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I think the Excelsior, Oberth, and Kelvin are all perfectly fine. Actually, the Kelvin is better than fine. It's the only single-nacelle design that has a counterweight to keep it from looking awkwardly imbalanced. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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The Excelsior is gorgeous, and I'm always glad to see it onscreen. Scotty was just an out-of-touch luddite. 
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Apr 24, 2021 09:44
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I'll admit the Excelsior doesn't have that flawless "looks amazing at any angle" quality of the Constitution refit. But neither does the Galaxy or just about anything else.
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Apr 24, 2021 12:54
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I mean, this looks really good to me.
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Apr 24, 2021 12:57
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Late to classical music chat but whatevs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52MXbkhepQ Also yeah, Ambassador class is cool, wish we'd gotten to see a few of those tooling around DS9 or in the big Dominion War battles instead of all the Mirandas and Excelsiors. Remember the TOS Dreadnought class? Never on screen but it was in one of those old books like Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise or Worlds of the Federation or something like that.  Anything with more than or fewer than two nacelles is heresy, always has been.
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Apr 24, 2021 14:06
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I dunno, I like the Constellation quite a lot.
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FlamingLiberal posted:“You Can’t Do That in Sto’Vo’Kor!” What could you not do there. Sto'vo'kor would be like the footage hell from Event Horizon, but with more hair, and more saying Q'pla instead of Latin.
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happyhippy posted:What could you not do there. tbh I don't know *gets drenched in blood*
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Angry Salami posted:The Excelsior is gorgeous, and I'm always glad to see it onscreen. Scotty was just an out-of-touch luddite. This. Anyone who hates on the best design in Trek is a lunatic who cannot appreciate proper art deco.
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https://twitter.com/nocontexttrek/status/1385995627163787265?s=21
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Apr 24, 2021 17:36
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Consoles filled not just with explosives and rocks, but an actual face-height flame jet!
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Apr 24, 2021 18:12
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Eimi posted:This. Anyone who hates on the best design in Trek is a lunatic who cannot appreciate proper art deco. The best design in Trek is the Constitution refit, sorry.
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https://twitter.com/magliojen/status/1303526246857531393
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Timby posted:The best design in Trek is the Constitution refit, sorry. Don't you dare apologize for such a correct opinion.
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Apr 24, 2021 19:18
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Timby posted:The best design in Trek is the Constitution refit, sorry.
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Apr 24, 2021 19:26
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Sovereign class has always held a special place in my heart.
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Apr 24, 2021 19:28
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The Sovereign is the Excelsior's lovely little wannabe goth cousin who has never actually seen The Crow but still insists they are fully serious about dressing like Winona Ryder's character from Beetlejuice
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Tighclops posted:The Sovereign is the Excelsior's lovely little wannabe goth cousin who has never actually seen The Crow but still insists they are fully serious about dressing like Winona Ryder's character from Beetlejuice I get why people don't like the Sovereign, it's the epitome of the design trend past the Galaxy where hulls started getting more "aerodynamic", lost their necks and generally moved away from the core design aspects of the original Constitution. That said, it is my favorite design, I think it works as a clear sign of tech advancement from the Galaxy, and the saucer being a long oval rather than the egg shape some later ships use I think is a good compromise between wanting to make it "sleeker" without moving too far from basic Fed design. But the Galaxy is also what I grew up with, it's the space classic car that took me on my first trip to sci-fi, and it's a really fantastic evolution of Fed design, so if I could leave it at tied for 1st I would. Payndz posted:Consoles filled not just with explosives and rocks, but an actual face-height flame jet! This is what they get for snaking the warp juice throughout the entire hull. Sure the biggest EPS conduits are the ones going to the nacelles, but as they displayed many times in the shows, smaller EPS conduits power everything. It's funneling a constant multi-megaton detonation through every part of the ship, and the only reason it doesn't explode everything is because the conduits are super conducting. But of course if they're breached then you get a nice little leak of that explosion in your face. There's no way to avoid running those explodium pipes from the warp core to the nacelles, they need that much juice. But any sane designer would run just regular superconductive electric cables from the core to everything else. Orthanc6 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Don't you dare apologize for such a correct opinion. drat straight.
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Barry Foster posted:I dunno, I like the Constellation quite a lot. Before or after it met the planet killer?
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The Constellation's decent, but I think they went too hard on visually selling it as old and antiquated. It looks downright crude.
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nine-gear crow posted:Peter Weller really needs to be in more You called?
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PeterWeller posted:You called? Hello there, Mr. Weller. I hope you're having a pleasant evening right now.
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PeterWeller posted:You called? Nice posting, kid. What's your name?
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Timby posted:The best design in Trek is the Constitution refit, sorry.  for sure, but drat there are a lot of wrong takes on the sexy art deco sleekness of the Excelsior ITT.
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Terror Sweat posted:I don't like what they did to section 31 and how they changed it to the CIA Wait what was it before a CIA type thing?
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Binary Badger posted:Before or after it met the planet killer?  Emrikol posted:The Constellation's decent, but I think they went too hard on visually selling it as old and antiquated. It looks downright crude. That's what I like about it. It's a mean little tugboat thing. It's not a showpiece ship like an Ambassador or a Galaxy or even a Nebula, it's a 9 to 5 blue collar working ship Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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One of the reasons I'm sad we never saw the New Orleans (one of the background kitbashes from TNG) properly, it's got a similar functional little ship vibe but for the Galaxy era. Less gritty, though. The New Orleans is basically the Ford Focus of starships. (And of course there's the Cheyenne Class, which is straight-up the Galaxy-era version of the Constellation Class) At least now for '24th-century workhorse' we have the Cali class. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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I believe I read the only reason Gene made up his silly laws of warp nacelle dynamics was to take the wind out of the sales of the Star Trek Technical Manual that he wasn't receiving royalties for and wanted to "de-authenticate" it so fans wouldn't buy it. I could totally be misremembering that...
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Wee Bairns posted:I believe I read the only reason Gene made up his silly laws of warp nacelle dynamics was to take the wind out of the sales of the Star Trek Technical Manual that he wasn't receiving royalties for and wanted to "de-authenticate" it so fans wouldn't buy it. That does sound like Gene...
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The rule of design with Star Trek ships is beauty first, theme second, functionality last. The Oberth class is a case in point. It's actually a very pretty design and I'm fond of it, but what is that lower section of the ship supposed to be? There's nothing connecting it to the saucer above, so I assume the crew doesn't go there. Perhaps everything there is automated. But what does the crew do if that section needs repairs or maintenance? Do they just go to the nearest starbase for repairs?
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It's not that hard to imagine the struts connecting the Oberth's primary and secondary hulls being able to accommodate a turboshaft. I think beta canon has usually explained it away as the Oberth's secondary hull containing sensor equipment that extremely sensitive and requires some distance from living crew for whatever reason. I'm with you though, the Oberth is good. Like literally everything the TOS movies' design language gave us.
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Nah, the Oberth is a small ship, those struts are too small for people to pass through. Maybe they beam over? I love the Galaxy design. It's a crime that they destroyed the Enterprise-D in Generations. I wanted to see more of the D in glorious hi-def CGI.
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Drone posted:good. Like literally everything the TOS movies' design language gave us. Hard disagree; I believe Trek design took a massive step backwards when ILM took over design beginning with TSFS. I've already explained why I strongly dislike the Excelsior; the pregnant guppy hull really drives me insane. As we've pointed out, the Oberth requires a lot of mental lampshading in order to even remotely make a lick of sense. The Bird of Prey also comes close to giving me an aneurysm; as originally written, the villains were Romulans, and then they were a band of Klingons who had stolen a Romulan vessel. So, okay, the design of the ship tracks with what we'd seen of the Romulans. But then it gets rewritten again, so what does Nilo Rodis do? Did he revamp the ship to be congruent with established Klingon design? Nope, he just kept everything as-is, despite the Klingons never using avian imagery before, despite the Klingons never using that bright newborn-baby-poo poo green color before. It was just pure, unstrained laziness. Then there's spacedock. Yeah, it sure makes sense to store your entire fleet inside a giant mushroom, where it can be easily disabled by a floating space burrito. Burrito entrapment aside, Spacedock and its ~spacedoors~ don't even make much sense from a logistics standpoint. I'm also not a fan of the prop design ILM did, particularly the new hand phasers in The Final Frontier. The best I can say about the ship designs by ILM is ... well, at least they aren't John Eaves monstrosities. And that's a textbook definition of damning with faint praise.
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Kurzon posted:Nah, the Oberth is a small ship, those struts are too small for people to pass through. Maybe they beam over? Bernd at ex-astris-scienta disagrees, but not by much. You'd have to use a really cramped turbolift car, turned sideways.  Source: https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/oberth-size.htm
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I definitely agree with you about the Oberth, Excelsior and the godawful TOS movie props, but the BOP is an absolute classic even if it wasn’t originally intended to be Klingon. I love Stardock too, even if it makes zero sense.
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I've always assumed Spacedock is mostly hollow all the way down the tube and a way to work on ships in a pressurised environment.
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Apr 25, 2021 19:07
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Space dock makes zero sense except for having giant SPACE DOORS to act as a plot point for Star Trek 3
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I definitely agree with you about the Oberth, Excelsior and the godawful TOS movie props, but the BOP is an absolute classic even if it wasn’t originally intended to be Klingon. I love Stardock too, even if it makes zero sense. Anyone defending the Oberth is a psycho
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