants were made through the Food Insecurity Nutrition Incentive (FINI) program authorized by the 2014 Farm Bill. There were various types of awards made under FINI including small pilot projects, multi-year community-based projects, and larger-scale multi-year projects. 2010: quote:Philadelphia -- The Obama Administration today released details of an over $400 million Healthy Food Financing Initiative, which will bring grocery stores and other healthy food retailers to underserved urban and rural communities across America. The initiative was announced today in Philadelphia by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack. The two cabinet members appeared with First Lady Michelle Obama, who recently launched the Let's Move! campaign to solve the epidemic of childhood obesity within a generation. The initiative is a partnership between the Departments of Treasury, Agriculture, and Health and Human Services. Weirdly few articles about him though. Seems kind of low-profile. He's honestly not a pick I really understand beyond the suspicion that Biden personally likes him and he knows the department  . Not a favorite of mine.
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I mean, I dont think it's a coincidence that the people the Senator From MBNA is closest to just so happen to also be heavily compromised ethically.
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Interesting contemporaneous article about Vilsack and the Grain Inspection Packers and Stockyards Administration, and an attempted overhaul under Vilsack:quote:In the months leading up to the hearing in Ankeny Tom Vilsack installed a team of regulators who would overhaul the Grain Inspection Packers and Stockyards Administration, an agency with special antitrust authority over meat companies. The obscure GIPSA agency played a critical role in protecting America’s meat supply. The agency’s authority derived from laws passed 100 years ago to combat the abuses of a so-called “Meat Trust,” a small group of old-school meat packers like Armour and Swift. The Meat Trust underpaid farmers and hiked prices for consumers, and the USDA was remarkably effective at breaking up the meat companies’ monopolistic power. By 1982, the four biggest beef companies controlled only 44 percent of the market and the four chicken producers controlled only 32 percent of the market. But lax enforcement during the 1980s and 1990s brought consolidation back to meat production. quote:To shape the debate, meat company lobbyists used an increasingly common tactic in the Washington influence industry. They stoked a “grassroots” movement of ordinary people who contacted lawmakers to voice complaints and make suggestions that perfectly mirror the wishes of big business. In the meat business, of course, there was no more effective group to enlist for such an effort than farmers themselves. If farmers opposed USDA’s efforts, it was hard to justify them. https://slate.com/human-interest/20...aul-failed.html
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rko posted:It’s also a bit sad that Biden’s much lower bar made Schumer’s proposal seem so generous, but $50k is still insufficient to handle the problem of student loan debt. Isn't average student loan debt 30k? I'm not denying Schumer is doing this for crass political gain, but wouldn't 50k debt forgiveness get rid if student debt for most people? The big problem with student loan debt forgiveness, i think, is that it doesn't solve the underlying problem. I mean, it's great for people who have their debt forgiven, but then the people who graduate from college next year are going to have their own debt, and so on....the underlying problem is the cost of college education, and unless that is fixed, student loan forgiveness is just kicking the can down the road.
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Dec 19, 2020 07:16
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I'd also like to see colleges more open for people who just want to learn and aren't as interested in/don't need the degree per se. I think it would help us have a more educated electorate if, for example, people who wanted to could take a history course that covered, say, industrialization--even if it wasn't for "college credit".
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Dec 19, 2020 07:18
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Pick posted:I'd also like to see colleges more open for people who just want to learn and aren't as interested in/don't need the degree per se. I think it would help us have a more educated electorate if, for example, people who wanted to could take a history course that covered, say, industrialization--even if it wasn't for "college credit". https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/
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Dec 19, 2020 07:24
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Pick posted:I'd also like to see colleges more open for people who just want to learn and aren't as interested in/don't need the degree per se. I think it would help us have a more educated electorate if, for example, people who wanted to could take a history course that covered, say, industrialization--even if it wasn't for "college credit". Some (many?) universities let you audit courses for much less than it would cost to actually take it. You don't get assignments marked or take exams and the most you can get is a certificate certifying you attended lectures but like, at my old university you could do it for something like $200 vs $1000+ per individual course. You also don't have to be an enrolled student, there just needs to be unfilled space in the class.
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Dec 19, 2020 07:26
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Pick posted:I'd also like to see colleges more open for people who just want to learn and aren't as interested in/don't need the degree per se. I think it would help us have a more educated electorate if, for example, people who wanted to could take a history course that covered, say, industrialization--even if it wasn't for "college credit". You can already audit courses at a lot of universities, and especially at community colleges. And that's without getting into the fact that a lot of schools offer free online learning resources, including whole classes. It's honestly a gross solution. Making education free or cheap and using money to gate the piece of paper means we've given up entirely and we're admitting that good careers are pay-to-play.
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Dec 19, 2020 07:29
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socialsecurity posted:Like who? It was a widespread phenomenon, that went as far as having Cuomo give a speech at the convention. This is not something being invented, and it is documented here https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/615352/
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Paradoxish posted:You can already audit courses at a lot of universities, and especially at community colleges. And that's without getting into the fact that a lot of schools offer free online learning resources, including whole classes. Theoretically the argument is auditing or free online learning doesn't involve paid people marking work or providing feedback which anyone who has ever been a TA will tell you can be loving brutal. However considering how little most people involved in the process are paid for their time it doesn't really hold up. Although if you want the ultimate pay to play: MBAs by far. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Main issue with the student loan crisis is that entire generations of young people had it hammered into them from birth that college was mandatory for success, and frequently pressured and outright made to take out massive loans- which your incoming President had made undischargeable- made so easily available that educational and financial institutions are given every possible incentive to make sure as many people sign up for them as possible, with absolutely no consequences for all those young people graduating and finding their degrees are worthless and the success that was guaranteed to them was a sick joke. A ridiculously predatory lending model was reinforced and considered mandatory by every level of society, with fees absolutely exploding when colleges no longer have to actually anchor them in reality, entire generations of teenagers doing exactly what every single authority figure in their lives tells them to do turning out to be nothing more than one big generational swindle. But then, we learned in 2008 that being a financial institution basically means you have a license to rob people.
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socialsecurity posted:Like who? have you watched like, any news coverage at all relating to cuomo's handling of the pandemic
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James Garfield posted:"The blame" for what? The problem with the HUD pick has been laid out, using Fudge's own words even, and your response is that Biden threw her a bone and therefore it's her problem if she doesn't like the taste but picked it up anyway. Do you have an actual argument to make as to why it was an appropriate or even logical decision for the Biden administration to make, despite all evidence to the contrary? socialsecurity posted:Like who? Basically all of them? For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/business/media/cuomo-new-york-coronavirus.html It was all over for a few months, very hard to miss.
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What are essentially audiobook lectures aren't really what I was talking about; I think interactivity with professors and TAs is absolutely key; if you have a question, there should be an actual person who can answer it, and also who can check your understanding of the material. Anyway, as for the non-dischargeability of student loans, this traces it well: https://law.emory.edu/ebdj/content/volume-32/issue-1/comments/non-dischargeability-private-student-loans-looming-crisis.html quote:In the fall of 2015, roughly 20.2 million students were expected to attend colleges and universities across the United States, constituting over 4.9 million more students than in the fall of 2000. 1 Between 2002 and 2012 alone, college enrollment in the United States increased by 24%. 2 Not only are more students attending college, but they are paying a higher price for this education than ever before. 3 Controlled for inflation, the average four-year private university tuition in 1974 was $10,273, measured in 2014 dollars. 4 By 2014, this average figure had risen to $31,231, an increase of roughly 204%. 5
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A ridiculously predatory lending model was reinforced and considered mandatory by every level of society, with fees absolutely exploding when colleges no longer have to actually anchor them in reality, entire generations of teenagers doing exactly what every single authority figure in their lives tells them to do turning out to be nothing more than one big generational swindle. That's a Republican talking point used to justify funding cuts. The main cause of rising tuition at public universities is reduced state spending on education. Mat Cauthon posted:The problem with the HUD pick has been laid out, using Fudge's own words even, and your response is that Biden threw her a bone and therefore it's her problem if she doesn't like the taste but picked it up anyway. I think I will believe Marcia Fudge accepting the job over your interpretation of a one line quote in a random article, thanks. Anyway, the quote in question: quote:Fudge didn’t want the HUD job, a fact revealed by someone close to the process—Marcia Fudge. She was openly campaigning to run the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) as recently as a few days ago, and scornful of the idea that she could be pigeonholed as an inner-city Black Democrat. “As this country becomes more and more diverse, we're going to have to stop looking at only certain agencies as those that people like me fit in,” she told Politico last month. “You know, it's always ‘we want to put the Black person in Labor or HUD.’” "Her own words" don't even say she doesn't want the job, which makes perfect sense given that she took the job. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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James Garfield posted:"Her own words" don't even say she doesn't want the job, which makes perfect sense given that she took the job. This reminds me of the argument that the committee thing is totally fine or aoc wouldn't tweet about other things, in that it takes something loosely related and uses it to justify a bad decision by Dem leadership. Fudge accepting the job does not automatically make Biden's choices correct or good.
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James Garfield posted:That's a Republican talking point used to justify funding cuts. The main cause of rising tuition at public universities is reduced state spending on education. I don't want to work at my job, and yet here I am, because I also don't want to starve to death It's almost as if there are a lot of different meaning for the word "want" (in this case, you're clearly using the meaning of "is willing to do", and others take it as meaning "this isn't the job she'd prefer") and what is very clearly the discussion is that she was saying she didn't want to get pigeonholed there and then Biden pigeonholed her there
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A big flaming stink posted:have you watched like, any news coverage at all relating to cuomo's handling of the pandemic No I don't really watch the news and didn't realize they were "liberal institutions" or "the dems" could you link something?
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socialsecurity posted:No I don't really watch the news and didn't realize they were "liberal institutions" or "the dems" could you link something? What kind of evidence would you accept? Polls? Specific Democrats calling him out as being particularly good or cool or something? Hats people unironically made and wore that said "Cuomo/Fauci 2020" on them?
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Lemming posted:I don't want to work at my job, and yet here I am, because I also don't want to starve to death She's not a homeless person getting her first break, she's a sitting congresswoman who's been there since 2008. I don't think she gets fired from congress if she says no. Presumably she didn't accept the offer over food insecurity, she either wants the job on its own merits or sees it as a step up in political power that might lead to even more.
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Lemming posted:What kind of evidence would you accept? Polls? Specific Democrats calling him out as being particularly good or cool or something? Hats people unironically made and wore that said "Cuomo/Fauci 2020" on them? Ghost Leviathan posted:It's amazing how the dems keep trying to prop up neoliberal heroes despite literally no accomplishments besides thousands dead. Is the quote that started this discussion, I see it thrown around a bunch but never even the slightest evidence of it. Like it's assume that of course the dems are doing "bad thing" because they are my enemy and I say they are. I just wonder who they mean by the dems and who is doing this propping? I don't understand why this isn't a valid line of questioning.
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For what it's worth, I remember Cuomo being praised early on in the pandemic and then criticized during the early BLM protests, and haven't heard much about him since then.
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If he refuses to leave I want to see the DC police storm the whitehouse.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:If he refuses to leave I want to see the DC police storm the whitehouse. Since he has a gun, if he draws down on the cops, would they shoot? Could they shoot?
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Young Freud posted:Since he has a gun, if he draws down on the cops, would they shoot? Could they shoot? he doesn't have immunity anymore bythen so yes they could.
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Epicurius posted:Isn't average student loan debt 30k? I'm not denying Schumer is doing this for crass political gain, but wouldn't 50k debt forgiveness get rid if student debt for most people? Yeah, I think a lot of people focus primarily on university loan debt when a large amount of student loan debt also comes from community colleges, especially because community college via student loans has been sort of a band-aid for low/minimal unemployment benefits for a long drat time now. Clarste posted:For what it's worth, I remember Cuomo being praised early on in the pandemic and then criticized during the early BLM protests, and haven't heard much about him since then. Yeah it's certainly possible that there are still some people out there beating the drum for him, but I have heard barely a peep about him as a potential 2024 contender in, idk, 6 months or so?
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Young Freud posted:Since he has a gun, if he draws down on the cops, would they shoot? Could they shoot? yes Trump being gunned down by the police state and becoming a GOP martyr would literally be hilarious as the end of the admin.
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In a shocking turn of events, Trump is beaten to death by killer cops for resisting arrest while Biden falls off of the platform reaching for a Dogs Tail, leaving Pence and Harris to take up the mantles of antipresident and president.
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Darkrenown posted:She's not a homeless person getting her first break, she's a sitting congresswoman who's been there since 2008. I don't think she gets fired from congress if she says no. Presumably she didn't accept the offer over food insecurity, she either wants the job on its own merits or sees it as a step up in political power that might lead to even more. Thanks for completely missing the point, this will definitely be a very useful discussion to continue with you socialsecurity posted:Is the quote that started this discussion, I see it thrown around a bunch but never even the slightest evidence of it. Like it's assume that of course the dems are doing "bad thing" because they are my enemy and I say they are. I just wonder who they mean by the dems and who is doing this propping? I don't understand why this isn't a valid line of questioning. I just wanna know what evidence you'd consider sufficient so you don't try moving the goalposts, because this situation is really absurdly one sided and you basically had to have not being paying attention if you don't think Cuomo was being held up as an example of the "right" way to approach the pandemic as a specific contrast to what Trump was doing, despite the fact he's been a miserable failure. You can just google "Cuomo covid response" and find garbage like this https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/politics/andrew-cuomo-coronavirus-poll/index.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/governor-andrew-cuomo-coronavirus.html that are just non stop fellation quote:“He represents the kind of leadership we should have in the presidency and don’t,” said Representative Jackie Speier, a California Democrat who said her West Coast constituents are praising Mr. Cuomo. “His stock has gone way up.” In this case "dems" are both Democrats and elected Democrat politicians. Now you can point out why this evidence is somehow unacceptable, and I can get more, and we can repeat this forever can't wait
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Maybe you made your point shittily then? A posted with a real point might try clarifying when misunderstood though, it's something to consider in the future.
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So Fudge wanted Agriculture, and I think Vilsack was a bad choice. I would have liked to see her get the job she clearly was deeply interested in. I'm at a loss however, to understand how you can blame Biden both for offering her HUD and her accepting. Does she have zero agency here? If she really didn't want HUD, what stopped her turning it down? Clearly Fudge either let herself be persuaded there was some reason to take the job (loyalty, whatever), or she sees it as a step up for her personally. Various people just seem mad at Biden he offered her the job, and mad at Biden because she took it.  And they're also mad at people who think that's... bizarre.
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