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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:"Q-Anoner? I hardly know her!" McCarthy is just fabulously incompetent. Imagine: 1. failing to do anything about MTG which looks awful 2. acquiescing to a vote of no confidence for Cheney from the loons 3. agreeing to make it a secret ballot so no one was on the record 4. getting bodied in that too this guy has the political instincts of Elizabeth Warren without the intelligence and competence.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I mean, sure, Russia Today is bad, but what about [fill in the blank with other news organization] The point is moreso that there does not exist a major news organization without blind spots and ulterior motives, and your goal should be to identify those motives & blind spots instead of just blanket stating "bad source, never trust anything" because good pundits, commentators, and journalists often find themselves resorting to these niche orgs when frozen out of other platforms. Like, Matthew Yglesias gets posted in this thread. The idea of some organizations and pundits having narrow bands of useful contributions should not be a controversial statement.
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Feb 4, 2021 15:51
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Kalit posted:The reason why Navalny was brought up because a pro-Putin journalist was criticizing him. That was why people were questioning that journalist's integrity. So while that might not be your position, Putin is relevant to the context of why Navalny was brought up. I said "don't back anyone you wouldn't back in your own country". I should bloody hope that people realise that isn't backing Putin but apparently people seem worse than I am for thinking in stark authoritative ways.
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Feb 4, 2021 15:52
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Neurolimal posted:The point is moreso that there does not exist a major news organization without blind spots and ulterior motives, and your goal should be to identify those motives & blind spots instead of just blanket stating "bad source, never trust anything" because good pundits, commentators, and journalists often find themselves resorting to these niche orgs when frozen out of other platforms. What should we trust that comes out of Putins mouthpiece though? Anything RT says is true can be found easily in multiple other outlets that aren't run by a mafia anti-democratic state.
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Feb 4, 2021 15:53
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Thom12255 posted:I don't get why AOC is starting to get more and more hate here when she is merely trying to get stuff done that is possible instead of screaming about all the stuff she wants and alienating everyone she works with like someone with no power on twitter feels free to do. Because that is what a lot of people want, in response to the bolded portion. People are suffering and applying a sticking plaster and saying "that's the best I can do" makes some people more incensed than telling them to gently caress off and die. I don't fully understand it myself, but an awful lot of people are just burnt out and angry and any hint towards "we need to moderate our message" fundamentally doesn't appeal.
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Feb 4, 2021 15:56
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Thom12255 posted:What should we trust that comes out of Putins mouthpiece though? Should we formally ban posting links from the BBC? Should Al-Jazeera links be probatable even when they are often the largest source for news on important middle-eastern conflicts? No poo poo, RT is going to be heavily propagandized when it comes to Russia. Do not trust Russia Today on russian affairs.
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FizFashizzle posted:McCarthy is just fabulously incompetent. Its like witnessing Buchanan thinking that he can just refuse to take a stand on slavery and keep the union together real time.
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Feb 4, 2021 16:00
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If McCarthy claims to have never heard of QAnon or related conspiracy theories, then what was he having a conversation with Greene about?
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Feb 4, 2021 16:01
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Neurolimal posted:Should we formally ban posting links from the BBC? Should Al-Jazeera links be probatable even when they are often the largest source for news on important middle-eastern conflicts? It's important to be aware of the positions and biases of all media one consumes, and all sources have one, but the BBC is not remotely in the same league as RT. RT is loving TASS. e: didn't realize TASS was still around, so TASS remains TASS. RT is Fox News. zoux fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Feb 4, 2021 16:01
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zoux posted:It's important to be aware of the positions and biases of all media one consumes, and all sources have one, but the BBC is not remotely in the same league as RT. BBC has been pretty heinous for a while, with the rot starting around Cameron. It may as well be an official tory platform.
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Feb 4, 2021 16:04
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Last Chance posted:Absolutely not. Chris Hedges is fine. He is entirely accurate when he describes the dying empire we inhabit.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:FYI: The random Twitter guy who declared Bernie's FP advisor a "Russia Hawk" was doing so on the basis of Duss saying that Russia's elections aren't fair, Putin is interning and discriminating against gays and Muslims, and that the invasion of Ukraine was supported by Russia. That is a pretty wild definition for "Russia Hawk." On further review this is correct and I was wrong to take that tweet at face value. The only cringey thing that's come from Duss is his eagerness to tie Navahaly to Bernie Sanders for some reason, the rest of it seems to be a general "rooting out sources of international corruption will naturally get rid of putin's power base" that seems fairly anodyne for a liberal.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If McCarthy claims to have never heard of QAnon or related conspiracy theories, then what was he having a conversation with Greene about? Probably being converted to it.
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Thom12255 posted:Anything RT says is true can be found easily in multiple other outlets that aren't run by a mafia anti-democratic state. Without getting into the specifics because that's apparently sensitive for USPOL: how many other major outlets have let Tara Reade write an opinion piece?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If McCarthy claims to have never heard of QAnon or related conspiracy theories, then what was he having a conversation with Greene about? The Super Bowl.
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zoux posted:It's important to be aware of the positions and biases of all media one consumes, and all sources have one, but the BBC is not remotely in the same league as RT. RT is loving TASS. There's an additional especially pernicious factor that needs to be taken into account when talking about Fox News and Russia Today and similar media -- media networks which have an ongoing, organized, consistent propagandistic bias by design. One thing cognitive science has figured out in the past few decades is that the human brain is really, really bad at remembering the *source* of information when you recall it later. It's just "thing you heard." If you listen to a lot of propaganda media, what happens over time is you keep recalling "things you heard" that were actually propagandistic lies, and you don't remember they came from Russia Today or Fox News. So over time all that propaganda just becomes "knowledge" in your head, even if when you first heard it you were actively suspicious of the source. Doesn't matter, it colonizes your mind anyway. The only real defense is to not listen to it at all.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's an additional especially pernicious factor that needs to be taken into account when talking about Fox News and Russia Today and similar media -- media networks which have an ongoing, organized, consistent propagandistic bias by design. That's one way to never expose yourself to Tara Reade's opinion piece, yes. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FizFashizzle posted:McCarthy is just fabulously incompetent. Its like witnessing Buchanan thinking that he can just refuse to take a stand on slavery and keep the union together real time.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If McCarthy claims to have never heard of QAnon or related conspiracy theories, then what was he having a conversation with Greene about? Causality is fake news
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Thom12255 posted:I don't get why AOC is starting to get more and more hate here when she is merely trying to get stuff done that is possible instead of screaming about all the stuff she wants and alienating everyone she works with like someone with no power on twitter feels free to do. Internet discourse is toxic, and for some people, the toxicity is the point. They liked her better when she was being stonewalled and not taken seriously, because then she could act as their Mary Sue.
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Don’t post RT, it’s all lies and Russian propaganda! The Russian propaganda: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514415-tara-reade-aoc-sexual-assault/amp/ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Insanite posted:Chris Hedges is fine. He is entirely accurate when he describes the dying empire we inhabit. Whatever good Chris Hedges does is outdone by the bullshit Caleb Maupin spews.
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Nobody ever got more people listening to their podcast by talking about how everybody should be patient because those in power were doing at a great job at achieving slow, incremental positive change.
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Neurolimal posted:The point is moreso that there does not exist a major news organization without blind spots and ulterior motives, and your goal should be to identify those motives & blind spots instead of just blanket stating "bad source, never trust anything" because good pundits, commentators, and journalists often find themselves resorting to these niche orgs when frozen out of other platforms. https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=20 There is literally no point in posting anything from a known propaganda network as they exist to muddle the waters between truth and lie. If someone is "frozen out" of other platforms it might just be because they suck and/or are pushing an ideology rather than a sign that there's some grand conspiracy to suppress the truth. When looking at any source people need to ask these questions: Who created this? Was it a company? Was it an individual? (If so, who?) Was it a comedian? Was it an artist? Was it an anonymous source? Why do you think that? Why did they make it? Was it to inform you of something that happened in the world (for example, a news story)? Was it to change your mind or behavior (an opinion essay or a how-to)? Was it to make you laugh (a funny meme)? Was it to get you to buy something (an ad)? Why do you think that? Who is the message for? People who share a particular interest? Why do you think that? What techniques are being used to make this message credible or believable? Does it have statistics from a reputable source? Does it contain quotes from a subject expert? Does it have an authoritative-sounding voice-over? Is there direct evidence of the assertions its making? Why do you think that? What details were left out, and why? Is the information balanced with different views -- or does it present only one side? Do you need more information to fully understand the message? Why do you think that? How did the message make you feel? Do you think others might feel the same way? Would everyone feel the same, or would certain people disagree with you? Why do you think that? axeil fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:If McCarthy claims to have never heard of QAnon or related conspiracy theories, then what was he having a conversation with Greene about? Cross fit
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axeil posted:https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=20 Which of those is Reade?
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Harold Fjord posted:Which of those is Reade? I'm not falling into your trap
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Gonna go ahead and repeat what GJB said last nightGreyjoyBastard posted:hello we are not doing tara reade chat here
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Thumposaurus posted:Cross fit All of a sudden McCarthy has essential oils all over his office.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Nobody ever got more people listening to their podcast by talking about how everybody should be patient because those in power were doing at a great job at achieving slow, incremental positive change. Pod Save America seems to be doing great.
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Basically if you think that the state outlet of an autocratic, illiberal regime is making a lot of good points, might want to examine what the goals of that autocratic, illiberal regime are. https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1357343704332128264 Strange a doin's transpirin' of late.
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TheDoublePivot posted:Don’t post RT, it’s all lies and Russian propaganda! lol what is this probe. you can't even point out that RT does in fact publish things other networks don't because it's "reade chat". amazing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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RT is a biased and unreliable source, far more so than most major outlets, but it doesn't mean they're completely useless as a source. The bias actually often makes them useful because they will touch news that makes the US look bad that other outlets won't, but sometimes they just look like OANN.
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Insanite posted:That's one way to never expose yourself to Tara Reade's opinion piece, yes. One standard tactic of Russian media going back decades is to latch on to American cause célèbres to give a patina of respectability to the rest of their propaganda (see, e.g., Mohammed Ali's meeting with Brezhnev. Even a stopped clock will be right twice a day, even more if someone is carefully moving the hands every so often to make sure the clock is accurate sometimes. That doesn't mean the clock is reliable, trustworthy, or something you should generally pay attention to.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Gonna go ahead and repeat what GJB said last night What about mentions of Tara Reade that have little to do with litigating whether or not Biden is a rapist, and moreso the fact that RT has given an article to a sympathetic figure frozen out of major american discussion? Should such an article be discounted and its author discredited for utilizing a platform willing to give them a voice? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Can't talk about a huge issue of uspol in uspol because it's not fair to the posters who just can't resist the urge to claim a woman is lying about her sexual assault. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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zoux posted:Basically if you think that the state outlet of an autocratic, illiberal regime is making a lot of good points, might want to examine what the goals of that autocratic, illiberal regime are. This is already a part of the COVID stimulus bill. Romney's proposal is to make it permanent, a smaller benefit, and for people to qualify 4 months before a baby is born. Still, a generally good plan. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Aside from Reade, I feel like the Bolivian coup last year was a great example of the agenda of US based news sources.
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Neurolimal posted:What about mentions of Tara Reade that have little to do with litigating whether or not Biden is a rapist, and moreso the fact that RT has given an article to a sympathetic figure frozen out of major american discussion? No. Because this thread has demonstrated countless times that you cannot mention her name without it turning into a poo poo show. If you can't make your point about RT without needing to resort to her op-ed, then don't bother posting about it.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Its like witnessing Buchanan thinking that he can just refuse to take a stand on slavery and keep the union together real time.
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