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I think the Zeon mobile suits being unstoppable works better in the manga because it comes after the Gundam has been shown chewing through the best that Zeon has to offer.
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Ethiser posted:I think the Zeon mobile suits being unstoppable works better in the manga because it comes after the Gundam has been shown chewing through the best that Zeon has to offer. And I've read the manga, and he's not kidding about chewing. The Gundam is loving terrifying in The Origin. Hell, GMs are terrifying in The Origin.
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Mar 16, 2021 18:46
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I actually really like the fight on the moon in Origin. It's a one sided slaughter and it's not treated as anything else. A loong way back I said that Gundam fights tend to fall into two categories: brief flashes of intense violence or drawn out fights that get bogged down in spectacle, and I'm much more partial to the former. It might not make for the flashiest action scenes but from a narrative level it works incredibly well to emphasize the threat mobile suits pose and just how deadly combat is between aces and raw recruits. The battle of Loum from episode 1 is a high octane introduction of the Zaku but the clash at Loum in episode 5 and 6 is incredibly sobering because it follows up on that initial burst of violence and then falls into a prolonged, grinding massacre where your elation from the big fight fades away and you're left numb watching hundreds of thousands of helpless people just get butchered while Dozle tries to rationalize his role in mass murder.
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Fivemarks posted:
Yeah, in the manga that scene's a bit different. The guy who grabs his shoulder claims he's a precog who can see people's futures with a touch... Which means he sees that he's palling around with a serial killer who doesn't hesitate to dispatch anyone who finds out his secrets. Makes his freakout a little more understandable.
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Mar 16, 2021 22:51
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I want more char glorification. It makes the end of his character being "I wanted my underaged girlfriend to also be my mom" even funnier
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Mar 16, 2021 22:56
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Char being an actual dude who looked just like Casval will never stop being a hilarious twist
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The United States posted:Char being an actual dude who looked just like Casval will never stop being a hilarious twist Casval you rat! You weren't swapping our clothes to evade your pursuers! You were stealing my identity so you could give me the ol' spicy transport shuttle! How could you give your own doppelganger the spicy transport shuttle?
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The United States posted:Char being an actual dude who looked just like Casval will never stop being a hilarious twist
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Mar 17, 2021 00:40
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Nessus posted:Were they really that identical? I thought that was Char's whole excuse for his Spock helmet; "to hide my gruesome scars" (and also that my eyes are the wrong color and so is my entire upper face) They had different eye colors but at least as drawn were remarkably similar looking. Different voices in the animated version I think though.
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Mar 17, 2021 01:43
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ImpAtom posted:They had different eye colors but at least as drawn were remarkably similar looking. Different voices in the animated version I think though. The Japanese cast turned this into a real good joke - while Casval was voiced by Ikeda as normal, Original Char was voiced by Toshihiko Seki, who has long since voiced Char-alikes(he's Rau from SEED, as an example) and is occasionally pulled in to voice Char himself when Ikeda is unavailable(they did this for one of the Build Fighters Battlogue episodes).
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Mar 17, 2021 02:08
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As someone who got into Gundam with the Origin OVAs and knowing nothing besides Char Azanable being a thing through cultural osmosis it was really neat trying to guess who would be relevant past then. My biggest fuckup was assuming Sayla was an well-done OVA-exclusive character right up until the ending summary of what happens to everyone. That said, it made Mirei’s cameo appearance kinda hilarious as a newcomer, cause everyone else has designs that make relatively smooth transitions to modern anime and then it couldn’t be any more obvious even knowing Jack poo poo about gundam that she’s a relevant character from the main stuff cause her design is so oldschool compared to everyone else.
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The best thing about Mirai is the time she saw her arranged fiancé on a shuttle and waved to him but the animation made it look like she was flipping him off. I find the ending of The Origin OVAs really weak because it felt like yet another half assed attempt by Bandai and Sunrise to make 0079 relevant to international audiences again rather than just remaking the drat show already. "You've watched the epic backstory! Now here's a list of people who become relevant in a show that came out 40 years ago and was animated on construction paper!" Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:The best thing about Mirai is the time she saw her arranged fiancé on a shuttle and waved to him but the animation made it look like she was flipping him off. I mean I can't say I wouldn't watch the hell out of The Origin Full Version but at the same time I'd rather they do it full-assed rather than make it shinier but less well crafted.
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Mar 17, 2021 02:39
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the origin six should have adopted episode 1&2 of first gundam.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:If you think about the Origin as a story told by Char, then I think the bias the story shows makes a bit more sense. Still a very pretty thing, but Char having not a single person who can really challenge him kinda dulls a lot of the conflicts. Yeah I imagine fightwise, Char probably just had it easy for a while before Amuro decided to end that man's whole career.
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Stairmaster posted:the origin six should have adopted episode 1&2 of first gundam. I'd hope Sunrise has enough respect for the franchise to not desecrate it with their horrible CGI
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Mar 17, 2021 06:34
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I thought the Origin CGI was alright. Some of the 2D 3D composite shots weren't great but overall it was fine and there's a lot worse out there.
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I don't care I loving hate CGI, it looks gross and ruins nearly everything I love about Mecha anime
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I thought the 3d in origin was perfectly adequate. I would've preferred a 2d approach than what they ended up doing, but it wasn't bad. I think the worst thing about the 3d is having it juxtaposed against the fairly expressive 2d animation they used, which I thought was very good
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ninjewtsu posted:I thought the 3d in origin was perfectly adequate. I would've preferred a 2d approach than what they ended up doing, but it wasn't bad. I hate how weightless everything feels, I hate the lack of battle damage, I hate how the frame rate doesn't match the background, and I hate that we've just come to accept a low quality product instead of something beautiful and creative. You can give Trad animation a lot of poo poo but it let the artists express themselves and show their works in ways that CGI never will. Arcsquad12 posted:Does the Unicorn transformation bother you as well?
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ninjewtsu posted:I thought the 3d in origin was perfectly adequate. I would've preferred a 2d approach than what they ended up doing, but it wasn't bad. I think 2d and 3d animation can both be done well but having both in the same shot always looks awful. Gaius Marius posted:I hate how weightless everything feels, I hate the lack of battle damage, I hate how the frame rate doesn't match the background, and I hate that we've just come to accept a low quality product instead of something beautiful and creative. You can give Trad animation a lot of poo poo but it let the artists express themselves and show their works in ways that CGI never will. I mean, there are things you can do in CG that would be incredibly difficult with trad animation. The problem with a lot (though not all) cg anime is that the cg is used as a cost-cutting method rather than a creative choice, and of course it's gonna look bad then.
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Mar 17, 2021 08:29
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Origin looks great and has an excellent feel for its stuff that conveys a lot about how mobile suits change the scale and feel of combat.
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Droyer posted:I think 2d and 3d animation can both be done well but having both in the same shot always looks awful. I've seen a few shots that were fine, but that's kind of a high water mark for these things. IBO's mix of usually-CG ships and hand drawn mechs was one of the less offensive mixes, I thought, especially because the ships got hand drawn for impact scenes.
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Seeing the CG ships in IBO usually took me out, but it wasn't that bad. When they try and have a ten ton humanoid flipping around like a gymanast that's when my brain starts fully rejecting the premise on screen
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Gaius Marius posted:Seeing the CG ships in IBO usually took me out, but it wasn't that bad. When they try and have a ten ton humanoid flipping around like a gymanast that's when my brain starts fully rejecting the premise on screen  That is definitely something that is only a problem with 3D/CG animation in particular, and not something that has ever happened in hand-drawn 2D animation.
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Correct, as dumb as heavy arms triple turn is the mech clearly reacted with weight. Compare to https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/18107 Where it looks like they glide around on top of the scenery
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Gaius Marius posted:Correct, as dumb as heavy arms triple turn is the mech clearly reacted with weight. I don't really understand what you're trying to prove in this shot of some robots floating in a literally weightless environment?
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Droyer posted:I don't really understand what you're trying to prove in this shot of some robots floating in a literally weightless environment? I'm just impressed that Gaius got a cel animation scene literally demonstration the exact complaint given about CG and responded to it with "No, but it's good there, because it's not CG."
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Generally CG caps out at "it's fine" for me. Like, the CG scenes in The Origin are made for me by the musical score, not the art. I can't really think of any CG animation where I was like, "Wow this slaps." On the other hand, I could watch CCA's fight between Nu Gundam and Sazabi over and over again. There's little touches in there that just make me appreciate what they did even on my nth viewing. (The beam sabers changing intensity when they aren't actively swinging at each other to conserve power is something I've only seen done in CCA.) I also think trad looks crisper in most side-by-side comparisons. I don't like that my passively-watched cartoon looks like a video game.
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Ever since I made the joke yesterday somewhere else, I haven't been able to get the idea of an Adam Curtis documentary on the history of the Universal Century. Or any other Gundam timeline. "This is a story about people who thought they could shape future." "Zeon Zum Deikum had an idea: that by living in space, people would adapt and change into a new type of humanity. And that this would lead to a world without conflict. However, something strange happened..."
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Yo, what are people’s opinions of Build Divers? Last proper Gundam I watched was IBO, loved season one but kind of fizzled out on the second one. I Ioved Build Fighters, but Build Divers looks very different- a bit too SAO at first glance - and although I’ve heard very good things about ReRise I don’t hear much about the original Build Divers. Is ReRise worth muddling through the first series? I absolutely love all the 00 Gundam variations on the wiki, for what it’s worth.
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Shazaminator posted:Yo, what are people’s opinions of Build Divers? Last proper Gundam I watched was IBO, loved season one but kind of fizzled out on the second one. I Ioved Build Fighters, but Build Divers looks very different- a bit too SAO at first glance - and although I’ve heard very good things about ReRise I don’t hear much about the original Build Divers. Is ReRise worth muddling through the first series? I absolutely love all the 00 Gundam variations on the wiki, for what it’s worth. Build Divers has some fun characters and some good stand-alone episodes but the main plot is is absolutely awful. ReRise is cool though and I don't think you like, need to watch Divers for context, though you will ofc. miss some of the references.
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Droyer posted:Build Divers has some fun characters and some good stand-alone episodes but the main plot is is absolutely awful. ReRise is cool though and I don't think you like, need to watch Divers for context, though you will ofc. miss some of the references. I'll second this, I fell off Build Divers about halfway through, it was just so bad and bland, but ReRise is absolutely great.
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I think Re:Rise did a decent job of recapping what was needed from Build Divers (though fairly late in the series), but there'll just be characters making cameos that you won't know. Probably a ~10 recap of Build Divers (and watching episode 15 of Build Divers for funsies) first would get you everything.
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Shazaminator posted:Is ReRise worth muddling through the first series? No. All you need to know from Divers going into ReRise is that there is a Gundam VRMMO where people scan in their Gunpla to fight against other players and that recently there was a crisis where the game accidentally spawned an AI that was sucking up memory and crashing the game, so there was a big fight about whether to delete her or not before the entire issue was solved by downloading her off the servers into a gunpla. There, saved you 12 hours of cripplingly boring mediocrity. Now you're free to watch ReRise, a much better show.
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Droyer posted:Build Divers has some fun characters and some good stand-alone episodes but the main plot is is absolutely awful. ReRise is cool though and I don't think you like, need to watch Divers for context, though you will ofc. miss some of the references. There's a few decent stand-alone episodes buried in there, but nothing essential. I'll second watching episode 15 because it's maybe the best one, although I kinda like 7 and 16 as well (these being the only times the team does a mission as a team without the plot intruding, coincidence?).
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