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Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

KomradeX posted:

I think the CIA accidentally killing Kennedy with Oswald cause they thought he was a bad shot is funnier than the Secret Service doing it on accident

After seeing how Felix couldn't barely play MGS on stream I doubt he's played mor than thr first level of a Souls-bourne

he streamed sekiro a few times and did very well and has apparently beaten it a few times since. hes also beaten bloodborne now too. its completely bizzare

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Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

https://clips.twitch.tv/AuspiciousGentleOrangeStinkyCheese

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Sekiro is kinda unique in that it is incredibly difficult until you have a eureka moment, and after that you're Neo at the end of The Matrix

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Sekiro is kinda unique in that it is incredibly difficult until you have a eureka moment, and after that you're Neo at the end of The Matrix

yeah it took me like 3 weeks to beat it the first time, 3 hours every subsequent time

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Farm Frenzy posted:

he streamed sekiro a few times and did very well and has apparently beaten it a few times since. hes also beaten bloodborne now too. its completely bizzare

Im shocked, cause his MGS playthrough was some DarkSidePhil level poo poo

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.
Modern games have more responsive controls.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

the original Metal Gear Solid is miraculous in that it is not a tank-driven game like others of the era

it does not, however, make it the most maneuverable game ever. that's why people play Twin Snakes

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Victory Position posted:

the original Metal Gear Solid is miraculous in that it is not a tank-driven game like others of the era

it does not, however, make it the most maneuverable game ever. that's why people play Twin Snakes

yeah even the best PSX games are pretty clunky to control with very fiddly movement and/or camera. Twin Snakes feels modern enough and prob the best way to enjoy MGS1, still looks reasonably good too. GameCube era aged extremely blessedly

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Xaris posted:

yeah even the best PSX games are pretty clunky to control with very fiddly movement and/or camera. Twin Snakes feels modern enough and prob the best way to enjoy MGS1, still looks reasonably good too. GameCube era aged extremely blessedly

when you learn that the Playstation 1's internal devkit did not have a means of centering the world and that you basically had to create orientation yourself, you start to get a clearer picture of why and a greater appreciation for how

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Sekiro is kinda unique in that it is incredibly difficult until you have a eureka moment, and after that you're Neo at the end of The Matrix
"oh i can just spam parry and don't have to time anything"

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

The Mako Mori Test doesn't even make sense, she has an arc in the movie. You literally see inside her brain, at first she cant pilot the Jaeger because she's reminded of the trauma of almost being killed by one as a child but then she gets over it and can pilot the Jaeger. That is an arc.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Gripweed posted:

The Mako Mori Test doesn't even make sense, she has an arc in the movie. You literally see inside her brain, at first she cant pilot the Jaeger because she's reminded of the trauma of almost being killed by one as a child but then she gets over it and can pilot the Jaeger. That is an arc.

Not an amazing one, but still one.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Halloween Jack posted:

It's funny how much stuff in these "activist" circles comes from a random Tumblr post.

Tumblr is a place where children of varying ages just sort of think out loud while they figure things out. In Lacanian terms, it's imaginary. That's fine. But there needs to be a barrier between that stuff and, say, establishing ethical standards, for the same reason that a functional adult has a barrier between their brain and their mouth.

This is a problem with Tumblr that Dale Beran identified in It Came From Something Awful.

quote:

Posts endured for years, bouncing around the site to be polished, well, like gems in a tumbler. Often this replication made the images and memes funnier or more interesting. But this also meant that many posts were argued over and annotated with each reblog. Even stranger, the annotations rarely ran on forever, as one might expect. Eventually, the various sides in the dialogue reached a consensus and what was then reblogged was like a rabbinical commentary, a settled piece of cultural law.

[...]

Adults reading this book may remember trying to “figure it out” as a teen, sifting through competing ideologies of television shows, parents, bands, and friends. Defining yourself meant coming up with a moral system: what to believe, what was right, what was wrong. Then, once that was settled, a new question arose: How do you go about fighting for it? Tumblr allowed all of this to take place on a scale of not tens or hundreds but millions of teens. Tumblr’s project was no less ambitious than all this: all of its users would develop a code of laws. Collectively they would agree, disagree, edit, refine, and append until a consensus was reached on what was cool and what wasn’t cool, what you should do and what you shouldn’t, and what’s right and what’s wrong.

Such a philosophy naturally focused on issues relevant to adolescents. Young people struggling to find a group that accepted them created groups that championed “radical acceptance”—their creed, everyone should be accepted for being different, unless of course you didn’t believe this, in which case you were out of the group.

In a beautiful recursion loop (or, less charitably, a short circuit), teens used this core belief in the right to define oneself (and the software’s invitation to do so) as their system of defining themselves. Those who believed that they were free to define their identity any way they pleased became a member of that clique. Indeed, subscribing to this belief determined their identity. Those who took issue with portions of the canon (for example, the rejects of 4chan) were shunned and condemned. Depending on how you looked at it, teens had either solved their problem with their problem or dug their escape route back into their prison.

quote:

The same dynamics occurring on Tumblr are perhaps best shown in its relationship to an episode of the dystopian science-fiction TV series Black Mirror titled “San Junipero.” In the piece, a young interracial couple fall in love in a montage of hyper-real retro settings, pitch-perfect replications of the glamorous backdrops from classic movies of the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And here’s the twist (spoiler alert!): they are meeting in a networked virtual reality simulation. Though they appear as teenagers, in real life they are very old and using the fantasy realm to explore their sexuality in ways that were not possible in their own lives. The story ends when the two lovers, facing death, upload a copy of their consciousness into the simulation. There, the computer replicas of their brains endure together forever, dancing and partying in paradise. To inform us the couple are enjoying an afterlife of truly eternal love, the 80s ballad “Heaven Is a Place on Earth” blasts over the scene.

Or so it seems at first. The last shot is terrifying. The camera pans across the vast reaches of a humming computer, where, beneath an inhuman blinking node, we view how their souls are stored in a corporation’s mainframe. As much as the creators would like us to believe the ending is happy, this last image presents an equally likely scenario: that the uncanny replication of the lovers in a false world is the fate of nightmares. The characters might be trapped in an unreal purgatory that will eventually be erased or glitched into oblivion when the corporation decides to pull the plug.

But in the Rorschach test of interpretation, the Tumblrverse rarely acknowledged this second possibility. When the episode premiered in 2016 it was celebrated across Tumblr in a cascade of reblogged fan art, quotes, screenshots, and gifs. And as usual, the media began to echo the memes. Vulture wrote that the episode “interrupts … the cynical gloom of the rest of season three of Black Mirror like sunshine breaking through the clouds (or rants about the Cloud).”

That the disturbing ending was ignored underscores what is so unsettling about Tumblr. As long as carefully cultivated corporate fantasy worlds accommodated demands for racial and sexual parity, users rarely noticed the downside of being dumped into a fantasy world for all eternity. Moreover, if the values of the fantasy world were just (if the simulation accepted your sexuality, identity, and so forth), it often didn’t matter that the real world was run by morally ambiguous technocrats who accommodated each person by assigning them a slot on their fantasy-generating servers.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
is that book any good?

tumblr was a CIA psyop. 2010 - 2016 online 'discourse' was extremely dire just slinging anti-unifying white cishet check ur privative plz acknowledge the the plight of darfur war ophans, not liking big megacorp lady-ghostbusters is misogyny

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Sekiro is kinda unique in that it is incredibly difficult until you have a eureka moment, and after that you're Neo at the end of The Matrix

Sounds like God Hand. Honestly any game that does that deserves its own award because getting the difficulty just right has to be incredibly difficult

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

I refuse to believe that there isnt a gigantic group of people on tumblr who think that black mirror episode is actually incredibly problematic for those and much more spurious reasons

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

all those people are on twitter now

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Xaris posted:

is that book any good?

I really enjoyed it. I know nothing about the author, but, having lived through it, everything checked out against my memories, and his analysis of the situation seemed pretty c-spamish. Beren is not too big a fan of consumer culture divorced from any actual material progress

quote:

Those agitating for radical change believed they were affecting reality, when in fact they had received (and were often satisfied with) radical change only within the confines of a simulated fantasy world.

Perhaps the best example of this is the recent blockbuster in the Marvel franchise, Black Panther. The film explores the problem of racial injustice in America by presenting the story of an African superhero who works with the CIA to prevent a black radical from fomenting revolution. In this sense, it is an upside-down retelling of the story of the radical 1960s Black Panther movement.

At the end of the film, the problem of racial inequality is addressed by the victorious hero, the conservative Black Panther. The penultimate scene shows the superhero establishing schools and mentorship programs in underserved black communities in Los Angeles, just as the real Black Panthers did in the 1960s. In doing so, Black Panther decides to share the wealth and fantastical technology from the secret realm from which he hails, an African Shangri-la called Wakanda. Thus, in both the fantasy of the film and in real life the problem is addressed and solved within the confines of the fantasy world. The movie’s solution to America’s racial inequality is to apply healthy gobs of unreal fantasy (the wealth and technology of the mystical realm Wakanda) to the problem.

Just as with so many other fantasy products, Black Panther took people’s unhappiness and frustration and sold it back to them as a brief snippet of relief. Viewed from one perspective, Black Panther was a victory for representation. But zoom out and it might be better regarded as a simulation of a victory.

In Baltimore, where I taught in predominantly black, underserved public schools for years, only a slim minority of my students would ever have the chance to enter the middle class. Against this grim backdrop, Black Panther was welcomed with a wave of euphoria. Local campaigns (#BlackPantherChallenge) were organized to bus children from their underserved areas to see the film. It was hard not to delight in the kids’ joy. But it also felt like a trapped-in-the-holodeck moment; the film fooled people into believing they had won a victory at the cost of a $14 ticket. Or more simply put, it was a play—a moneymaking scheme. It took something popular—Americans’ desperate desire for racial equality—repackaged it, and sold it as a commodity that audiences could buy by the hour.

Indeed, using fantasy to sate the very real and desperate longing for social justice worked a little too well for Black Panther’s owner, Disney. Whereas in so many other entertainment products this dynamic goes ignored, the film’s runaway success made the shocking disparity between the real and fake embarrassingly visible. People noticed that the corporation had pocketed $700 million worldwide selling a fantasy of social justice. In response, an embarrassed Disney hastily announced on Twitter that it would donate 1/700th of their $700 million to “advance STEM programs for youth, especially in underserved areas of the country.”

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

skull mask mcgee posted:

all those people are on twitter now
yahoo should be dragged to The Hague for what they did to the world by banning porn off tumblr and breaching the containment wall

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Shipon posted:

yahoo should be dragged to The Hague for what they did to the world by banning porn off tumblr and breaching the containment wall

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

Toph Bei Fong posted:

This is a problem with Tumblr that Dale Beran identified in It Came From Something Awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBlXtYrpy0

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
hard to say tumblr did anything much that wasn't already going on with unreconstructed liberalism at the time though; the presentation of false victories, the substitution of real enemies for fake ones that happen to be easier targets, and running flat into a brick wall when it came to material reality

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

hard to say tumblr did anything much that wasn't already going on with unreconstructed liberalism at the time though; the presentation of false victories, the substitution of real enemies for fake ones that happen to be easier targets, and running flat into a brick wall when it came to material reality

I think Tumblr allowed for the dissemination of that thought to an entire generation of people, younger millennials and older zoomers, though

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Who're yer guys? Zelynsky? Xi? Never heard of 'em. Lemme tell you about the time Sam Kinison and I did coke, you'll relate....

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
https://twitter.com/kinematografi/status/1378899308070703104?s=19

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

https://twitter.com/TourCNTower/status/1378347007769600002?s=20

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
Virgil putting his podcasting money to good use.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

How the damaging legacy of torture affects not just detainees but also US forces.

Sergeant Adam Gray made it home from Iraq only to die in his barracks. For more than three years, reporter Joshua E. S. Phillips--with the support of Adam's mother and several of his Army buddies--investigated Adam's death. What Phillips uncovered was a story of American veterans psychologically scarred by the abuse they had meted out to Iraqi prisoners.

How did US forces turn to torture? Phillips's narrative recounts the journey of a tank battalion--trained for conventional combat--as its focus switches to guerrilla war and prisoner detention. It tells of how a group of ordinary soldiers, ill trained for the responsibilities foisted upon them, descended into the degradation of abuse. The location is far from CIA prisons and Guantanamo, but the story captures the use and nature of detainee abuse in the US armed forces that was once widespread.

Based on firsthand reporting from the Middle East, as well as interviews with soldiers, their families and friends, military officials, and the victims of torture, None of Us Were Like This Before reveals how soldiers, senior officials, and the US public came to believe that torture was both effective and necessary. The book illustrates that the damaging legacy of torture is not only borne by the detainees, but also by American soldiers and the country to which they've returned.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010

grieving for Gandalf posted:

I think Tumblr allowed for the dissemination of that thought to an entire generation of people, younger millennials and older zoomers, though

tumblr was never actually that popular, it was bought by yahoo for 2 billion and then sold for like 20 million. it was just a hot target for internet mockery because its users were especially silly and dumb. dashcon is one of the funniest ways the internet has ever broken into real life, but it’s odd that the lesson that people take from it was that tumblr is this massive corrupting force and not that it was a minority of crazy people too small and too stupid to handle a convention center for a weekend

blaming anything on a massive cultural scale on tumblr feels like you’re still blaming ctrl+alt+del for the death of culture or whatever. the reason young people are so bad at activism is because their capitalist culture has co-opted it and turned it into a form of marketing, not some crappy social media site mostly occupied by fanatics of CW shows and youtube cartoons

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Joementum posted:

Who're yer guys? Zelynsky? Xi? Never heard of 'em. Lemme tell you about the time Sam Kinison and I did coke, you'll relate....



I almost spit out my coffee when I was this pop up on my phone this AM.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Pirate Jet posted:

tumblr was never actually that popular, it was bought by yahoo for 2 billion and then sold for like 20 million. it was just a hot target for internet mockery because its users were especially silly and dumb. dashcon is one of the funniest ways the internet has ever broken into real life, but it’s odd that the lesson that people take from it was that tumblr is this massive corrupting force and not that it was a minority of crazy people too small and too stupid to handle a convention center for a weekend

blaming anything on a massive cultural scale on tumblr feels like you’re still blaming ctrl+alt+del for the death of culture or whatever. the reason young people are so bad at activism is because their capitalist culture has co-opted it and turned it into a form of marketing, not some crappy social media site mostly occupied by fanatics of CW shows and youtube cartoons

Barack Obama became president because of Star Trek: Voyager

Donald Trump became president because of Gamergate

We live in a timeline where the stupidest butterflies cause the stupidest tornadoes, and pretending that numerous deleterious things in modern liberal culture didn't originate or get popular on Tumblr and spread from there is a bit naive

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Donald Trump became president because of Gamergate

sure thing boss

tiberion02
Mar 26, 2007

People tend to make the common mistake of believing that a situation will last forever.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Barack Obama became president because of Star Trek: Voyager


Wait, what? Holy poo poo I want to know more.

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012

tiberion02 posted:

Wait, what? Holy poo poo I want to know more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

tiberion02 posted:

Wait, what? Holy poo poo I want to know more.

Jeri Lynn Zimmermann married Republican political hopeful Jack Ryan in 1991.

They divorced in 1999.

When Jack Ryan ran for an Illinois Senate seat, a local news affiliate filed to release his records. The two of them tried to keep their divorce records sealed, but a judge ordered it released.

The records contained accounts of Jack Ryan having his wife perform sex acts in public and taking her to sex clubs across multiple countries and cities around the world, including allegations of BDSM.

The details were salacious enough that Jack Ryan withdrew his candidate, leaving the seat to be won by one Barack Hussein Superallah Obama.

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Xaris posted:

is that book any good?

tumblr was a CIA psyop. 2010 - 2016 online 'discourse' was extremely dire just slinging anti-unifying white cishet check ur privative plz acknowledge the the plight of darfur war ophans, not liking big megacorp lady-ghostbusters is misogyny

Wait isn't this the Nagle book? I thought the consensus was it was really bad and poorly thought out.

Edit never mind I'm thinking of Kill All Normies

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Toph Bei Fong posted:

We live in a timeline where the stupidest butterflies cause the stupidest tornadoes, and pretending that numerous deleterious things in modern liberal culture didn't originate or get popular on Tumblr and spread from there is a bit naive

Not when some of the worst impulses were around and spread before Tumblr became big: You could easily argue the same thing for Cracked when they were big as well, perhaps somewhat more noteworthy as a bunch of alumni from there became Rose Emoji twitter figures while they spent years defending pretty much most modern US military interventions there and David Wong would write Proto Hillybilly Elegy poo poo that would get spread far more on other networks. It's weird seeing like people still peddling the (probably fake) cookie with a needle story when Cracked used to have pieces straight up defending the Mujahadeen and would have a revolving door of South American expats to advocate having the US invade their country to save from communism.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

https://twitter.com/danajiru/status/1378996970132410374

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Joementum posted:

Who're yer guys? Zelynsky? Xi? Never heard of 'em. Lemme tell you about the time Sam Kinison and I did coke, you'll relate....



oh my god

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THS
Sep 15, 2017


also lol i love anarcho-imperialism so fuckin much. robert evans rules

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