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swimsuit posted:maybe if you arrange all of this information in a misspelling of the word "trump" they will understand, op Lmao and people wonder why people don't like trump thread regulars.
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Dustcat posted:fair, but although nixon's intent was to crack down on hippies, guess what it immediately turned into pretty sure he mentioned "the blacks" on the tapes, the black panthers was active and hyped at the time.
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Hairy Marionette posted:Perhaps, but under the control of China people felt the need to set themselves on fire.
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fanfic insert posted:pretty sure he mentioned "the blacks" on the tapes ok?
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Gringostar posted:honestly we should be skeptical of any media narrative that any state is pushing and instead try to find out what’s actually happening through the use of independent journalism or at least try to find as unbiased sources as possible prior to accepting anything as fact as a US citizen i have every reason to focus on my state above all else as the classic chomsky quote goes “My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences. It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century.” i see no need to draw an equivalence between us and china, because frankly there isn’t one, and even if there was, it would be the least convincing thing to do: throwing stones from this hosed up american glass house
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 01:49 |
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I made the edit to late, but he mentions them because of the black panther party is my take, like it wasnt purely racist motive to mention "the blacks", it was them as a political block of power that was the motivation.
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 01:50 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:how do we define mainstream Islam Holy gently caress that’s an embarrassing mistake. My apologies. It’s interesting that Google brings up that image as a Tibetan monk. It’s the first result for Tibetan Monk on fire, which is a real phenomenon. This is a good example of anti-Chinese propaganda. It’s the most famous photo of a Buddhist monk setting himself on fire, so of course it is all over the information about Tibetan Buddhists.
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that was such a bad mistake i actually feel bad for you
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Hairy Marionette posted:Holy gently caress that’s an embarrassing mistake. My apologies. It’s interesting that Google brings up that image as a Tibetan monk. It’s the first result for Tibetan Monk on fire, which is a real phenomenon. This is a good example of anti-Chinese propaganda. It’s the most famous photo of a Buddhist monk setting himself on fire, so of course it is all over the information about Tibetan Buddhists. That you didn't recognize that picture at all is kinda weird, it's pretty famous
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 01:51 |
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fanfic insert posted:Okay so youve done some googling now that you scrolled past my post. I haven't 'done some googling', I live here dude. I have first hand experience with these things, so does my fiancee, her family, everyone I know. Things may be 'enshrined in law' but there is next to no real action, not in any way that actually benefits Chinese people. If anything, shits been getting worse lately. I don't know what you're projecting onto me here, I never did (or would) say 'the US is somehow better', although that's how it always goes, isn't it? You get people unable to talk about Chinese domestic issues without America dominating the conversation. This came up in the C-Spam China thread just recently, I forget who it was but someone made the point that it's just a natural thing on an English speaking forum. And I get that, to an extent, but it doesn't entirely justify this fetishization of China as just 'the opposite of America.' it's a real state, capable of doing a poo poo job at things like every other state. You're very gullible if you buy into everything that comes out of the party's mouth just like if you were to buy into the idealistic US state bullshit.
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go listen to the first RATM album, goddamn
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Gringostar posted:bull loving poo poo Amongst our sinophobic propaganda are such diverse elements as trump, covid, outsourcing, an almost fanatical devotion to nationalism, and nice red uniforms
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fanfic insert posted:I made the edit to late, but he mentions them because of the black panther party is my take, like it wasnt purely racist motive to mention "the blacks", it was them as a political block of power that was the motivation. jesus dude even if i granted you that was "political" and not "racial", holy gently caress look at the drug stops, arrests, and charges of whites vs nonwhites today, which is what I mean by "guess what it turned into"
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Judakel posted:You have no clue what you're talking about. You are correct, I apologize.
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Flavius Aetass posted:go listen to the first RATM album, goddamn I dont think he will do what you tell him
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Grapplejack posted:literally no one does this in cspam. Every time xinjiang comes up people invent these US apologists that don't exist here to handwave / justify their own dismissal of the topic I made the terrible mistake of going into D&D and my brain is still recovering. I'm seeing apologists in the trees
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BrainDance posted:I haven't 'done some googling', I live here dude. I have first hand experience with these things, so does my fiancee, her family, everyone I know. Things may be 'enshrined in law' but there is next to no real action, not in any way that actually benefits Chinese people. If anything, shits been getting worse lately. Alright, sorry, entirely my bad. But you inserted yourself into it addressing my post while talking past me(kinda rude), when I was specifically pointing out big things China does way better than the US does to make a point, and you belittled it by saying it'd be obvious from a layover, implying it was idiotic when it very clearly is not. I mean consider the starting point of China/US when Nixon went to China, to use a somewhat arbitrary point in time. What exactly has the US done to improve those services? What has China done? Theres a very clear difference in the mode of improvement and the extent it works. The US has poverty numbers rising using pretty much every metric while China has falling numbers, while the most desperate places might not see as big an improvement it's at least some investments in the future, while Alabama has previously eradicated poverty deceases popping up again. I'm sorry but you all saying "stop comparing states they are all evil" you are so loving wrong. I live in a US client state and our political and economic situation will only get worse as long as we remain in the US sphere, as it has my entire life, while all evidence points to having a whole lot more freedom being in the Chinese sphere(as well as being in the sphere of a state with actual values and not just empty words that everyone brings their own meaning to). If i had the choice tomorrow I'd choose China, at least they're trying.
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:03 |
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THS posted:as a US citizen i have every reason to focus on my state above all else first of all, lol that there isn’t an equivalence between china and the us but secondly the part of that quote that’s going way over your head is that at no point is he saying that criticizing the actions done by actors that aren’t carried out by his own government shouldn’t happen, it’s that they shouldn’t be his primary concern
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Nix Panicus posted:I made the terrible mistake of going into D&D and my brain is still recovering. I'm seeing apologists in the trees people poo poo on the trump thread a lot but if there’s one thing that’s ingrained in every poster there, other than sailor and all the misspellings of trump, it’s that you never go to d&d
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:06 |
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I am not immune to propaganda. All that I can do is admit my error and correct my beliefs to become more inline with reality.
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:07 |
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Dustcat posted:jesus dude even if i granted you that was "political" and not "racial", holy gently caress look at the drug stops, arrests, and charges of whites vs nonwhites today, which is what I mean by "guess what it turned into" I wasn't arguing against that, I was just saying that even the racist bit has a political starting point, he probably wouldnt have mentioned "the blacks" in the tape if it wasnt for the actual influential political block of the black panthers.
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Gringostar posted:first of all, lol that there isn’t an equivalence between china and the us first of all, get back to me when china invades a sovereign nation, murders millions, destabilizes the entire region, and creates a refugee crisis of tens of millions fleeing. there is zero equivalence, america is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world, without any serious competition. no equivalence here. the degree to which the US causes more death and misery is unparalleled but secondly at no point did i say that we should never criticize china and i have repeatedly said what is going on in xinjiang, even though english sources that aren’t state propaganda are rare, is bad, so what part of that is going over my head? the united states should be the first and foremost concern for the evil it does, and for united states citizens there’s no question about priorities
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fanfic insert posted:I wasn't arguing against that, I was just saying that even the racist bit has a political starting point, he probably wouldnt have mentioned "the blacks" in the tape if it wasnt for the actual influential political block of the black panthers. i'm just gonna leave that at a as you did
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:11 |
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Could Korea qualify or is that more defensive from the US and United Nations (I think?)
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fanfic insert posted:(as well as being in the sphere of a state with actual values and not just empty words that everyone brings their own meaning to). youre definitely gonna get jumped on for this, rip, but you're not wrong. biden, macron, merkel, bolsonaro, trump, etc, etc, they are all who they say they are. they do not hide their values or the horrible things they believe in. why would the Xi and the CPC be different? they dont even have to campaign or anything!
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Could Korea qualify or is that more defensive from NATO? is china the country that carpet bombed and killed a quarter of the total population
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So is that a yes or a no? That's not what I asked. I'm not trying to set up a gotcha or anything
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:youre definitely gonna get jumped on for this, rip, but you're not wrong. biden, macron, merkel, bolsonaro, trump, etc, etc, they are all who they say they are. they do not hide their values or the horrible things they believe in. why would the Xi and the CPC be different? they dont even have to campaign or anything! It was more meant as a rip on "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" which are just completely empty unless you define it, which everyone does on their own, while China has a fairly well established line of socialist values defined over centuries of debate, even if they dont live up to them.
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THS posted:first of all, get back to me when china invades a sovereign nation, murders millions, destabilizes the entire region, and creates a refugee crisis of tens of millions fleeing. there is zero equivalence, america is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world, without any serious competition. no equivalence here. the degree to which the US causes more death and misery is unparalleled the murdering millions and displacing millions more thing ill give you, but lol if you think the damming of the mekong and causing a massive drought in several countries in its path is doing nothing to destabilize the region also good for you for being able to criticize both the us and china at the same time since that’s literally all anyone seems to be saying should happen
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Hot Karl Marx posted:So is that a yes or a no? That's not what I asked. I'm not trying to set up a gotcha or anything sorry, i assume some historical knowledge that i shouldnt probably. it would be an incredible reach to blame china for korea, and the civilian death count was attributable to US bombing over everything else. and regardless, the more recent iraq invasion, collapse, refugee crisis, interventions in yemen, libya, syria, etc- are far more relevant to who is way loving worse as far as killing, maiming, starving, and upending lives
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:19 |
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Is there a good reason to have a safe space for posting genocide denial after R.guyovich got deadmined for denying this particular genocide?
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:20 |
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China helped stop North Korea from being absorbed into the South, which at the time was indisputably a anti-socialist dictatorship that was a puppet of the US. US officials were considering expanding the war into China even before China intervened. China can be blamed for attacking India and Vietnam, but those were limited border wars that didn't destroy those countries or displace millions.
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:20 |
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Gringostar posted:the murdering millions and displacing millions more thing ill give you, but lol if you think the damming of the mekong and causing a massive drought in several countries in its path is doing nothing to destabilize the region youre saying china and the US are equivalent, i am saying they are not. we disagree on this, i do not see the same value in both-sidesing global politics considering the relative (and absolute) bodycounts, i also see less value in both-sidesing it in an english speaking forum in a cultural atmosphere where China Evil is an opinion i can get by throwing a dart at any random website, in the middle of a concerted anti-China propaganda campaign
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:23 |
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THS posted:sorry, i assume some historical knowledge that i shouldnt probably. it would be an incredible reach to blame china for korea, and the civilian death count was attributable to US bombing over everything else. and regardless, the more recent iraq invasion, collapse, refugee crisis, interventions in yemen, libya, syria, etc- are far more relevant to who is way loving worse as far as killing, maiming, starving, and upending lives The US wiped out 20% of the loving population of North Korea at the time along with destroying any infrastructure that existed in the county. NK quite literally had to start from the ground up with a 1/5th of it's population killed after the war. I don't understand how China could ever be blamed for that.
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Those are all good points
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:27 |
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Hairy Marionette posted:Perhaps, but under the control of China people felt the need to set themselves on fire.
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THS posted:youre saying china and the US are equivalent, i am saying they are not. we disagree on this, i do not see the same value in both-sidesing global politics considering the relative (and absolute) bodycounts, i also see less value in both-sidesing it in an english speaking forum in a cultural atmosphere where China Evil is an opinion i can get by throwing a dart at any random website, in the middle of a concerted anti-China propaganda campaign an equivalence =/= equivilant stop loving strawmanning poo poo
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:33 |
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Hairy Marionette posted:China did Maoism once, they can do similar again. inshallah
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# ? Mar 25, 2021 02:37 |
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Free Tibet Freedom for Hong Kong, revolution of our era Justice for Xianjing Ji xinping looks like Winnie the Pooh
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cagliostr0 posted:Free Tibet I’ll take eight
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