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DoomTrainPhD posted:I was a super sheltered straight as an arrow dork who grew up in Idaho and didn’t get high until I was 30 and even I knew what weed smelled like. And this was in CALIFORNIA?? I can see myself living a life where I never see or smell something that was identified as pot later on, and I lived my whole life in southern california. Depending on the life you live, you really have to go out of your way to find it. Now, pot has a distinct smell, but a sheltered person wouldn't know to put two and two together unless it was pointed out.
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sb hermit posted:I can see myself living a life where I never see or smell something that was identified as pot later on, and I lived my whole life in southern california. Depending on the life you live, you really have to go out of your way to find it. Sure, but then you have the taste. Even if he didn’t know what pot tasted like, as soon as he took a bite surely the taste would be WAY different than a normal brownie and he would immediately ask what the hell is in the brownie. Right? RIGHT?
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Sure, but then you have the taste. Even if he didn’t know what pot tasted like, as soon as he took a bite surely the taste would be WAY different than a normal brownie and he would immediately ask what the hell is in the brownie. Right? RIGHT? To be honest, I've never eaten or smoked pot, just smelled it. I guess the peer pressure must have gotten to him. Maybe they told him that they were vegan to throw off the suspicion. I don't know, but it's a lovely situation to be in.
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Feb 3, 2021 07:31
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maybe he was already drunk and not paying attention to the taste being weird
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Feb 3, 2021 07:33
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Maybe he’d never tasted cookie before
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Feb 3, 2021 07:37
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As a hosed up purveyor of pranks as a teen, all i can say is you'd be surprised how much weed someone will eat who doesnt know what weed tastes like
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DoomTrainPhD posted:How the gently caress do you eat a pot brownie without smelling or tasting the pot? I have a friend who is a professional baker and some of his edibles don't taste too strongly like weed. Also, was at a party where several people took lemon bars from the wrong plate and had an interesting evening
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Feb 3, 2021 09:19
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sb hermit posted:To be honest, I've never eaten or smoked pot, just smelled it. It was a deliberate deception by lovely teens, IIRC, though this was 20+ years ago so I can't recall what the excuse was. And we are definitely talking about a sheltered person scenario. That said... Shear Modulus posted:maybe he was already drunk and not paying attention to the taste being weird This is also extremely possible.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah, I made an appointment to see a therapist when I moved back to San Diego five or six years ago and I've been going to appointments at his office ever since. Bing bang so simple. I'm in OC and same here; it's been one of the best healthcare experiences that I've had. Good mental health care, sleep studies, GP stuff, etc. No issues with coverage, some wait times, but all this was during COVID, so it's not exactly unreasonable.
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mllaneza posted:And I had a Sutter doctor write a specialist to say that I was a hypochondriac and didn't need any help. YMMV with any system, both of these employ a lot of doctors and you might draw a dud, have one who makes a mistake, or you get the guy who says "I have better drugs than <doctor I saw three days ago> does." The surgeon that did my knee turned down a job at Kaiser because yearly bonuses were based on the amount of left over money. It created an active disincentive to treat that he found unethical and not doing right by his patients. It also wasn't just one doc or experience, it's the entire system. I tried 3 kaiser docs with me knee. It was buckling out from underneath daily, and would often swell up bad enough I couldn't walk for a few days. I was told that it's just a sprain and I need to let it heal. I told them I had no pain (a symptom of a PCL tear) and kaiser told me that can't be. They said it wasn't collapsing because it's unstable, but probably because It hurts and I don't notice and I'm just reacting to the pain. droll posted:You got a Kaiser therapist? I was initially told to come in to talk to someone in a Kaiser building, got told my drinking was OK and sent on my way. Asked again a couple years later and was given 'approval' to just start reaching out to random therapists I could find on the internet and find out if they accepted this other insurance company that Kaiser was somehow 'sub insuring' through? Kaiser > other insurance > find your own therapist. It went spectacularly well calling 50 therapists and getting zero calls back. eSporks fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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Kestral posted:Your guess is as good as mine, though given the time and place, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd simply never encountered it before. Weed was not a thing in our circles until he started hanging out with that crowd. Ahem. Cannabis terpenes burn off at around 280F. So you can feasibly make brownies that have zero weed taste. Especially with a distillation method of extracting the THC. You literally can make. Chocolates or brownies that taste completely the same a normal ones. Yet will gently caress you up. Good for customers with a bad gag reflex.
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FWIW, my old boss is a Kaiser ER physician assistant, and also and anti-masker.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:14
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IME 100% of incidents involving unintentional use of edibles start with the person being pretty drunk already.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:14
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Vaccine chat: Those of you who have elderly relatives and friends who are waiting and waiting for Kaiser to get their poo poo together wrt vaccine administration—have them register at Sutter Health. They are accepting anyone who registers. Once an account is made, you’ll have access to vaccination sites and times available nearby. Did this for my mom, and I’m driving out to Sacramento on Friday so I can take her to get her first shot. Yay!
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Feb 3, 2021 18:52
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Why are you guys trying to victim blame so hard. Who cares why he didn't notice? His life was destroyed.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:59
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I've had wipe you the gently caress out weed butter brownies at some party at CalPoly SLO in the early 90's that you absolutely could not taste any pot. They put a giant bag of shake into a huge stock pot and boiled it - then threw in like 4 lbs of butter and let the THC accumulate in the butter layer on top as it cooled and skimmed it off to make the brownies. Everyone at the party knew what they were though.  Kaiser's business model (and I'm sure everyone else) is to pay out misdiagnosis claims as fast as possible and get those NDA's signed. It's cheaper than fixing the underlying processes that lead to misdiagnosis aka "the Ford Pinto model". 
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Feb 3, 2021 19:03
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Wasn't it the founder of Kaiser that went to Nixon and came up with the whole notion of "don't give the masses healthcare, give them insurance!" ?
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Feb 3, 2021 19:12
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punchbuggy posted:Vaccine chat: My grandmother called me yesterday with the same news, lol. She gets hers tomorrow, at a clinic by Costco on Expo Boulevard. She said they're only doing 75+ right now.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:28
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Tayter Swift posted:My grandmother called me yesterday with the same news, lol. She gets hers tomorrow, at a clinic by Costco on Expo Boulevard. The Japanese grandmas are all on the same wavelength! Taking my mom to the site in Roseville. Gotta keep our obaa-chans safe.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:41
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droll posted:Wasn't it the founder of Kaiser that went to Nixon and came up with the whole notion of "don't give the masses healthcare, give them insurance!" ? When I want advice on how to distribute medical treatment, I turn to a cement and shipbuilding kingpin.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:42
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Probably should've sued the people who poisoned him.
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droll posted:Wasn't it the founder of Kaiser that went to Nixon and came up with the whole notion of "don't give the masses healthcare, give them insurance!" ? Yup. From the Nixon tapes for anyone who hasn't seen it: quote:John D. Ehrlichman: “On the … on the health business …” Healthcare working as designed.
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Feb 3, 2021 20:26
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punchbuggy posted:The Japanese grandmas are all on the same wavelength! Taking my mom to the site in Roseville. Gotta keep our obaa-chans safe. I swear their telephone network works at light speed. She can't wait to have lunch with her girlfriends at Mikuni's again. Right now she's picking up sushi from some place near Fair Oaks and bringing it around, but of course can't eat it with them.
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Kaiser sucks but it's also the best american (physical) healthcare for us mere mortal plebs that don't have lots of money. Very low-maximums, no surprises, it's all been extremely by-the-books, $10-$50 co-pay. No surprise "ta-da actually we decided not to cover that now owe pay us $50,000" that Blue Shield and other garbage places do. It's by far the least stressful HC on the "cheap" (lol). The one trick to Kaiser is you really really need to be your own advocate and if your a meek pushover often you'll just be told to drink some green tea and exercise, also here's a prescription for ibuprofen, which is really stupid but also that's the system so do be forceful. Also its easy to swap GC so don't feel bad about just swapping around if someone sucks. I've got a younger australian-immigrant doctor and she rules, i've never had one before who was actually that thorough. mental side is very god-awful though
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Xaris posted:Kaiser sucks but it's also the best american (physical) healthcare for us mere mortal plebs that don't have lots of money. Very low-maximums, no surprises, it's all been extremely by-the-books, $10-$50 co-pay. No surprise "ta-da actually we decided not to cover that now owe pay us $50,000" that Blue Shield and other garbage places do. It's by far the least stressful HC on the "cheap" (lol). The one trick to Kaiser is you really really need to be your own advocate and if your a meek pushover often you'll just be told to drink some green tea and exercise, also here's a prescription for ibuprofen, which is really stupid but also that's the system so do be forceful. Also its easy to swap GC so don't feel bad about just swapping around if someone sucks. I've got a younger australian-immigrant doctor and she rules, i've never had one before who was actually that thorough. There are examples of kaiser doing the " actually we dont cover now pay", one of them eve in the thread!
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My kaiser bills were also incredibly confusing and not straight forward at all. I was often asked to pay more than co-pay and never understood why. There is no human element in their system that can explain a bill to you either. Hours of waiting on hold just to speak with someone that tells you your bill is available online and they can transfer you to a different department if you'd like. When I went in for what I thought I was a single psych eval visit, I ended up seeing 3 different people that day and found out each one was considered its own visit and billed individually. Most of these visits were no more than 10 minute and mostly involved me answering a questionnaire. I tried addressing these issues head on as well, by asking the check in clerk "When I swipe my debit card for this co-pay, is that the only fee for today's visit?" just to get BS answers like "I can't answer that, thats a question for the billing department" Having insurance, billing, and care under one roof is supposed to make the process more convenient so things like this don't happen, but they still do. The blanket statements made in defense of Kaiser in this thread are demonstrably false.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:49
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Here's a thought: insurance companies are inherently bad, like cops, and need to be destroyed, like American policing. Universal healthcare for all.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:53
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Thanks for the tip about Sutter, I got my grandmother booked for tomorrow.
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Feb 3, 2021 22:04
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FilthyImp posted:Diane Feinstein has a massive stroke and turns to jelly in front of a CSPAN audience. Newsom is godawful but he's still a huge upgrade over Feinstein, which is as sad as it sounds.
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https://twitter.com/JeremyBWhite/status/1357065679921242112 Well at least this isn't happening.
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CPColin posted:No that just make a bigger fire! to know how to fight the fire u have to become the fire
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I don't know how this recall stuff works. Is newsom actually going to be recalled? is it just 'x people have to sign a thing' or does california get a 'recall newsom or do not recall him' vote, or what? Are all of the people running for 2022 republicans, or are there some left-leaning candidates? Surely CA will elect another democratic politician?
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redreader posted:I don't know how this recall stuff works. Is newsom actually going to be recalled? is it just 'x people have to sign a thing' or does california get a 'recall newsom or do not recall him' vote, or what? I believe it will result in a special recall election, with a list of candidates that applied to be on the ballot: CopperHound posted:Okay, I looked up the top two primary act. It doesn't apply to governor. The reason it could result in a Republican governor is that it is a special election, so it will have extremely low turnout (which basically always favors Republicans), and the jungle primary system doesn't apply, so whoever gets the most votes wins. If there were a recognizable name among the enormous list, say, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, they would probably get the most votes simply because people searching the ballot for someone they know anything about will pick them. Far more likely than anyone left of Newsom winning. However, voters could still vote against the recall even if the petition gets enough signatures.
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redreader posted:I don't know how this recall stuff works. Is newsom actually going to be recalled? is it just 'x people have to sign a thing' or does california get a 'recall newsom or do not recall him' vote, or what? Step one is that the ones leading the recall effort need to collect signatures amounting to 12% of the amount of votes cast in the previous election. Once they have that the signatures have to be certified the same way it works for props. If enough signatures are collected, it triggers a recall. Step two is the recall election, to which there are two components. The first is a simple "Do you think Gavin Newsom should be recalled?" vote, which is a simple yes/no. This needs a simple majority to pass, if it does not then Newsom stays in power. The second question is "If the governor is recalled, who do you vote to replace them?" which lists all candidates who have thrown their hat in the ring. Newsom cannot himself be on this list. So you could vote "No I do not think Gavbot should be recalled" and "But if he is recalled then I want another Moonbeam term" in the same election.
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We had a baby with Kaiser and we definitely got a surprise bill. We asked to pay everything we owed when we left and that was $700 but then we got an additional bill for like $1500 more mailed to us. Apparently when your employer pays $10,000 a year for your health insurance having a baby in America still cost more than two grand. Oh by the way if you have Kaiser don’t have kids. Having 1 child raises my health insurance about $350 a month. That’s all coming out of my pocket so I’m gonna be paying about 3 to 4 grand a year for the next 26 years. It’s just $100,000.
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spunkshui posted:Apparently when your employer pays $10,000 a year for your health insurance having a baby in America still cost more than two grand. For Kaiser my employer pays $13,200 a year and I pay an additional $1200 premium, for me + partner no kids. That's before the copays.
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droll posted:For Kaiser my employer pays $13,200 a year and I pay an additional $1200 premium, for me + partner no kids. That's before the copays. The best part is when its the cheapest option.
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The amount of COVID cases in our state right now is loving insane. ER’s at hospitals are so full they’re literally treating people in parking lots. Some of them are acknowledging wait times of 2-3 days just to be seen. My brother got COVID out of state, and just listening to him recount the multiple, horrid symptoms has me reluctant to even pursue gig work like Uber and DoorDash for some extra cash. I’m lucky enough to have insurance, but I just don’t want to risk loving dying. Now we’re getting rid of lockdowns and curfews for our tech overlords!
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Here's a thought: insurance companies are inherently bad, like cops, and need to be destroyed, like American policing. Universal healthcare for all. 
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DanteDevils posted:The amount of COVID cases in our state right now is loving insane. ER’s at hospitals are so full they’re literally treating people in parking lots. Some of them are acknowledging wait times of 2-3 days just to be seen. My brother got COVID out of state, and just listening to him recount the multiple, horrid symptoms has me reluctant to even pursue gig work like Uber and DoorDash for some extra cash. I’m lucky enough to have insurance, but I just don’t want to risk loving dying. Now we’re getting rid of lockdowns and curfews for our tech overlords! Sounds like we should opener up!
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