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I think part of the problem is none of the labour right want to be the figurehead for trying to "fix" the party but we'll see. Kieth is a useful patsy for doing all the stuff they want done and he's nowhere near finished doing the job
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genericnick posted:I mean, I don't even disagree in principle that leaving the EU would have been worth it with a plan, but Corbyn's Labour couldn't have done it. And for the simple reason that Corbyn and the people around him could take nearly unlimited amounts of punishment themselves, but leaving the EU without still running your economy along EU rules, meaning for the benefit of your local and not so local oligarchs, means inflicting quite a lot of intermediate pain on your constituents. And I don't think they'd have been ready to do that. Like despite half a decade of drama I'm not sure that Brexit UK now has meaningfully more leeway for industrial policy than before and I fear it wouldn't have arrived at vastly better terms even under Corbyn. Yeah, the paradox of leaving the EU is that the best way to do it is with a socialist state that can weather that pain, but also the EU isn't gonna let you be a socialist state. So you get Brexit instead. I on the other hand, would simply not join the EU.
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Jose posted:I think part of the problem is none of the labour right want to be the figurehead for trying to "fix" the party but we'll see. Kieth is a useful patsy for doing all the stuff they want done and he's nowhere near finished doing the job What can the Labour right even "do" as a party permanently out of government? Other than having sweet no-show jobs.
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May 12, 2021 15:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What can the Labour right even "do" as a party permanently out of government? Other than having sweet no-show jobs. all they want is sweet no-show jobs that they can use to get jobs as a lobbyist for the gambling industry or similar. the big reason they hated corbyn was that he threatened to derail the gravy train for them. also that most of them were left wing at one point and sold out and he never did and lucked into being an extremely popular leader of the labour party if not popular in the wider uk David graeber wrote a great article about it https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/13/the-center-blows-itself-up-care-and-spite-in-the-brexit-election/
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May 12, 2021 15:58
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CoolCab posted:we can attack ideas, even the structure and foundational generation for ideas, without attacking each other. i am laying out a very precise critique and sometimes those aren't inherently conciliatory - even actively resistant. sometimes we believe conflicting things and we need to get a little rowdy with our discourse. But what do we do to combat all this? (E: and by this I mean the mistreatment of both the EU own poor citizens and the horrible things the EU does to refugees from the global south.) Because a lot of the parties in my country (the Netherlands) that seek to break from the EU are either fash or socialist but close the borders to the people who need our help. Making the EU a sort of new nationalism for the Northern countries and leaving the south and eastern EU to be exploited or turned into the new gypsies (ie. It's OK to be racist towards them they're lazy thieves) is not going to help anyone. Do we break up the ECB? Or do we hope the EU collapses in on itself and start a new. The fash is already among us so it's not as if the EU as a project is any sort of buffer against that. Neo-libs will always go for austerity no matter how much proof there is it doesn't work. I mean Britain has now left and there's already posturing over fish. This might be better to put in the EU thread actually, sorry guys. An insane mind has issued a correction as of 16:09 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 16:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What can the Labour right even "do" as a party permanently out of government? Other than having sweet no-show jobs. Marcus Rashford has aptly demonstrated what even somebody not in power can do to force discussion of issues and change government position
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May 12, 2021 16:25
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Mr. Lobe posted:They will never forgive him for inspiring the proles to hope for anything above their station like with bernie, they hate him for telling people they should expect more from their party/government
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May 12, 2021 16:35
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An insane mind posted:But what do we do to combat all this? vote change - vote keith  in awe at the sheer electability
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May 12, 2021 17:05
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May 12, 2021 17:08
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May 12, 2021 17:08
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euphronius posted:what ever happened to Cameron buggered off, smart man honestly
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CoolCab posted:buggered off, smart man honestly I thought he buggered a hogshead?
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May 12, 2021 17:16
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An insane mind posted:I thought he buggered a hogshead? that too. and the nation, really.
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May 12, 2021 17:17
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euphronius posted:what do the lib dems do ? S K I L L S W A L L E T S
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May 12, 2021 17:29
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Jose posted:welcome back m8
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May 12, 2021 17:29
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Not sure this is the "kier did lots of needless convictions as dpp" example I would have gone with myself https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1392452185624043525
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May 12, 2021 17:36
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euphronius posted:what ever happened to Cameron He's currently being investigated for being the only guy dumb enough to get caught for illegal lobbying lol
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May 12, 2021 18:38
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shirts and skins posted:S
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May 12, 2021 19:06
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Kaveman posted:Wait.. So you still need a drivers license or passport to get the electoral ID card? What's the point then It's vote suppression with a veneer of accessibility to make it seem legit. People who never need to apply for one, because they already have photo ID, don't know the details on how to get one. But they know it's there as a "free" option for the plebs, so that makes voter ID OK. It all stemmed from a perceived idea that Sinn Fein were helping people commit wide scale voter fraud. The phrase "vote early and vote often" was bandied around amidst accusations that they were organising busloads of people to tour polling stations to vote at each one. It was all BS. I'm no fan of Sinn Fein but all they were doing was encouraging people to register early, reaching out to disenfranchised voters, and arranging transport to/from polling stations for people who might not otherwise have been able to vote.
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May 12, 2021 22:12
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Is Corbyn still politically active at all beyond you know when people ask his opinion? It seems so ghoulish to keep blaming a man who is as far from the levers of power as is possible. Did he join a different party?
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May 12, 2021 22:58
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An insane mind posted:Is Corbyn still politically active at all beyond you know when people ask his opinion? It seems so ghoulish to keep blaming a man who is as far from the levers of power as is possible. he is still a labour MP technically (he was un-suspended from the party) but with no whip so counts as an independent but still: https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1390244482801668096
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May 12, 2021 23:01
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An insane mind posted:Is Corbyn still politically active at all beyond you know when people ask his opinion? It seems so ghoulish to keep blaming a man who is as far from the levers of power as is possible. https://twitter.com/broseph_stalin/status/1392219776785817600?s=19 This is what he was doing yesterday.
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May 12, 2021 23:04
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Yeah Corbyn was always a better activist than leader basically, so he's gone back to what he's good at.
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It was his history as an activist that got people so excited back in 2015, he wasn't another suit, so of course the people around him did the best to run away from that UPS and just make him another politician who won't give a straight answer.
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May 12, 2021 23:29
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May 12, 2021 23:32
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euphronius posted:why did they suspend Corbyin from the party ???? antisemetic jeremy corbins was going to restart the holocaust in the UK
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euphronius posted:why did they suspend Corbyin from the party ???? Because when the EHRC report was published he commented that the so-called 'anti-semitism crisis' in the Labour Party had been exaggerated bigly. Which it had. He also condemned all genuine anti-semitism yet again for the nth time as n-> infinity.
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euphronius posted:why did they suspend Corbyin from the party ???? He and the left he represented was holding the party back from electoral domination. Now that he is gone the party has killdozered over the Tories and is now in complete control, god bless the queen and the god, inshallah
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They had to reinstate him, causing their devastating losses in Hartlepool.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Because when the EHRC report was published he commented that the so-called 'anti-semitism crisis' in the Labour Party had been exaggerated bigly. Which it had. That's a very understated way of describing the most extensive and sustained media campaign of vilification that I've seen in my lifetime lol. When Corbyn nearly won in 2017, it really rattled the Establishment and they moved into total war against Corbyn and all he represented. Think of Bernie Sanders during the Dem leadership race and all the ludicrous stuff that was thrown at him, rhen multiply it by 100. It was actually quite eerie to see the Establishment go so mask-off and for me it was a painful lesson in just how brutal and ruthless they can be in defending their power. Anyway, in the aftermath of all that, Corbyn said that while he regretted any genuine anti-semitism that had taken place, the whole thing was all just a teeny bit over the top, for which he was promptly suspended by Starmer. For those of us who supported Corbyn, there's a bitter vindication when we see him still campaigning with sincerity and dignity, whereas Starmer's been left with no dignity or credibility at all. That was my rant for the day, hope you all liked it 
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what i heard was that the report said it was all overblown and corbyn said "yeah this report says it was all overblown" and keir suspended him from the party because he knew the press would print headlines that said "corbyn suspended from party after damning antisemitism report released"
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May 13, 2021 07:09
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https://mobile.twitter.com/martinkettle/status/1392746038595829763 Good news guys, turns out everything is fine
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May 13, 2021 10:50
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May 13, 2021 11:05
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gonadic io posted:Blah blah blah vaccine bounce blah ukip votes Blah blah blah labour is fine actually blah blah blah Jeremy Corbyn or JAM HITLER??
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May 13, 2021 11:09
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euphronius posted:what ever happened to Cameron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gz6mZYxS0A
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I don't watch TV or even own one but I hope someone called in pretending to be the ghost of David Kelly
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