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Jaeluni Asjil posted:schadenfreude  I did not vote Labour for the first time in my life in the Senedd, but I actually didn't expect them to get owned this hard, and I've got to say I'm pleasantly surprised how the narrative is going with Welsh Labour's relative success: relatively left wing Welsh Labour gains ground, whilst right wing English Labour eats poo poo with a rusty spoon  e: https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390465305038761987 lmao eat poo poo centrists (hopefully the independent isn't fash, I just quoted for the 42) Borrovan fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 7, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1379214047846006785?s=20 Clearly the answer is more centrism
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1379214047846006785?s=20 This is just too beautiful for words. Today has been like a parody of the strongest possible repudiation of centrism.
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May 7, 2021 21:29
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I've been playing the new Resident Evil and hear me out, the new Labour Leader should be an eight foot tall goth woman who could smash a man's skull with her tits. I feel this would unite the party.
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May 7, 2021 21:31
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May 7, 2021 21:32
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May 7, 2021 21:51
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crispix posted:bets on keith being on i'm a celebrity get me out of here this autumn? He's going to be the UK's Eurovision entry for 2022. He will come twenty-fifth.
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May 7, 2021 21:59
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https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1390577414359691264?s=19 Ash seems to have a good take here. Stuff can poll well but the Tories can pinch one or two and there needs to be something more. The labor right is still garbage tho.
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One thing that seems extremely weird to me is how *a lot* of people - from graun comment sections and UK subreddits and all the way to supposedly big-brain pundits and seemingly Labour strategy advisers (who really, really should know better) - treat the election results as if they are parts of the entire electorate, as opposed to parts of "whoever bothered to actually vote". I can honestly kind of see how Keith's strategy could make sense if you assume that vote percentages represent 100% of all voters - in this case it *does* look that voters are switching from Lab to Con and that you have to embrace whatever the Tories are embracing to win the voters back. Trouble is, that's an incredibly wrong assumption. Like, if you look at Hartlepool results in their entirety throughout the years, it's incredibly obvious that there is a bloc of right-wing voters and a bloc of left-wing voters - both roughly constant in size throughout the years - and that these blocs only bother to turn up if they see something that they think is worth voting for. The jumps between these blocs are minimal (at least from the stats i've seen) - lack of turnout is much more of a factor. I suppose the same can be said about great many of Labour losses in other places - it's not that Conservatives gained that much more voters, it's that nobody bothered to vote for Labour this time Also, it'd be nice if all the vote results would bother including "didn't vote" as a voter category. I think that'd be quite eye-opening for quite a few people
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The "Both sides are as bad as each other" narrative is horseshit though. The right of the party sabotaged the left when they were in charge and then gutted it to get rid of anyone left of center when they were in charge. Labour came so close to winning in 2017, if the melts had just swallowed their pride and worked with the left they'd be in power right now. So no, I'm not buying this "faults on both sides" excuse, this is entirely of the centrists making.
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May 7, 2021 22:25
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nurmie posted:Also, it'd be nice if all the vote results would bother including "didn't vote" as a voter category. I think that'd be quite eye-opening for quite a few people They do, although not explicitly. 100-turnout is the "Didn't Vote" category. Also in Scotland voters were advised to turn in a blank ballot if they didn't want to vote on either constituency or list. As a result the number of excluded ballots has multiplied; normally you'd get maybe 20-30 per constituency, this time we're getting 100-200.
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May 7, 2021 22:26
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1965917 posted:The "Both sides are as bad as each other" narrative is horseshit though. Not to mention that Corbyn started his leadership by reaching out to the right, putting them in his shadow cabinet and giving them an unprecedented level of freedom to disagree with him. And they launched a loving coup. Starmer meanwhile opened by purging the left and trying to kick Corbyn out of the party. So yeah, the idea that "both sides need to work together" is for the birds. We tried it, they didn't want to, now they need to gently caress off and die.
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1965917 posted:The "Both sides are as bad as each other" narrative is horseshit though. 2017 is kind of the point though, it's not just the sum of policies but a push for the many but the few which is stronger electorally than the individual policies. I think implying ash is saying both sides are equally bad is a really stupid reading.
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I don't think the left are the ones trying to court retired property owners Bit patronising of Ash tbh, yes I know that working renters have different class interests to retired property owners thanks
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May 7, 2021 22:32
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Both sides are as bad as each other in that the labour left need to split like yesterday. There’s no saving labour this time. We need a new party.
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May 7, 2021 22:39
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Full Corbyn interview on Channel 4 https://youtu.be/_qJc85PFD_A God I miss that man.
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May 7, 2021 22:42
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May 7, 2021 22:46
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they haven't just bitten the hand that fed them they've chopped it off and pissed on it and diarrheaed on it
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? The momentum in Europe is toward green parties coming out of nowhere. It might be that we could get our entryism in now and seize the green apparatus. It's not a certain bet; there are no certain bets. With the Labour party turbo hosed, though, there's votes and political loyalties not being used that might as well be spent on a punt like this. Another possibility is for Labour's SCG to splinter into a new party. If this becomes our parliamentary punt, then it leaves options open. If it fails, everybody jumps ship onto the green punt. If the party stays around but a green party surge starts, this vote split is a good bargaining position to demand the greens stay with the proletariat.
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https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1390766477997920259?s=19 Go home Jewish Chronicle you're drunk.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Both sides are as bad as each other in that the labour left need to split like yesterday. There’s no saving labour this time. We need a new party. It's this. The party is dead, it cannot be saved, it's rotten to the core. Scunnered to hear Jackie Bailie, possibly the single worst person in ScotLab & MSP for Faslane has kept her seat. Jackson Carlaw too, but that's less of a surprise because Newton Mearns is the closest thing Scotland has to those loving dreadful Cotswolds places like Chipping Norton
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sebzilla posted:Full Corbyn interview on Channel 4 More than ever the treatment of Corbyn by the media and the right wing elements of labour makes my blood boil. The fact that they are trying to pin this catasrophic result on him, rather than reconizing that they spit in the face of the socialists, is just another reason to tell them all to gently caress off forever. The problem though, is that when the left is this divided, we basically abandon all hope of ever seeing our people in power, especially while the majority of the public is enthralled to the press and believes everything they say. I honestly dont see a solution to this other than waiting for all the gammon to die out...
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crispix posted:yeah the labour right is an inoperable tumor imo This is why it's hard to feel badly about any current Labour MPs or councillors losing their seats. Aside from a small handful of good ones, having less of the fuckers around is only going to make it easier to take back control of the party if the opportunity ever arises.
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Azza Bamboo posted:The momentum in Europe is toward green parties coming out of nowhere. It might be that we could get our entryism in now and seize the green apparatus. It's not a certain bet; there are no certain bets. With the Labour party turbo hosed, though, there's votes and political loyalties not being used that might as well be spent on a punt like this. Both would be ideal. SCG + Greens with union support. Sitting MPs and councillors, solid ground game, decent finances. Shame the SCG are such making GBS threads loyal cowards.
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As a resident of Dumbarton: gently caress. (Still don't regret not voting though, the SNP don't give any more or less of a gently caress about Dumbarton than Labour do, and a pile of rancid shite could run here with a red rosette and win).
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1390766477997920259?s=19 Anyway I did a projection based on number of MPs elected yesterday & it turned out a whopping 650 seat majority for the Tories e: I just double checked the overall results so far & I think this might be a bit creative with the truth Borrovan fucked around with this message at 23:17 on May 7, 2021 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1390766477997920259?s=19 I have no idea what 'left wing Lab coup' could mean in this context, unless he thinks Corbs and the other 10 or so left MPs are going to do an actual Bolshevism.
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sebzilla posted:Both would be ideal. SCG + Greens with union support. Sitting MPs and councillors, solid ground game, decent finances. I think that's a little unfair. The SCG - well at least the older members - feel with some justification that the Labour Party rightfully belongs to them and that abandoning it to the Fabians and the assorted Red Tories would be a betrayal of the people that set up the party. There's undoubtedly some degree of fear of the outright wilderness but to someone like Corbyn, protege of Tony Benn and a member for over 50 years, letting the Henry Jackson mutants run riot in *his* party would be the worst possible outcome. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 23:26 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 23:22
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I'm reminded of John Rock telling a detractor "Young man, don't you sell my church short." when questioned about whether his life's work was going against his religion. His Church sold him short.
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1390787735993135113 i think they should tbh. with bicorn hats and muskets like that jersey nutter
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i wonder if the bicorn hat will ever come back into fashion i have never worn one, but i've always looked silly in any kind of hat i have tried on. just don't have the head for hats
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Why did they move from the bicorn to the tricorn and stop there? What about dodecacorn hats?
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May 7, 2021 23:34
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Eventually you just end up with a bowler.
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May 7, 2021 23:37
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OwlFancier posted:Eventually you just end up with a bowler.
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There was a dude at work the other day wearing a black suit and a cowboy hat. Cool looking dude, I wish I could wear hats.
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I saw a guy in that getup in court once, turned out he nonced his sister
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1390787735993135113 The man is a dipshit fear peddler, he's been done for libel more than any other journalist in the UK.
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I mean I thought it was a cool outfit at first, went right off the whole cowboy look by the end though
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