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The “pastel Q” subgroup of qanon has picked up a lot of people you wouldn’t otherwise expect to be into ultranationalist conspiracy theories, because it was introduced into woo-friendly communities that are already skeptical of the media and authority, led off with the anti-trafficking/Save the Children stuff which is about as uncontroversial as it gets as a rallying cry, and found ways to integrate Qanon lore into their pet issues, like electrosensitivity or anti-vaccination or homeschooling or natural medicine. There’s a lot of people who were slowly eased into affiliating with Qanon and still might not even know what the rest of the community actually believes because of how atomized the various subgroups are; they just know Trump represents things they like and the Democrats are his opponents
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RagnarokAngel posted:Key difference is that if you're white that can go a long way toward shielding you from the worst of discrimination. I'm trans and white, so to be clear im not saying white trans people are immune to discrimination, but I face a lot less than trans people of color.
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Lammasu posted:But Trump has instituted so many anti-trans polices. He even complained about the Supreme Court rulling that gave trans people discrimination protection. It's litterally like a black person going to a Klan rally and saying, "yeah let's get all those darkeis" So this guy: https://twitter.com/w_terrence
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One theme I’ve heard in a lot of LGBTQ people with conservative politics is some variation of “I’d rather have fewer rights and be rich than be poor with rights!” Of course, thinking this way requires you to believe: 1-That it’s a given you’d be automatically better off economically under conservative policies as opposed to progressive ones. 2- That you could hold onto your economic gains in the absence of political rights. One thing that confuses me about Qanon support among minorities is that I often hear it explained in terms of spreading among groups who “mistrust government”. But Q is the exact opposite of not trusting the government! At its beginnings wasn’t it all “The current President is going to save us from the pedo-cannibal cult so we need to let him have as much power as he wants!”
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letthereberock posted:One theme I’ve heard in a lot of LGBTQ people with conservative politics is some variation of “I’d rather have fewer rights and be rich than be poor with rights!” Yeah that sort of wink-nod approach works only until you are a big enough target or you piss off the wrong person and then whoopsie, sodomy charges.
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exmachina posted:Yeah that sort of wink-nod approach works only until you are a big enough target or you piss off the wrong person and then whoopsie, sodomy charges. maybe people who think that way just feel like they missed their calling in life, as blackmailers 
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Lammasu posted:But Trump has instituted so many anti-trans polices. He even complained about the Supreme Court rulling that gave trans people discrimination protection. It's litterally like a black person going to a Klan rally and saying, "yeah let's get all those darkeis" Like do you not understand there are minorities who think the rest of their own is just acting disgracefully and if they acted "better" (Straight, cis, white) then they'd be accepted? It's horrible but it's not that hard of a concept to grasp. It's basically stockholm syndrome.
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Guavanaut posted:Is that the same one that categorized anti-capitalism as extremism to the same degree as racist and antisemitic language and terrorism? https://twitter.com/lottelydia/status/1309757531263307776?s=21 Repeatedly declaring that all trans women are rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise: Freedom, proper British values Saying it's kinda messed up that major newspapers do that poo poo literally every day: Basically the same as blowing up a bus
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Like I can't emphasise enough how permissibility of conspiracy theories is just as socially stratified as loving everything else in the UK. Sharing a David Icke bit about how 5G masts spread covid = dreadful, undignified, Broken Britain. Using your column inches to spend years going off about how queers are trying to groom your children = basically traditional, what next, they won't let us eat pheasant anymore????
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Pretty good posted:Like I can't emphasise enough how permissibility of conspiracy theories is just as socially stratified as loving everything else in the UK. Sharing a David Icke bit about how 5G masts spread covid = dreadful, undignified, Broken Britain. Using your column inches to spend years going off about how queers are trying to groom your children = basically traditional, what next, they won't let us eat pheasant anymore???? Eh, we Americans aren't great about this either, we invented the "Dapper nazi who made racism cool again" after all
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Do you remember those chuds that broke down weeping about cfls and led lightbulbs and protested them as communism because they couldn’t get incandescent bulbs any more? Why did that insanity die out while every other folk devil and moral panic of the last 40 years got wrapped up into q?
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Presumably because incandescent bulbs never went away?
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I mean, one of the last things Trump did before losing the election was order the government to review regulations mandating low-flow toilets so that he could more effectively destroy the planet with every poo poo he takes. It’s like loving catnip for conservatives.
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hobbesmaster posted:Presumably because incandescent bulbs never went away? Really? I haven’t seen one in years, not that I’ve had to spend much time in the lightbulb aisle since they started selling leds.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Do you remember those chuds that broke down weeping about cfls and led lightbulbs and protested them as communism because they couldn’t get incandescent bulbs any more? Why did that insanity die out while every other folk devil and moral panic of the last 40 years got wrapped up into q? There are no incandescent bulb fittings still around so there's nowhere to put the bulbs if you had them.
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The Lone Badger posted:There are no incandescent bulb fittings still around so there's nowhere to put the bulbs if you had them. There are probably some out there, but I’ve been helping my sister on contracting projects for about a year and ain’t seen one. She probably has one in her shed in a forgotten box. Like how I have some ancient D&D box from 1994.
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The Lone Badger posted:There are no incandescent bulb fittings still around so there's nowhere to put the bulbs if you had them. What? https://www.homedepot.com/s/incandescent%2520light%2520bulb?NCNI-5 A19/E26 fittings are still everywhere and they take incandescents just fine. I can still buy incandescent bulbs at my local hardware store as well as the big box stores like Lowes and HD. I live in chud country though. LED's are now commonplace but there are still absolutely those who insist on incandescents. CFL's that fit A19/E26 are still easy to come by but getting less common now. I use almost nothing but LED's myself and only have a couple of incandescent bulbs that still haven't died yet because they're in closets and stuff that are very seldom used and are going on 10yr old now I think. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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History Comes Inside! posted:How can any oppressed minority support their oppressor?  Ernst Röhm, close Ally to Hitler and gay. Hitler assassinated him during the night of long knives Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Mega Comrade posted:
Röhm and Hitler were extremely close and the latter had to be convinced to purge him, basically. Really shows you how hypocritical the Nazis were at the end of the day.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Do you remember those chuds that broke down weeping about cfls and led lightbulbs and protested them as communism because they couldn’t get incandescent bulbs any more? Why did that insanity die out while every other folk devil and moral panic of the last 40 years got wrapped up into q? But really I think most of the loudest assholes quietened down when energy saving light bulbs went from looking like this  to looking like this  because (outside of the UV rays health green light conspiracy health weirds) it was always purely aesthetic and based on 'new thing look different'. But yeah you can still get industrial incandescent bulbs at most hardware stores, because they still do have fringe uses like incubators or keeping outbuildings from freezing. Vichan posted:Röhm and Hitler were extremely close and the latter had to be convinced to purge him, basically. Really shows you how hypocritical the Nazis were at the end of the day.
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In a way it's beautiful how regardless of how much of an oppressed minority you are, there are people exactly like you who are dumb idiots and think the oppressors are right and you suck, or alternatively, that you should oppress group X instead because it's clearly those guys that deserve it. Truly an experience all of humanity should be able to bond over.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Do you remember those chuds that broke down weeping about cfls and led lightbulbs and protested them as communism because they couldn’t get incandescent bulbs any more? Why did that insanity die out while every other folk devil and moral panic of the last 40 years got wrapped up into q? In the 90s the same thing happened with low flow toilets. In fact Trump brought it up a few times because his brain is stuck in that decade. Ultimately they both went away when the replacement products became as good as the originals. Both episodes are really just old school reflexively-afraid-of-change conservatism. Anyway, Texas GOP have gone full Q: https://mobile.twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1353334328181334016 Hawaii GOP has decided that Q people are just good folks and that it's based on a "kernel of fact", and that it's the media's fault and also have you heard about Peter Strozk and FISA? https://mobile.twitter.com/gophawaii/status/1353194880898453509 (This is the last tweet in a thread, read the whole thing if you like to get angry)
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Pretty good posted:Nah that was the new government-issued guidance for PSHE (personal/social/health education, basically our catch all subject for sex ed and Don't Do Drugs stuff), which as well as equating critique of capitalism with joining ISIS, also threw a bone to the I Am Being Silenced crowd that dominates the UK media landscape The idea that boomers and reactionaries have turned "not liking something they like" into a loving Moral Panic is out of control, just what the gently caress. Like it's not enough now for them to be able to spout their nonstop spigot of idiocy and abusive garbage, oh no; now YOU are WRONG if you don't want to listen to them do it or object in any way Like for fucks sake Boomers, get a loving life  HappyHippo posted:In the 90s the same thing happened with low flow toilets. In fact Trump brought it up a few times because his brain is stuck in that decade. The GOP is a terrorist organization at this point and should be treated accordingly TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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TulliusCicero posted:The GOP is a terrorist organization at this point and should be treated accordingly That's kinda downgrading them. They are literally as bad as the Nazi Party in the 30s, with the exact same actions down to a loving Putsch (a bigger one, in the literal center of the government and not some random beer hall).
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HappyHippo posted:In the 90s the same thing happened with low flow toilets. In fact Trump brought it up a few times because his brain is stuck in that decade. The Texas GOP has adopted that "we are the storm" Q messaging ever since Allen West became their carpetbagging chair. It's not new since the election or the Capitol Hill mob. I don't know why it's being portrayed like it's new, it's a choice made by the chairman. The main notable thing is that he/they haven't backed off of it, not that they have switched to it.
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Zwabu posted:The Texas GOP has adopted that "we are the storm" Q messaging ever since Allen West became their carpetbagging chair. It's not new since the election or the Capitol Hill mob. I don't know why it's being portrayed like it's new, it's a choice made by the chairman. The main notable thing is that he/they haven't backed off of it, not that they have switched to it. They never will You can never admit you are wrong in boomer/ reactionary culture. That's weakness. You have to constantly double down and down until you are a perpetual drill boring into the center of the Earth It's why they are so susceptible to this dumb poo poo: they don't critically think, ever, about anything. It's just entirely feelings and "gut reactions"
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TulliusCicero posted:
This is why Ted Cruz will never get the Trump voters. Sucking up to him after losing shows weakness. Ted's going to get primaried by Jenna Ryan and lose by a shitton of votes.
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Guavanaut posted:That probably implies that as much that people claim that every modern conspiracy is thinly reheated Protocols with the targets barely changed, Protocols itself is probably thinly reheated remnants of a previous conspiracy work with same. It's all anti-Carthaginian blood libel, which is p much the animating force of Christianity from Paul onwards. BiggerBoat posted:Not really no but I don't understand gay Republicans at all either. Some gay people actually do have inborn political instincts. Barack Obama pissed people off who were not in a position to forget they were gay again, and they will distrust the opportunist and his followers for the rest of their lives. He was supposed to be safe, he was supposed to be their guy. A more obvious example is Joy Ann Reid or the Satanic Panic AirBNB guy.
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Mega Comrade posted:
Is that a fencing scar? That's a proper nazi.
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BiggerBoat posted:Not really no but I don't understand gay Republicans at all either. Is the Log Cabin caucus even alive anymore? I wonder. Ola posted:Is that a fencing scar? That's a proper nazi. WWI marks, I believe.
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DarkCrawler posted:Is the Log Cabin caucus even alive anymore? I wonder. I think there are still Log Cabin republicans but I don’t think their wallpaper matters anymore to the party. The Arizona GOP just went masks off trying to issue a censuring of some of it’s member for supporting bad leftists things and specifically listing supporting gay marriage as one of the reasons. This was all expected and only the idiots trying to be “one of the good gays” didn’t see it coming. Anyone who doesn’t think that the GOP won’t expand from going after transpeople to all LGBTQ+ people if they get enough power is lying to themselves because they feel they have something to gain. Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Why haven't they changed their name to Stonewall Jackson.
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DarkCrawler posted:Is the Log Cabin caucus even alive anymore? I wonder. It still exists but it suffered mass defections between 2016 and 2020; a lot of the leadership quit and pretty much everyone who wasn't a rich, straight-passing white gay guy has given up on it There's a separate subset of groups like "Gays for Trump" who point to small, isolated things like Trump appointing a gay man to an ambassadorship and opposing other countries' criminalization of homosexuality as evidence that he's the best president on LGBT issues in history, while ignoring pretty much everything else he's done because again they're largely just rich, straight-passing white gay men
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Ola posted:Is that a fencing scar? That's a proper nazi. Yep, probably got it at Heidelberg or Bonn university where you'll still spot the odd young student wandering around with a fresh one.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respectability_politics?wprov=sfti1 Yeah it’s a lot of this, folks. I still deal with it personally, hell a lot of people do, but I can fully see overdosing on respectability politics leading one down a q hole. I mean I’ve used skin whitening poo poo before, which I couldn’t keep up due to my skin seemingly hating poison being rubbed on it (what a concept!), but I still deal with it psychologically, so to say. But it’s common in many many many marginalized communities and I don’t see it going away.
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Ola posted:Is that a fencing scar? That's a proper nazi. Morningwoodpecker posted:Yep, probably got it at Heidelberg or Bonn university where you'll still spot the odd young student wandering around with a fresh one. I always thought it was a fencing scar as well but apparently it's a war wound he got in Lorraine in 1914. He was wounded again in 1916 and almost died from the Spanish flu in 1918. More evidence against the concept of a loving god, I suppose. EDIT: If you look closely you can also see scars on his nose and chin.
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HappyHippo posted:In the 90s the same thing happened with low flow toilets. In fact Trump brought it up a few times because his brain is stuck in that decade. HappyHippo posted:Anyway, Texas GOP have gone full Q:
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