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Oh yeah, that too. No study has 1 in 10 people get covid, because not that many people get covid anyway. The study I posted had ~200 covid cases in 4000 people over 13 weeks. That's 5% total, including unvaccinated people (who made up 160 of the 200 cases).
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Inept posted:lol you said you wanted to put unvaccinated people in camps Yeah they can bunk with the Uighurs. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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John_A_Tallon posted:It means that in the test population 1 out of every 10 people that got the real treatment instead of a placebo still got COVID somehow. Maybe their immune system didn't respond hard enough or long enough, maybe the shot was administered or stored incorrectly; it probably wasn't that they caught some variant of COVID that the shot provided less or no protection against, because the tests were done relatively early in the pandemic. But who knows! There was an outbreak in skilled nursing facility in Kentucky in March and amongst the full vaccinated residents 25.4% were infected and one of them died. 7.1% of the vaccinated staff were also infected. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7017e2.htm 
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It is also worth pointing out the efficacy numbers for even the crap vaccines are *stunningly* good. We wiped out polio, smallpox and TB* with vaccinations in the range of 60-70% efficacy. 80-85% is considered pretty loving high - that we have not one but at least four vaccines above that is nothing short of astonishing. * Offer not valid in developing nations
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Thread is fine. Full of valuable info. In 10 days when I am 2 weeks past second shot I will be able to do some outdoors activities unmasked. What a joy that will be and thanks to this thread (more than any other source) I will be making an educated decision. Goons don't have to be in total lockstep hivemind to post in GBS thank gently caress
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It is also worth pointing out the efficacy numbers for even the crap vaccines are *stunningly* good. We wiped out polio, smallpox and TB* with vaccinations in the range of 60-70% efficacy. 80-85% is considered pretty loving high - that we have not one but at least four vaccines above that is nothing short of astonishing. Yeah CoronaVac is looking pretty lovely, which helps explain how Chile just had a huge spike in cases even though their vaccination rate is roughly on par with the US quote:Most vaccinated Chileans have only had a single dose, meaning they are still largely unprotected from infection. A study published by researchers at the University of Chile on 6 April, in which Cortés was not involved, found that the CoronaVac vaccine was 56.5% effective in preventing infections two weeks after a second dose but only 3% effective after a single dose.
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Spinz posted:Goons don't have to be in total lockstep hivemind to post in GBS thank gently caress Haha no but it would be nice if we could avoid calling each other murderers every two pages.
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Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months.
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the guidance from the cdc is that vaccinated people can gather in small groups indoors without masks so it would be fine. i'm sure someone will come in and call you a murderer for doing it but i wouldn't personally worry about it
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Big Bizness posted:Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months. if i could get those terms in writing i'd do it, depending on how much money it was and how badly i needed money
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Big Bizness posted:Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months. I am constantly surrounded by unmasked people while I play dodgeperson. I wear an N95. It's been like this since the pandemic started. I'm not fuckin' dead yet. I am profusely crying while I watch an old disney world fireworks show because look at all the people, listen to the joy in their voices, this is how we used to live.
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Big Bizness posted:Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months. If you're vaccinated it's fine, if you're vaccinated, they're vaccinated, and you're wearing an n95 mask its probably less risky than the car ride over.
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Big Bizness posted:Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months. The key imo is if they are vaxed. If they are great, I'd do it. Open windows and doors, have airflow, you'll feel better.
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Here's a handy graphic that lists the current CDC guidances on masks https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1387087975142600708
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I am constantly surrounded by unmasked people while I play dodgeperson. I wear an N95. It's been like this since the pandemic started. I'm not fuckin' dead yet. It is ok to have hope. Hope is necessary for humans. Its keeping me alive tho based on past experiences it is folly. I'm still going to have it! 
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Big Bizness posted:Got an offer to film somebody's 8 hour presentation in about 2 weeks. It will be indoors, and it will be only me, the presenter and maybe a few other people present (less then 5 total.) Everyone there will be fully vaccinated, supposedly. These are high income professional types. Should be fine, right? I'll still be wearing an N95 if I do go, but I don't know if anyone else would be. Normally I would say this is a no brainer but the long length of time we will be around each other has me a bit hesitant. My gut says it's a bad idea but idk if that's just my warped perspective after hardcore quarantining for the last 16 months. A lot of the time (in different/worse situations) I'm seeing people say "of course I'll wear my mask" and omit "except for the 2 hours when we're all sitting at the same table eating and chatting." It seems likely that will come up in this situation, so plan/decide in advance.
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Spinz posted:There have been worse pandemics. In a couple of years or a year that kind of gathering may be safe again. It MAY be. You need to get therapy because being a minister during all this death would be hard on anyone!!! Probably not and I'm not a fan of therapy for a variety of reasons but hey, maybe one day we can like. distance elbow boop. Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here's a handy graphic that lists the current CDC guidances on masks gods they make this poo poo a mess, don't they?
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Nam Taf posted:Ok sure I’ll concede that, but it only proves my point that you won’t only be catching 95% of cases with a 14 day quarantine. The numbers don’t pass a sniff test, given we routinely get 20 cases a day and yet it doesn’t leak through. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/33/eabc1202.full
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John_A_Tallon posted:It means that in the test population 1 out of every 10 people that got the real treatment instead of a placebo still got COVID somehow. I know other people have already addressed this point, but Jesus Christ. (BRB, gotta cancel my vaccination since being vaxxed apparently hugely increases my chances of infection.)
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Probably not and I'm not a fan of therapy for a variety of reasons but hey, maybe one day we can like. distance elbow boop. The right side appears to indicate that fully vaccinated people without masks are safer than fully vaccinated people *with* masks under certain scenarios.
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There Bias Two posted:The right side appears to indicate that fully vaccinated people without masks are safer than fully vaccinated people *with* masks under certain scenarios. This is showing (a) if you need precautions, and (b) the level of safety based on the precautions (or lack thereof) recommended.
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There Bias Two posted:The right side appears to indicate that fully vaccinated people without masks are safer than fully vaccinated people *with* masks under certain scenarios. The only row where that’s the case is for restaurants, and yeah, masks are a farce there.
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There Bias Two posted:The right side appears to indicate that fully vaccinated people without masks are safer than fully vaccinated people *with* masks under certain scenarios. where's the part that indicates that?
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A beautiful lockdown memory from one year ago: Such happier, innocent times 
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I give people here the benefit of the doubt over neighbors. We have a trump flag neighbor that mocked my pregnant wife for wearing a mask on our outdoor walk when we pass people, and since we are moving in 2 weeks anyway an 18 inch subwoofer and 15 inch top pointed at their house from the backyard for 4 hours felt great.
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Has anyone else who got their shots through Walgreens run into this? I logged into my Walgreens account to see if I could reschedule my 2nd shot for something closer to 22 or 23 days but this page refuses to acknowledge that I got shot 1.
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Dick Jones posted:Has anyone else who got their shots through Walgreens run into this? Probably just means they're not scheduling ad-hoc 2nd doses at this point.
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It looked different on mobile but on the app I wasn't able to change my appointment until like 20 days after my first shot. So basically not until right when I'd be eligible to get the second shot anyway. No idea why they designed it that way, but you may just need to wait.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That poster would probably be more comfortable in CSPAM. That's just cruel.
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got my second shot the other day and while my first one was just a sore injection site, the second one actively tried to kill me. Don’t remember the last time I felt so ill, like if I moved my head two degrees to the left, my headache would manifest physically and cleave me in twain. Christ. Felt much better when I could sit up and get some tylenol in me, ffs. Excited to get a haircut in a few weeks tho.
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Fenarisk posted:I give people here the benefit of the doubt over neighbors. We have a trump flag neighbor that mocked my pregnant wife for wearing a mask on our outdoor walk when we pass people, and since we are moving in 2 weeks anyway an 18 inch subwoofer and 15 inch top pointed at their house from the backyard for 4 hours felt great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61pMtsWxQrs
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Fenarisk posted:I give people here the benefit of the doubt over neighbors. We have a trump flag neighbor that mocked my pregnant wife for wearing a mask on our outdoor walk when we pass people, and since we are moving in 2 weeks anyway an 18 inch subwoofer and 15 inch top pointed at their house from the backyard for 4 hours felt great. Set it to play Biden speeches.
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Just got my first AZ about an hour or so ago. Let's hope my 39 yo female self doesn't throw a clot! minor arm soreness, some neck muscle pinching, otherwise so far so good
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This thread has me confused. Are we all going to die or not?
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Unlucky7 posted:This thread has me confused. Are we all going to die or not? Just be patient.
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dwarf74 posted:How? I am not seeing that. The label on the right side says "safest", which could be interpreted to mean that for their respective settings, no mask is safest versus wearing a mask. I know this is not what is intended here, but it could read that way to some.
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I'll add my experience to the mix. Wife and I both got our 2nd Pfizer last week. Wife felt a little tired afterwards for a day or two, but that could also be the lack of sleep from our 3-week old daughter finally wearing on us. About 12 hours after, I started to get a headache and chills. I went outside at night to bring the trash out to the curb (SF Bay Area, so not overly cold in April) and stopped to stare at the sky for a minute because it was pretty clear. After about 30 seconds I started to shake and felt physically ill and booked it inside. Teeth chattering, bundled up under blankets, and felt pretty off until about 3AM (~18 hours post shot), when I finally felt my temperature regulating properly. Still had a headache (mild-to-moderate hangover level) until I finally took some Excedrin around noon the next day. Felt great after that. All things considered, not too bad of an experience. Would vax again.
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Unlucky7 posted:This thread has me confused. Are we all going to die or not? Technically yes.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There was an outbreak in skilled nursing facility in Kentucky in March and amongst the full vaccinated residents 25.4% were infected and one of them died. 7.1% of the vaccinated staff were also infected. So that's a 72% efficacy and 87% efficacy against symptomatic disease. Not great really! Still obviously enough with other measures, but we're even walking back masks at this point.
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