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Nessus posted:I think Uhura was from the United States of Africa or something. Similarly, Geordi was born in Mogadishu. In both cases, of course, the purpose of this was to indicate that Africa was just fine and dandy by Star Trek times. Given their reaction to the coronavirus, this seems to be another of those things Trek got right. Uhura speaks Swahili in one episode (which has its own imperialist baggage, but whatever). I think it's likely both a nod to Africa being equal to
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Yvonmukluk posted:It'd be cool to have an episode where they find a planet where the transplanted culture has become spacefaring in their own right, because they didn't just stagnate from when they were taken. Give me a Space Wakanda episode, dammit! There was the Roman Empire planet that made it to 20th century equivalent in TOS. According to Memory Beta they ended up joining the Federation by the mid 24th century, which means they must have invented warp drive on their own after TOS but before TNG.
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BonHair posted:Uhura speaks Swahili in one episode (which has its own imperialist baggage, but whatever). I think it's likely both a nod to Africa being equal to Swahili's shown as her first language in several episodes, if I recall. Eg there was one where everyone heard a telepathic message: Chekov heard it in Russian, Spock in Vulcan, Uhura in Swahili, etc. I think it was more about trying to appear global than what was more acceptable. It does lead to the quirk that the first established African-American character in Star Trek wasn't actually until DS9 with Sisko. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 17:01
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 Wow early DS9 fans were really hardcore about it.
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John F Bennett posted:Just watched 'The Offspring', S3 EP16 of TNG. It's about Data becoming a father by creating Lal, an android. Lal was forced to choose a gender, male or female, to fulfill its true potential. While not a particularly good take now, the show was made like 30 years ago and at least Lal got to choose.
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You know, drydock and spacedock should be the other way around. Spacedock or the inside of Yorktown in Trek where the ship can be closed inside and worked on in an atmosphere if they need to would be a drydock. The big exposed-to-vacuum frameworks would be a wetdock. Random thought. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 17:25
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I know that Spacedock was built in a post-scarcity/post-money society, but someone on the design committee should have questioned enclosing an enormous, depressurised space.
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Jan 23, 2021 19:33
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SuperTeeJay posted:I know that Spacedock was built in a post-scarcity/post-money society, but someone on the design committee should have questioned enclosing an enormous, depressurised space. I harp on ILM's Trek designs a lot, but Spacedock is one of its most egregious. Yes, let's enclose all our ships in one giant space that can be shut down by a mysterious space burrito.
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Jan 23, 2021 19:41
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Shyrka posted:There was the Roman Empire planet that made it to 20th century equivalent in TOS. Helmsman, set course CCXXVI mark XIV, warp factor V. Engage.
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SuperTeeJay posted:I know that Spacedock was built in a post-scarcity/post-money society, but someone on the design committee should have questioned enclosing an enormous, depressurised space. I can live with it. It let's you turn your ship off and not worry about solar radiation or micrometeorites or whatever. Must make it an absolute pain if your office is on the far side of the starboard. E you also get the wonderful storytelling technique of having our heroes literally cross a threshold from safety to adventure.
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Infidelicious posted:While not a particularly good take now, the show was made like 30 years ago and at least Lal got to choose. Indeed, it was still a product of its time. The character literally said, ‘I am gender neutral, inadequate’. Thought that this was worth mentioning, in contrast to the current series. It was a very good episode, I enjoyed it. edit: it seems that if an android would become emotionally aware, it would become a huge society changing event. But it seems that the show didn't often revisit that part? In the same vein, a couple of episodes before this one, Q let Data feel what joy and laughter is for a couple of seconds. This seems to get glossed over, seems like it should be a major event for Data with some repercussions in his way of thinking. John F Bennett fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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John F Bennett posted:Indeed, it was still a product of its time. The character literally said, ‘I am gender neutral, inadequate’. Thought that this was worth mentioning, in contrast to the current series. I feel like there was at least one TOS episode where Kirk got a robot so turned on that it shorted out (WAP=Wet rear end Positronic-brain).
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Cat Hatter posted:I feel like there was at least one TOS episode where Kirk got a robot so turned on that it shorted out (WAP=Wet rear end Positronic-brain). Miiiiight have happened in What Are Little Girls Made Of? Been a while since I've done a thorough rewatch of TOS.
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SuperTeeJay posted:I know that Spacedock was built in a post-scarcity/post-money society, but someone on the design committee should have questioned enclosing an enormous, depressurised space. For all we know it was pressurised and there was just an atmospheric field over the door.
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Cat Hatter posted:I feel like there was at least one TOS episode where Kirk got a robot so turned on that it shorted out (WAP=Wet rear end Positronic-brain). You might be thinking of Requiem For Methuselah, where Kirk's insistence that Rayna (Flint's servant/companion/sexbot) choose between him and Flint caused her to short out. But one of my favorite out of context TOS scenes is from What Are Little Girls Made Of?, where Andrea asks Kirk-bot to kiss her, he refuses, and she phasers him.
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Infidelicious posted:While not a particularly good take now, the show was made like 30 years ago and at least Lal got to choose. Is it also not Lal who concludes that being, in her words, "neuter", is insufficient? Who are we to deny Lal her wish for gender expression? Like, it's definitely a missed opportunity for Troy to go, "actually, there are individuals of many species with different, or no conceptions of gender at all, humans included", but I don't remember the crew forcing the issue on Lal.
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the gazorra edit with data's horse painting but instead it's these
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MikeJF posted:Swahili's shown as her first language in several episodes, if I recall. Eg there was one where everyone heard a telepathic message: Chekov heard it in Russian, Spock in Vulcan, Uhura in Swahili, etc. Is Sisko still the only African-American main cast member? Tuvok was Vulcan, Mayweather was born in space, Burnham was from gently caress knows where but naturalized to Vulcan young enough I'll put her down as another Black Vulcan. I don't think they ever say where Raffi is from.
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John F Bennett posted:Indeed, it was still a product of its time. The character literally said, ‘I am gender neutral, inadequate’. Thought that this was worth mentioning, in contrast to the current series. They already know about Lore, who is literally Data With Feelings (And Also A Psychopath).
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Cat Hatter posted:Is Sisko still the only African-American main cast member? Tuvok was Vulcan, Mayweather was born in space, Burnham was from gently caress knows where but naturalized to Vulcan young enough I'll put her down as another Black Vulcan. I don't think they ever say where Raffi is from.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes because Geordi was apparently Somali and Uhura was from somewhere in Africa as well Sisko's dad's secret history as Admiral Cartwright would place him in the USA 
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When I wake up in the morning And the prophets give a warning And I don't think I'll ever make it on time By the time the Klingon cooks And I give myself a look I'm at my station just in time to see Defiant fly by
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes because Geordi was apparently Somali and Uhura was from somewhere in Africa as well tbf it just says he was born in Mogadishu so his parents might have just lived there. He doesn’t have a Somali name and there’s only an aside that claims he was born there.
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As I recall Geordi's parents were career Starfleet and moved around a lot on assignments, they were probably just stationed on Earth at the time.
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Honestly it does become weird once Earth is a united government. I don't want to dismiss anyone's experiences but I'm not 100% sure what you do there.
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eddington was canadian and you arent taking that away from me
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Verviticus posted:eddington was canadian and you arent taking that away from me At the very least, his family was, at some point, in the past. Though the fact that he's the only person aside from Sisko to seem to actually have some emotional connection to the Thanksgiving dinner Sisko arranged for his senior staff, given that it's pretty much only Canada and the US that celebrate the holiday (at different harvest times of autumn), it lends credence to his being one himself, too.
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Star Trek takes place after a horrific world war and whatever post-apocalyptic weirdness Q was showing. There's been a one world government for 150 years. It's a bit weird that there are even nations in Star Trek that resemble their 20th century counterparts.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Star Trek takes place after a horrific world war and whatever post-apocalyptic weirdness Q was showing. There's been a one world government for 150 years. It's a bit weird that there are even nations in Star Trek that resemble their 20th century counterparts. Wait, nuclear war...alien intervention...holy poo poo, Posadas was right!
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Star Trek takes place after a horrific world war and whatever post-apocalyptic weirdness Q was showing. There's been a one world government for 150 years. It's a bit weird that there are even nations in Star Trek that resemble their 20th century counterparts. That's about how long it's been since the Civil War and even less time than it's been since the Alamo.
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Verviticus posted:eddington was canadian and you arent taking that away from me Does he know Riker?
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Cat Hatter posted:That's about how long it's been since the Civil War and even less time than it's been since the Alamo. Check your math. Or your history. mossyfisk posted:Does he know Riker? Riker is from Alaska. Basically next door though, right?
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i can see eddington's tomatoes from my house
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But where is Thomas Riker from? Probably Las Vegas. Or maybe Branson, Missouri. Grew up watching Yakov Smirnoff holoshows on a riverboat.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Star Trek takes place after a horrific world war and whatever post-apocalyptic weirdness Q was showing. There's been a one world government for 150 years. It's a bit weird that there are even nations in Star Trek that resemble their 20th century counterparts. If you have planetary prefectures or something, they'd probably at least kind of resemble historical nation-states in a lot of cases. You're going to have a chunk of Europe directly south of Ireland/England; no reason to piss off the locals by deciding it needs to be called "Europe Zone Two" instead of "France"
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Something directly comparable might be the Heptarchy in England - Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Sussex, Wessex, Essex and Kent. Most of these are now, in various forms, counties rather than countries and are perfectly happily part of the over-nation.
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There's canonical and semi-canonical earth countries in Stae Trek when United Earth and the Federation are around In addition to the US and Canada, there's the United States of Africa/the African Confederation, there's the Mediterranean Aliance, Venezuela, the European Alliance, and the USSR.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Check your math. Or your history. The Civil War ended in 1865. 2021-1865 is 156 years. The Alamo was in 1836. 2021-1836 is 185 years. The post I quoted stated 150 years of unified Earth government, which is roughly the time span between our present and the Civil war, and noticeably less time than the 185 years it has been since the Alamo, both of which are still in public consciousness.
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