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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. Opposing racism and oppression are pretty key reasons for why I'm left wing. Israel will stop being a sticking point for the left when Israel stops being an Apartheid state. Compromising those central planks just to try appease people who won't ever be appeased by anyone left of Blair is not something I'm interested in.
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Communist Thoughts posted:most people with experience in centrist politics are massive failures the dude did officer training, i thought, which seems 'extra mile'-y to me
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. what do you reckon motivates a british left worth fighting for which allows for this kind of discipline
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forkboy84 posted:Opposing racism and oppression are pretty key reasons for why I'm left wing. Israel will stop being a sticking point for the left when Israel stops being an Apartheid state. Main reason I quit labour (was going to quit before GE2019 but when it was announced hung around not to let people down as I was the main social media wrangler, quit before leadership result was announced) was I could see which way the wind was blowing and I could see Palestinians were going to be sold down the river, the three leadership candidates did not disappoint in that regard, all swearing allegiance to the BoD pledges. At least I can comment on Israel / Palestine affairs without fear of being booted from the party with false accusations of anti-semitism which I would never in a million years be able to afford to sue for libel. (I read recently somewhere that during the 2016 purges, labour were able to identify people on social media who were in the party even if they didn't use their own name or an email address associated with their LP membership. I don't know how that works or if it's true.)
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bird. posted:Eagerly awaiting this becoming the Scexit thread. I am an idiot American but I cannot see a future where the UK keeps Northern Ireland or Scotland. Perhaps not today or tomorrow, but as the years tick by those territories will detach and the UK has not the military, political will, connections, or public sympathy to prevent that. The type of government that could suppress the rising tide of freedom from the hated colonial overlord won't be found anytime soon in the UK. Neoliberalism has made them as incapable of making their subjects fear them as they are at making their subjects love them. The only questions still up in the air are: when will Wales go? Cornwall? And once those go, why not the North? Congratulations, heirs of Alfred the Great, William the Conqueror, and William of Orange, you've recreated the heptarchy. bedpan has issued a correction as of 08:42 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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bird. posted:Eagerly awaiting this becoming the Scexit thread.  hmmmmmmm!!
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trial by stone!
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bedpan posted:I am an idiot American but I cannot see a future where the UK keeps Northern Ireland or Scotland. Perhaps not today or tomorrow, but as the years tick by those territories will detach and the UK has not the military, political will, connections, or public sympathy to prevent that. The type of government that could suppress the rising tide of freedom from the hated colonial overlord won't be found anytime soon in the UK. Neoliberalism has made them as incapable of making their subjects fear them as they are at making their subjects love them. I mean George is not wrong in that ignoring the issue means there's not much that can come of it, unless outright rebellion occurs. He's also right in that nobody will care about a unified Ireland, Northern Ireland is a lost cause anyway. The SNP's entire reason for existing is independence - if that happens then they'll collapse. So in alot of ways its beneficial for nothing to happen, allowing the SNP to continue to stir up national fervour and blame England for any and all woes. He's also not wrong in that the loss of Scotland would entirely diminish Westminster - ironically England needs Scotland so it can continue to pretend to be a united Kingdom. If Scotland breaks away and rejoins the EU then all you have is a diminished insular nation state. Basically Scotland cannot do anything without the approval of Westminster - it can attempt a Catalonia style referendum, but it would likely result in the SNP's arrest and devolution dissolved. Unless another more powerful nation is willing to come to Scotland's rescue it can't do much.
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This would own, agitating for independence and holding a referendum to have England before the world and God after Brexit try to dissolve the SNP and the outrage and riots it would cause while Ireland reunifies anyways, just the most rofls -- I hope they weigh the leverage they have and do it
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I believe even as Ireland leaves, and Scotland leaves, and Wales and Cornwall push for increased devolution, Englanders will still believe they are the mightiest empire in the world.
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i can see a future where the U.K. breaks up and england is finally freed to wave the st. george's cross around as much as they want, which is what they always wanted to do anyways. what's wrong with being denmark? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6hjI5VSaao
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I saw many St George's crosses flying outside people's houses just yesterday, driving through north london/south hertfordshire.
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Already doing well courting favour with the EU I see: UK and EU in row over bloc's diplomatic status BBC posted:A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.
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How long until the complete collapse of the UK, and will it happen before liz dies?
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Biplane posted:How long until the complete collapse of the UK, and will it happen before liz dies? Not soon enough
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For a fun time hop onto twitter and look at guardian terfs melting down about Biden. https://twitter.com/hadleyfreeman/status/1352186532556374016?s=21 edit: added a link TheDoublePivot has issued a correction as of 13:27 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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I dont know how to do that
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. its like the most obvious trap every time and nobody else in the whole country has any idea what we're on about. replace israel with trans rights or syria or BLM and you could argue the same thing. i think "don't talk about X because people don't understand it" is goofy. also in your view shoul palestinian brits also "shut the gently caress up" about israel? i'd like to hear some communist thoughts on this.
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. Is your username a joke?
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. can't believe keir starmer bought an account.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i can see a future where the U.K. breaks up and england is finally freed to wave the st. george's cross around as much as they want, which is what they always wanted to do anyways. what's wrong with being denmark? Kaveman posted:Is your username a joke?
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TheDoublePivot posted:For a fun time hop onto twitter and look at guardian terfs melting down about Biden. this one triggered me hard. hadley freeman is honestly the worst person on earth.
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oliwan posted:this one triggered me hard. hadley freeman is honestly the worst person on earth. Already unavailable oh dearie me diddums get ratioed? Ed: #BidenErasedWomen is trending, so I daresay there'll be plenty of tears there. Runcible Cat has issued a correction as of 15:44 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Kaveman posted:Is your username a joke? It's cool, he's internalized the entire phenomenon his av is referencing. He is now a 'useless piece of poo poo' type leftist. Ever depressed, ever trying to dodge whatever 'traps' the other side has set up, ever defeated.
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Popping back in the UKMT recently and seeing Zero Gravitas has turned into a Sensible Left moderate was so sad
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Ugh, D&D is infecting C-SPAM again.
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Dravs posted:Ugh, D&D is infecting C-SPAM again. Eh UKMT was originally an LF thread/community before LF was closed.
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 Levelling up across the country would probably go faster if they hadn't selected the "Bad Deal Brexit" challenge mode.
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the left in the UK should just shut the gently caress up about israel. i'll just say what i said when someone suggested the same thing about immigration discourse in us politics being too difficult: people have said this through out history about : -trans rights -gay marriage -women's suffrage -racial equality -segregation -slavery -etc
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i'll say it again: israel/palestine is one of those issues where people will naturally have strong feelings if they're involved in international solidarity, antiracism and/or anti-imperialism. it clusters very tightly with being an ideological left-winger. dropping the issue means pissing on all the lefties - which is a really bad way to keep them mobilised and loyal, as one must to try to implement leftie policies domestically
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V. Illych L. posted:i'll say it again: israel/palestine is one of those issues where people will naturally have strong feelings if they're involved in international solidarity, antiracism and/or anti-imperialism. it clusters very tightly with being an ideological left-winger. dropping the issue means pissing on all the lefties - which is a really bad way to keep them mobilised and loyal, as one must to try to implement leftie policies domestically This is true. It's also true that almost everyone who's not a committed leftist is just gonna think anyone that interested in Palestine is a weirdo at best and HAMAS symphatiser at worst. I hope too that the general discourse on the matter would evolve but as it stands, paying that much attention to the Palestine question has the tendency of making people unelectable.
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barbecue at the folks posted:This is true. It's also true that almost everyone who's not a committed leftist is just gonna think anyone that interested in Palestine is a weirdo at best and HAMAS symphatiser at worst. I hope too that the general discourse on the matter would evolve but as it stands, paying that much attention to the Palestine question has the tendency of making people unelectable. the trick is repetition and normalization, unfortunately its slow and requires persistence
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oliwan posted:this one triggered me hard. hadley freeman is honestly the worst person on earth. terves in the replies/qts accusing this person of binarist thinking 
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i think it's a bad thing that there's a place in the world where people are kept in a big cage and tortured by a state i am a big softy though
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