|
andromache posted:The stockpile really just sits there until the likely event of Dave Archer loving welping an entire cerb fleet into something stupid (like warping onto the enemy at 0), while a massive fight is on-going and people are frantically pinging for more cerbs. Dave's a great muninn FC, the problem is he tries to fly Cerbs exactly like Muninns lmao
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 04:52 |
|
|
i want to say that a full set of reaction formulae (10 intermeds and 10 composites, except for the smaller stuff like ferrogel or w/e that you can get away with 5 each of) costs somewhere between 4-5b, so its a hefty investment to go from buying composites off the market to reacting your own and using them for ship production
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:26
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:Don't worry about doing reactions, but you absolutely need to do components. You should focus on a specific race's ships and modules at first since each one has a different set of components and the BPOs for them aren't cheap and you should really get them to 10ME. At the moment I have all bpo's for doctrine ships, cruisers and lower. All fully researched  My initial thought was to create TII bpcs, build the T1 ships with my own mineral (either mined or reprocessed from loot) and import all the other stuff I need by creating buy orders in Jita & amarr. I was also planning on eventually making my own construction blocks since I can do PI. So I wouldn't be able to be profitable without making my own components? Or is it that the margin would be so reduced, it wouldn't really be worth it? Another issue i'm facing is keeping track of all of this. I've been trying to create a spreadsheet for inventory/research cost/production cost/ etc etc... to make sure i can keep track of cost, but i suck at it. I only recently got jeve assets thanks to Atrum, hopefully this can help with that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:26
|
|
|
Burt posted:Just logged into M2, settings in potato mode, no problem until I swing round to look below the station. My PC almost stopped due to the amount of bubbles there! I had two hard crashes from the bubbles already.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:27
|
|
|
FAT32 SHAMER posted:i want to say that a full set of reaction formulae (10 intermeds and 10 composites, except for the smaller stuff like ferrogel or w/e that you can get away with 5 each of) costs somewhere between 4-5b, so its a hefty investment to go from buying composites off the market to reacting your own and using them for ship production lmao yeah i don't have that  I combined all my liquid isk on one char to put buy orders for my cerb components and i had about 1.8b total. I only kept 500m.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:29
|
|
|
Dalael posted:At the moment I have all bpo's for doctrine ships, cruisers and lower. All fully researched Yeah you basically don't have any margin buying components from the market. No one does it either, look at the volume on components. The BPOs are so easy to buy and upgrade that you really should just get them. Also check to make sure that you're actually saving anything building the T1 hulls yourself, since in a lot of cases you are actually spending more. For example: slasher hulls were selling for like 50% of build cost a few weeks ago for whatever reason. Remember most people building T2 stuff have been doing it for years and are both incredibly efficient at it and have vast stockpiles of everything. Jeve Assets helps a ton to keep track of how much you paid for everything since you can easily sort through your past market orders. I try to do runs of ~20 ships and make a new spreadsheet page for each run so that I can remember how much I paid for everything so I don't accidently sell them for a loss.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:35
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:Yeah you basically don't have any margin buying components from the market. No one does it either, look at the volume on components. The BPOs are so easy to buy and upgrade that you really should just get them. Also check to make sure that you're actually saving anything building the T1 hulls yourself, since in a lot of cases you are actually spending more. For example: slasher hulls were selling for like 50% of build cost a few weeks ago for whatever reason. Remember most people building T2 stuff have been doing it for years and are both incredibly efficient at it and have vast stockpiles of everything. Ok I will keep that in mind. I hope I can at least break even on those cerbs. When it comes to building components, do those take up manufacturing slots or something else?
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:40
|
|
|
Dalael posted:Ok I will keep that in mind. I hope I can at least break even on those cerbs. Yeah they are manufacturing slots. They don't take too long to build though also according to my sheet you're going to barely break even if you buy the components at 1DQ1 Sell prices, and probably lose money if you include invention. If you buy the composites and build your own components though you'll make ~20% if you make it all from raw goo bought at Jita Buy prices you make 65% 
Stereotype fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 11, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 22:43
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:We stopped doing the E3 hellcamp to focus on the M2- hellcamp and predictably that meant a ton of bads streamed into helms deep. The bads have also have gotten pretty adept at just doing blops drops everywhere so it sort of stopped being as useful. why isn't blackops doing trapfleets to counterdrop them? if it's the same dipshits as before, it's not hard to catch those guys and they fall for the bait again and again and again
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:26
|
|
|
Johnny Five-Jaces posted:why isn't blackops doing trapfleets to counterdrop them? if it's the same dipshits as before, it's not hard to catch those guys and they fall for the bait again and again and again I tried it once with a secret thrasher fleet but they must have been spying on the comms or something because they didn't take the bait. I'm not in blackops so I don't know if they are trying, but the consensus of skirmish_commanders is that if you ping for anything they'll dock up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:28
|
|
|
Johnny Five-Jaces posted:why isn't blackops doing trapfleets to counterdrop them? if it's the same dipshits as before, it's not hard to catch those guys and they fall for the bait again and again and again We're busy dumpstering Querious sov with Delta
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:32
|
|
|
RFC2324 posted:P sure my total assets are worth less than 3 bil. Not everyone is spacerich, and I'm guessing small time producers end up tying up most of their liquid when they prep to do a run. So like a Daddy EVERY TIME GOING posted:Completely agree that Imperium pilots should be educated to keep their personal fittings windows regularly updated with the doctrine fits from GSF forums and utilize it as the source for when kitting out their space sloops. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to pay some reliable goon a PLEX per month or so to go over the corp fits (is there an alliance fits button too?) and update them every couple of days. Hell, I'd do that. I mean, I copy paste from forums myself, but the shared fits seem like they'd be useful.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:33
|
|
|
Groshlak posted:I would like to join GoonWaffe. I've read the wiki page Joining GoonWaffe 101 and I would like to make sure I use the proper channel. I'm gonna be nice. Join karmafleet.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:53
|
|
|
Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to pay some reliable goon a PLEX per month or so to go over the corp fits (is there an alliance fits button too?) and update them every couple of days. The fittings manager role can't really hurt anything. i'd probably be willing to hand it out to a couple goons that weren't complete paste-eating morons. However, that has historically been a very tall order for goonwaffe though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 11, 2021 23:55
|
|
|
andromache posted:The fittings manager role can't really hurt anything. i'd probably be willing to hand it out to a couple goons that weren't complete paste-eating morons. However, that has historically been a very tall order for goonwaffe though. Given the amount of time I spend going back and forth between the forums and making sure my pyfa/in-game fittings are up to date, I imagine there are at least three other folks doing the same, each with >2 brain cells to their name, who could push butan once a week and not gently caress it up too badly
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:06
|
|
|
I only eat paste in moderation and such will regularly check that the corp fitting window reflects its GSF fitting forum counterpart in the amount of paste each ship should carry with 89% accuracy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:10
|
|
|
I am so proud that skimming this thread I keep seeing Delta Sqad getting mentioned , brings a tear to my eyes that you guys are out there just keeping poo poo classy still 
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:24
|
|
|
Jazzzzz posted:Given the amount of time I spend going back and forth between the forums and making sure my pyfa/in-game fittings are up to date, I imagine there are at least three other folks doing the same, each with >2 brain cells to their name, who could push butan once a week and not gently caress it up too badly I will be happy to keep the fitting uptodate, I have enough of an obsession keeping the subforums fully read so yeah, happy to help out keep everyone in updated doctrine.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:31
|
|
|
you mean <2 (less than two) brain cells probably
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:47
|
|
|
Fqubed posted:I will be happy to keep the fitting uptodate, I have enough of an obsession keeping the subforums fully read so yeah, happy to help out keep everyone in updated doctrine. If you want to help out, just ping me in the goonfleet jabber channel with your eve character you want the title on, since it's too much  for me to figure out forum account via sa account.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:49
|
|
|
https://soundcloud.com/user-887330919-68649354/warp-war-update-2021-01-11 this is the most depressing 5 minutes of my life and i was suicidally depressed once
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:49
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:
You can actually fit a jackdaw or hecate to be instawarp and have enough cargo space to steal them, fairly easily. If you can fly those ships might be a good idea.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:49
|
|
|
Burt posted:Just logged into M2, settings in potato mode, no problem until I swing round to look below the station. My PC almost stopped due to the amount of bubbles there! I'm honestly kind of pleased that, even at high settings, my five year old machine can handle the idle hellcamp with no problems, even on high settings. It's fun to look at all the pretty ships with skins I've never seen and guys i did it https://zkillboard.com/kill/89890220/ after a whole decade i finally got to use my carrier in anger i did it guys. i did it  (I am still a little surprised I haven't been mocked more for being in a probably un-SRPable carrier, even if it's just in the M2- hellcamp.  I also wouldn't object to injector or isk-for-the-buy-SD-some-injectors-fund donations, just sayin'.)Rudeboy Detective posted:So is the whole Helm's Deep idea depreciated? Basically like Stereo said, poo poo's popping off everywhere and there's almost constant combat and nobody is safe. If you want to rat etc. it's probably best to do it in a small gang or somesuch at least. And remember to do it in an SRP-able ship, there's a thread that has PvE SRP fits.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:56
|
|
|
Fqubed posted:I will be happy to keep the fitting uptodate, I have enough of an obsession keeping the subforums fully read so yeah, happy to help out keep everyone in updated doctrine. this would be a nice start. I have several bones to pick with the absolute fuckwits who post "doctrine" ships on contract and get poo poo wrong half the time. maybe this will help that problem. (altho a lot of it is people obviously skimping on modules and extras so they can undercut other people throwing contracts up.) if at all possible I'd love to see us maintain some of the standard fits people should use for armor gangs, chemos, and pve poo poo (abyssals mostly) - it would help take the guesswork out of fitting for our newer players or retvets who hear large smart bomb and immediately scream out "ILL BRING MY ROKH"
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:57
|
|
|
SpaceDrake posted:Basically like Stereo said, poo poo's popping off everywhere and there's almost constant combat and nobody is safe. If you want to rat etc. it's probably best to do it in a small gang or somesuch at least. And remember to do it in an SRP-able ship, there's a thread that has PvE SRP fits. Oh no, I don't care about ratting. Over the course of the hellcamp I moved a bunch of expensive-ish subcaps to the E3 keep that I belatedly realized I should probably move somewhere else. Thank you, though!
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 00:58
|
|
|
Rudeboy Detective posted:Oh no, I don't care about ratting. Over the course of the hellcamp I moved a bunch of expensive-ish subcaps to the E3 keep that I belatedly realized I should probably move somewhere else. I did the same thing. just moved some ships out and then loaded a dst with like 3b in abyssal loot. got lucky and just gated to 1dq with no issues now that there is no bridge at all, but if I was not paying as much attention to intel and stuff I'd have probably died. a carrier can only hold so many ships 
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:03
|
|
|
yeah the jump gate network is completely hosed right now
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:10
|
|
|
WilWheaton posted:I am so proud that skimming this thread I keep seeing Delta Sqad getting mentioned , brings a tear to my eyes that you guys are out there just keeping poo poo classy still come back to this dumb game, ya dangus edit: bring qwerty too
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:10
|
|
|
andromache posted:If you want to help out, just ping me in the goonfleet jabber channel with your eve character you want the title on, since it's too much Sapphirejb in goons, Fqubed_aran in the jabbers/mumbles
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:13
|
|
|
Baculus posted:this would be a nice start. There are altcorps that provide proper fit ships though 
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:15
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:yeah the jump gate network is completely hosed right now Honestly in a war I'd expect any jump bridge to be broken. EDIT: changed gate to bridge because lol I'm dumb. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jan 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:18
|
|
|
Dalael posted:At the moment I have all bpo's for doctrine ships, cruisers and lower. All fully researched I don't think it's really viable to do all that while mining your own minerals, you can but I think you'd burn out quickly. I used to make my own PI, but I just buy it now because I am still making a profit. I think you really need to get into reactions to make a good profit with T2. It's honestly not that difficult, you are pressing sort of the same buttons as manufacturing. Start out with one of the carbine you need and go from there. I'd also recommend going into T2 modules, because IMO doctrine ships sell slowly and it's easier to invent. You don't really need decryptors for T2 mods because the base BPC is 10 runs. Generally mods are cheaper to make then ships so the more runs out of a BPC the better. Also make sure you are building in bulk, the more runs you do at a time the more manufacturing bonus will cut down on your cost. The spreadsheet I built starts with a sheet that list all the materials I use and their market cost. On another sheet I have all the T2 components I use, I then calculate how many materials I need and the cost to make one component. On a third page I have listed out the T2 products I make with calucations for how many components and the final cost to produce one. This way I only have to update the cost of materials and I'll know what my profits will be for what I decide to build. There is/was a way to automate getting the prices from eve market apis but I was too lazy to add that. Don't be afraid to experiment and figure out what works for you and what doesn't. If I can make isk doing manufacturing anyone can.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:21
|
|
|
Stereotype posted:yeah the jump gate network is completely hosed right now We have jump bridges?
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:22
|
|
|
Solus posted:We have jump bridges? No.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:23
|
|
|
andromache posted:The fittings manager role can't really hurt anything. i'd probably be willing to hand it out to a couple goons that weren't complete paste-eating morons. However, that has historically been a very tall order for goonwaffe though. Jazzzzz posted:Given the amount of time I spend going back and forth between the forums and making sure my pyfa/in-game fittings are up to date, I imagine there are at least three other folks doing the same, each with >2 brain cells to their name, who could push butan once a week and not gently caress it up too badly Hell, once a month. Fittings don't update that often, and if there was a centralized changelog topic, you could just follow that thread and update poo poo as Arrendis or others log their changes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:23
|
|
|
dragonshardz posted:Hell, once a month. Fittings don't update that often, and if there was a centralized changelog topic, you could just follow that thread and update poo poo as Arrendis or others log their changes. log in and accept your contracts on siobhan, these corpses are stinkin' up my hangar
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:30
|
|
|
Jazzzzz posted:log in and accept your contracts on siobhan, these corpses are stinkin' up my hangar yesssssss more corpses for the hoard
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:36
|
|
|
Solus posted:We have jump bridges? Yes, they are these buttplug looking ships that shoot us to where we need to go.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:40
|
|
|
Eltoasto posted:Yes, they are these buttplug looking ships that shoot us to where we need to go. sometimes the ship disappears suddenly instead of launching the fleet.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 04:52 |
|
|
Stereotype posted:Yeah they are manufacturing slots. They don't take too long to build though I decided to go through all my calculations again. I wanted to know exactly how much I could make by sourcing all components & minerals from Jita/Amarr if I simply bought from current sell orders. Taking into account that I own a fully research Caracal BPO, each caracal would cost me ~14,742,578 if I build them myself, which is in line with current sell orders. The cost of my Cerb BPC comes up to ~1,644,621 per cerberus considering I did 11 inventions, 4 of which succeeded allowing me to build up to 32 Cerbs. This includes cost of decryptors and Datacore. Total cost of each cerberus (components + bpc + caracal) = ~178m. Cerbs currently sell for ~ 265m. Now this does not account for logistic cost of bringing all that poo poo to 1DQ which I still have to figure out, but i'm tired and i spent all day working on Excel. Which I barely know how to use so  Hopefully the fact that i'm in no hurry and will use buy orders to buy my components will allow me the make the first few cerbs profitable. As for the other 28, I will do as you suggested. PS: Let me know if this sounds way off Dalael fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jan 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2021 01:48
|
|