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Motronic posted:I'm voting for "electrician only changed the outlets and did nothing else." Same. The odd thing is that the problem we had had, which was that running the microwave and the air conditioner simultaneously tripped the breaker, stopped.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Same. The odd thing is that the problem we had had, which was that running the microwave and the air conditioner simultaneously tripped the breaker, stopped. Likely due to the outlet for the AC being trashed and high resistance either on the actual outlet/plug connection or the outlet's connection to the wiring. Outlets absolutely do go bad and a lot of is has to do with the number of times stuff has been plugged/unplugged as well as simple age/filth/corrosion.
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May 16, 2021 22:24
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Also don't use the stab connectors. I've seen many a charred outlet because someone was doing it the easy/fast way.
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May 16, 2021 22:53
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Allegedly the electrician for my house didn't connect the AC wires to the furnace so the unit outside never turned on. Called the builder to come down and he was like, "he always does this" What? Is this the pranks? It's gonna be 30C tomorrow and around there over the next few days. I don't need these pranks.
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May 16, 2021 23:26
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Vintersorg posted:Allegedly the electrician for my house didn't connect the AC wires to the furnace so the unit outside never turned on. Called the builder to come down and he was like, "he always does this" What? Is this the pranks? It's gonna be 30C tomorrow and around there over the next few days. I don't need these pranks. The bonus to that is now you know for sure there was never a proper startup done. Are the pressures/refrigerant level gonna be right? Who knows! You should demand a proper HVAC pro to come do the system startup and confirm everything.
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May 16, 2021 23:31
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Motronic posted:Likely due to the outlet for the AC being trashed and high resistance either on the actual outlet/plug connection or the outlet's connection to the wiring. I'd be worried he changed the breaker out to a higher current one, say a 30A on 12ga, that should run the AC and some kitchen appliances.
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Elviscat posted:I'd be worried he changed the breaker out to a higher current one, say a 30A on 12ga, that should run the AC and some kitchen appliances. Ohhhh...yeah, I didn't think about outright unsafe poo poo like that. And I really should have. So...Arsenic Lupin......you might just want to take a look at which breaker that is and make sure it's not......I'm gonna guess here based on no grounds.....more than a 15.
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Check out the tilework in my new house! Somebody ran out of sponges, or upper-body strength PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 17, 2021 |
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PainterofCrap posted:Somebody ran out of sponges, or upper-body strength Got the grout on, I'll just crack a beer while it sets up enough to sponge. *24 beers later* 
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Blistex posted:Also don't use the stab connectors. I've seen many a charred outlet because someone was doing it the easy/fast way. If I am making an electrical connection that is meant to last longer than a day, I solder and tape. No wire nuts ever
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The Bloop posted:If I am making an electrical connection that is meant to last longer than a day, I solder and tape. No wire nuts ever In....uh....residential?  fakeedit: have you heard the word of our lord wago
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The Bloop posted:If I am making an electrical connection that is meant to last longer than a day, I solder and tape. No wire nuts ever On house wiring? Because solder and tape is not a code compliant splicing method anymore.
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SyNack Sassimov posted:In....uh....residential? Anywhere. My dad was an electrician and a very belt and suspenders type guy Everything gets rear end-and-a-halfed (He was not a residential electrician by trade, no. Shipyard) Not like I do a lot of wiring lately. I've rented for twenty years
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This is one of those things where you're spending way more time and effort to do things in a way that you think is better, but it's still just wrong (for resi wiring).
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SyNack Sassimov posted:In....uh....residential? Are waygos generally considered to be pretty good? I’ve been using them around the house instead of wire nuts and they seem perfectly fine, but my neighbor thinks they’re going to burn my house down. He’s an old crank so I haven’t been too worried but it’s always good to get a second opinion
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Name brand Wagos are fine, knockoffs like the ones Ideal makes are horrible and might burn your house down. E: because Wagos use a lever to ensure a solid mechanical connection, other push-to-connects are spring pressure only and I've seen them burn open on short circuits without tripping the breaker (on a reputable panel, not like a Stab-Lok) multiple times, they work on the same principle as the "back-stabber" outlets of infamy. Elviscat fucked around with this message at 03:57 on May 17, 2021 |
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May 17, 2021 03:54
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I really hate them for solid to solid connections, but they're great when using stranded wire or for pigtailing light fixtures to solid wire.
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kastein posted:I really hate them for solid to solid connections, but they're great when using stranded wire or for pigtailing light fixtures to solid wire. I'd rather a good twist and a marette for solid to solid connection too, but sometimes a Wago gives you the extra space you need in a box and even more importantly can save/extend a wire cut too short. I've got a box of various sizes that come out when I need a dirty trick.
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kastein posted:I really hate them for solid to solid connections, but they're great when using stranded wire or for pigtailing light fixtures to solid wire. Light fixtures are all I’ve been using them (name brand lever type) for — sounds like I’m okay but it’s not time to throw out my wire nuts
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:sounds like I’m okay but it’s not time to throw out my wire nuts Definitely not. Even if just for cost purposes. But i think a properly mechanically connected and then wire nutted connection is basically still the time -tested standard.
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I will admit, as much as I hate them, I still used the included push-to-connects when they were included in can lights. And yeah, definitely invaluable for getting a connection to the 1" of wire some rear end in a top hat left in a box.
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Motronic posted:Ohhhh...yeah, I didn't think about outright unsafe poo poo like that. And I really should have. Thanks for suggesting I look. Every circuit in the house, except the dryer and the garage store opener, is on a 20-amp breaker.
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Elviscat posted:I will admit, as much as I hate them, I still used the included push-to-connects when they were included in can lights. Lights are ok. It's outlets that are bad because they make and break contact when plugging and unplugging stuff. That results in sparking, degredation, and corrosion which will cause it to fail prematurely.
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Motronic posted:Definitely not. Even if just for cost purposes. But i think a properly mechanically connected and then wire nutted connection is basically still the time -tested standard. Isn't the US/Canada pretty much the only place where wire nuts are allowed?
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Phanatic posted:Isn't the US/Canada pretty much the only place where wire nuts are allowed? If they're properly tightened, taped, and within a enclosure that's clamped on the non-stripped wire and well tightened to a stud, it should never be an issue.
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Phanatic posted:Isn't the US/Canada pretty much the only place where wire nuts are allowed? also true for truck nuts
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Empty Sandwich posted:also true for truck nuts Truck nuts are invaluable in identifying people you should never interact with.
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Phanatic posted:Isn't the US/Canada pretty much the only place where wire nuts are allowed? Yes, I believe so. Here, we've always used these that tighten down with screws, you can get a really solid connection:  You snip off however many you need for what you're doing, and they fit onto holders in standard junction boxes. For smaller connections, these are used, or single-hole versions if you're just connecting two smaller wires together:  Wago-style lever connectors have become popular, but they're significantly more expensive. Crimped connections are also technically OK for 230V, but I don't like them. Blistex posted:If they're properly tightened, taped, and within a enclosure that's clamped on the non-stripped wire and well tightened to a stud, it should never be an issue. 
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They are only Marrettes if they are from the Sault Ste. Marie region of Canada, otherwise they're just Sparking Wire Nuts.
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Wago connectors are a life saver if you’re trying to install fat rear end smart light switches into an already crowded junction box.
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rambling discussion over 10 years, but this info is interesting: https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/10144/why-are-wire-nuts-not-used-in-the-uk looks as though it's a matter of preference rather than code.
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 Do you think it was genetics that made someone do this? Possibly in their genes?
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 this is so goddamned stupid and i love it.
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GreenNight posted:
When Jay Leno does your remodel
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Youth Decay posted:https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/485-Park-St-Peterborough-ON-K9H-4R5/2071171368_zpid/ How about this "fall down the stairs and straight out a second story window" 
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Didn't even use raw denim smdh
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n0tqu1tesane posted:How about this "fall down the stairs and straight out a second story window" I see Grover moved on to new pastures of design.
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SkyeAuroline posted:I see Grover moved on to new pastures of design. Motherfucker, i wanted to say that. Easily my favourite feature of the Groverhaus.
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Blistex posted:If they're properly tightened, taped, and within a enclosure that's clamped on the non-stripped wire and well tightened to a stud, it should never be an issue. You shouldn't be taping wire nuts, you should strip them to an appropriate length so the skirt covers any exposed conductor, the wire nut is just a spring to ensure the wires stay tightly twisted and an insulated covering. They're an excellent wire connection method when used properly. Blistex posted:Lights are ok. It's outlets that are bad because they make and break contact when plugging and unplugging stuff. That results in sparking, degredation, and corrosion which will cause it to fail prematurely. Not really, the problem with outlets is the larger loads (think space heater) create more heat which fatigues the spring, causing more heat etc. Plugging and unplugging stuff shouldn't effect the backstabs, however, the spring contacts on the outlet part are much, much beefier than the ones in the back for the wiring method, which maybe should have given the designers pause. KozmoNaut posted:Yes, I believe so. Those chocolate-block style connectors are really awesome, and I wish they were common in the US. I think they're better than wire nuts.
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