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XMNN posted:i also like how every policy from the 2019 manifesto is now a no go, because the voters explicitly rejected every single one of them individually, I'm looking forward to seeing what I'm sure will be a very an exciting offering in 2024 It's More Cops. Labours emergency vote winner is More Cops and maybe nationalising one train
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genericnick posted:They were, that's why when the media pulled up the manifesto in 2017 to laugh at it it nearly cost May the election. But they're not going to make the same mistake again, the only Labour policy that will be widely discussed is the Final Solution. they were, but it wasn't enough on its own which is bad for leftism imo. since we aren't likely to get a charismatic candidate the media supports Jose posted:Labour might well have won in 2017 had the party machine not been actively trying to lose this being arguably true is also the mechanism by which the corbyn left don't have to learn any lessons if we don't want to
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gonadic io posted:Labour's stated policy is 2.5%, vs what the Tories gave them of 1% vs the royal college of nurses saying 12% vs the 2019 labour (pre covid obvs) manifesto of 5% nandy refused to go further than the tories "legislated for" 2.5% and Keith said that should be a starting point and then he'd negotiate https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1388781437260861440?s=19 https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1389468840266977285?s=19 they both refused to give an actual figure but presumably if it's a negotiation they're not planning on giving them what the royal college asked for
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I agree with Communism Thoughts that a lot of the UK left is not willing to be introspective about the failures of the Corbyn project. Especially the fact that it was assumed that everyone who voted for Corbyn and joined the party because of him was a die hard leftist which Keir Starmer emphatically proved is not the case. On the other hand the fact that the British left nearly won an election entirely on accident (especially given how in 2015 the left seemed totally dead) that should be a good sign especially as long as the Labour right and liberals totally fail to have any solution to the huge problems facing the UK and the world. IMO housing and the environment and going to be the 2 fertile grounds for leftism going forward, especially because both are areas where middle class liberals can be captured by a left project (for housing because middle class people are seeing their kids be unable to afford their own house even with inheritance money).
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the sex ghost posted:It's More Cops. Labours emergency vote winner is More Cops and maybe nationalising one train central police brutality force at cop station ready to be deployed anywhere on the country on shorter notice than usual in a train with a flag on (the flag snaps off when they go through a tunnel) (it's not actually nationalised)
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MikeCrotch posted:I agree with Communism Thoughts that a lot of the UK left is not willing to be introspective about the failures of the Corbyn project. Especially the fact that it was assumed that everyone who voted for Corbyn and joined the party because of him was a die hard leftist which Keir Starmer emphatically proved is not the case. When corbyn had just lost I remember that there was a lot of despair and depression but also a lot of introspection and reflection. Then that internal report came out convincingly blaming the PLP and it allowed people a conscious out from the feelings of despair but also from having to analyse our failure I distinctly remember at the time feeling how seductive this report was going to be just based on how awful everyone felt before. "We would have won in 2017" was the driving story of corbynism from then on, it was brutally killed after 2019 then resurrected by the report. There's a huge amount of emotion wrapped up in assigning blame on both the left and right of labour and the way things ended up it's intractable. Either 2017 was sabotage preventing a heroic near win against insurmountable odds or it was incompetence preventing an easy win against an awful candidate. Theres good evidence for both and we will never agree over it.
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Communist Thoughts posted:this being arguably true is also the mechanism by which the corbyn left don't have to learn any lessons if we don't want to
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Communist Bear posted:Labour are bereft of ideas and talent, the ship has well and truly sunk, and what's left is flotsam with a petty officer clinging on, pretending he's in charge. They don't know who they represent or who to represent. The workers of yesteryear long abandoned them, and the New Labour supporters have left them because they're now fat rich boomers, who vote Conservative to keep their money and stability at the expense of all others. They don't want to represent upcoming voters - millennials, gen-z - because that would require effort, organisation and ideas, and gosh-darn young people don't vote, even though millennials are in their 30's or early 40's. They don't want to represent the working class because they smell and have no money. They want the right wing vote, which is dumb because the right wing will never vote for them. still LOLing at the time Labour announced Kieth was going to unveil some exciting policies to thrill the nation and it turned out to be …. … an idea for a new kind of Government Bond
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XMNN posted:yes that's what I said? Yes.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The lesson is to purge the wreckers. That you don’t recognize that as a lesson doesn’t make it so. Just saying "purge the wreckers" is meaningless though, as it turns out a huge part of Corbyn's powerbase were not on board with that project, you would have had 50 MPs split not 12 and the whole thing would be dead in the water. It worked for the Tories because Johnson correctly surmised that he would be rewarded for purging the Tory remainers due to a decades long project of embedding brexit at the heart of conservatism (something like 95% of Tory members were hard brexiters) This is the point, the Corbyn project was much more fragile than first thought and the left needs to work out to be in a better position of strength in the event we're in the same position in the future so we *can* successfully get rid of the wreckers
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also, for me at least, "purge the wreckers" is not a new lesson. its what the corbyn project was meant to be doing in the first place, at least as much as it was meant to be about changing the culture of labour and getting some new blood in. that was meant to be our consolation prize even if we didn't win the election remember all the talk about succession and setting up the party for the long term? that didn't happen apparently
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smellmycheese posted:still LOLing at the time Labour announced Kieth was going to unveil some exciting policies to thrill the nation and it turned out to be …. promptly forgotten and never mentioned again too lol just voted for the communist party of britain for the council election mostly for the novelty of voting for a communist party. i'm sure they're bad but so were all the other options
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smellmycheese posted:still LOLing at the time Labour announced Kieth was going to unveil some exciting policies to thrill the nation and it turned out to be …. And then promptly never loving talked about it ever again, such is their genius.
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Communist Thoughts posted:also, for me at least, "purge the wreckers" is not a new lesson. its what the corbyn project was meant to be doing in the first place, at least as much as it was meant to be about changing the culture of labour and getting some new blood in. As for there being too many wreckers, I think taking the most active ones out could’ve brought some in line.
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as long as he doesnt ever become PM i'm gonna look back fondly on kier as a character i think hes like kezia dugdale but much worse morally e: he does need to get on her level though dispatch_async posted:
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MikeCrotch posted:Just saying "purge the wreckers" is meaningless though, as it turns out a huge part of Corbyn's powerbase were not on board with that project, you would have had 50 MPs split not 12 and the whole thing would be dead in the water. It worked for the Tories because Johnson correctly surmised that he would be rewarded for purging the Tory remainers due to a decades long project of embedding brexit at the heart of conservatism (something like 95% of Tory members were hard brexiters) But those 50 MPs wouldn't have been all that much more successful than the CUKs, and the parlimentarian left would have been in a much better position now. Of course hindsight and you're still letting Boris ruun over the country with his Brexit-dozer.
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There is also that no matter how much time is spent on introspection, what are you going to do about the conclusion? It is no secret that the western corporate media is incredible hostile against any genuine leftist ideology. What is to be done? Hope there will be somehow some marxist billionaire or two who can take on the media? Hope for social media? Guess who runs those. Any time there is even the slightest push for more social politics there will be hundreds of pieces about financing while there will be always money for interventionist wars or the latest financial market bailouts.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:if anyone wants to point and laugh at an idiot, I feel slightly sick that I'm wavering on whether or not to bother voting today I feel bad because our lib dem candidate seems like a good egg and councillors don't really do anything but can't bring myself to vote for her. Powerful Jo swinson energy though, we've had at least one leaflet a week for the last month compared to none from the other parties
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90s Cringe Rock posted:if anyone wants to point and laugh at an idiot, I feel slightly sick that I'm wavering on whether or not to bother voting today I feel the same, it's the first time I'm not exercising my right feels weird. Its just councillor and PCC elections here though. The latter very much campaigning solely on "we need more cops!" If Labour isn't willing to critique the police after a high profile case of a pig murdering a white woman then they never will. I don't think NIP or anyone else walking down the road for are running, I've not had any other leaflets other than a rancid tory candidate who looks like he's twelve. He ran off around the corner after I tried to collar him when he put the leaflet through my door.
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Jose posted:who wants to see the most cursed kieth content possible? They managed to make am even worse clamped calves post, my god
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Jose posted:who wants to see the most cursed kieth content possible? lol insane
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Jel Shaker posted:trying to get any handle on the PCC candidates is so stupid, every personal statement is a markov bot variation of More Cops Less crime etc This is the tory candidate for Leicestershire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Matthews quote:Matthews was educated at Esher Grammar School and worked as a freelance writer and journalist. He has written over 170 books on history, ghosts, cryptozoology, UFOs, paranormal activity, guides to the UK and children's stories. Matthews is the editorial director and a shareholder of Bretwalda Books. I'm quite excited about the possibility the police budget will be redirected towards a new Ghost Busters service. I would also settle for some kind of anime-style Shinigami department.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:cop train Already done:  bedpan posted:Setting brexit and antisemitism aside, here is the updated list of jezza's many crimes. According to the press at the time, he has been an energetic wrongdoer. You can also add:
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