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fun fact I learned today while working on Onan's Streak, Trisagion hurts you with every shot 
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I'm drunk and just beat the Beast with Tainted Lost AMA
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Jul 17, 2021 04:14
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scourgeofthe7bees posted:How do you beat Greedier mode with Jacob and Esau? i always get caught on rocks i can’t see because there’s a million enemies on the screen I just did it by getting slice and dice, slicing the two Esaus in half, and killing them. Doing it that way doesn't make you a ghost.
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Jul 17, 2021 04:22
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GrandmaParty posted:I just did it by getting slice and dice, slicing the two Esaus in half, and killing them. Doing it that way doesn't make you a ghost. I‘m not playing the tainted one, so unfortunately i can’t murder the albatross
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Jul 17, 2021 06:21
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I have played for 200 hours, unlocked 339 achievements, and I have never gotten the Guppy transformation.
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Jul 17, 2021 17:47
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bees x1000 posted:I have played for 200 hours, unlocked 339 achievements, and I have never gotten the Guppy transformation. it’s quite a bit harder now with the larger item pool. i think i’ve only gotten it once or twice since it came out
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Jul 17, 2021 22:20
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More to the point, the combination of devil room nerfs and the new mechanic that incentivizes you to not go into the first devil room you see (and makes them less likely thereafter if you play your cards right) make it so that you go into Devil rooms less often, which means you don't see Guppy items as often or as early.
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Jul 17, 2021 22:29
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  Completely no-hit the Greed/Ultra Greed fight without a holy card shield
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Jul 18, 2021 07:02
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Have they said anything about a patch to fix up their to-do list like the unfinished tainted?
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Jul 18, 2021 13:08
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Just pick up the left hand and start going into curse rooms and you'll Gupp in no time
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Jul 18, 2021 14:03
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Crackbone posted:Have they said anything about a patch to fix up their to-do list like the unfinished tainted? I think they consider all the characters complete lol
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Jul 18, 2021 15:47
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TIL Night Light is a trap item on a Beast run. Slowing down bits of bullet patterns can make things nearly impossible to dodge in the final fight.
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Jul 18, 2021 17:48
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Sharkitten posted:I think they consider all the characters complete lol They've already cut the idea of unique locusts for Tainted Polly
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Jul 18, 2021 17:50
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lazarus isn’t finished and eden is like just a really poorly thought out but otherwise i think the tainted characters are fine? like i don’t like playing as some of them but that’s to be expected
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Jul 18, 2021 17:57
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bees x1000 posted:TIL Night Light is a trap item on a Beast run. Slowing down bits of bullet patterns can make things nearly impossible to dodge in the final fight. It’s a trap item in general. They modified the tear mechanics such that speed and distance are no longer intertwined. So whenever you slow down enemy tears now they ONLY go slower- they’re still guaranteed to go the same distance. In effect it just makes them stay on the screen way longer as they won’t disappear until they reach their full distance. Obviously this is a nightmare for any bullet-hell boss
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Jul 18, 2021 18:16
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For real? I didn't know about the mechanics change. What a terrible item.
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Jul 18, 2021 18:19
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I mean if you've got a slow moving blocking orbital or bullet pushing item then Night Light gives you plenty of time to sweep yourself a safe path, so really it's like a lot of shop items in that its usefulness is circumstantial.
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Jul 18, 2021 18:40
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watho posted:lazarus isn’t finished and eden is like just a really poorly thought out but otherwise i think the tainted characters are fine? like i don’t like playing as some of them but that’s to be expected Several of them (specifically Lazarus, Eve, and Cain) have straight up nonfunctional unlocks for beating Delirium. Also Birthright doesn't work on some of them, but that also applies to some of the pre-Repentance characters too.
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Jul 18, 2021 19:40
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they've outright said that another update at least will be coming targeted towards the non-figurative unfinished stuff + i imagine at least part of the time between the last update and now is because they were focusing efforts onto the board game kickstarter
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Jul 18, 2021 20:05
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Slows no longer affecting shot range is an engine overhaul in Repentance. It also ends up making it so that shot speed isn't a second range stat. Room wide slows are still great, but yeah partial slows can gently caress you over since it causes bullets to overlap more often in bullet hell bosses (which is basically every single final boss.)
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Jul 18, 2021 21:23
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And even then they can gently caress you up. I popped a drowsy pill while fighting Hush and apparently it doesn't work against his homing tear pillar attacks, that was fun.
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Jul 18, 2021 22:16
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I don't like how fiddly and time-wasting it is to optimally ferry trinkets to the appropriate cracked key rooms.
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Jul 19, 2021 01:11
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bees x1000 posted:I don't like how fiddly and time-wasting it is to optimally ferry trinkets to the appropriate cracked key rooms. This is true, but I'd say that on most runs where I get to The Beast, I beat The Beast, and it's really unlikely that getting lucky with some good poo poo from a couple extra red rooms during the ascent would change things either way. You're right that it is optimal though -- and not saying that it's good design, but one of the choices you definitely get faced with sometimes in Isaac is "how much of your time are you willing to waste in order to be slightly more optimal?"
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Jul 19, 2021 06:25
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Saigyouji posted:Several of them (specifically Lazarus, Eve, and Cain) have straight up nonfunctional unlocks for beating Delirium. Also Birthright doesn't work on some of them, but that also applies to some of the pre-Repentance characters too. oh yeah there’s tons of unfinished unlocks but that’s different to me than the character itself being unfinished. that might be a minor distinction but i don’t have any problem with playing a feature complete character and getting unlocks that aren’t implemented, i would prefer if they were but i don’t need the extrinsic reward to keep playing. that’s different than playing as a half baked character slog
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Jul 19, 2021 09:51
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IIRC, didn't the devs just straight-out say at some point that future updates would involve finishing Tainted Lazarus, Apollyon, and Keeper since they're just kinda placeholders they didn't have time to finish working on?
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Jul 19, 2021 10:35
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Edmund stated that they considered Tainted Apollyon finished, but I think there's hope for tainted laz and maybe Eden Never heard about Tainted Keeper being considered unfinished though. He seems done, and is one of my favorite taints too!
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Jul 19, 2021 10:41
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It was Lazarus and Apollyon, though there seemed to be some communication mishap over the latter, since different dev team members had different things to say about his state. Tainted Keeper absolutely did not fall under that. He’s very much feature complete and balanced properly. They did say Tainted Jacob might get a buff, though don’t count on it.
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Jul 19, 2021 10:53
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tainted jacob is super hard but in a way that at least feels consistent and deliberate. giving tainted esau boss armor would help a lot tho
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Jul 19, 2021 11:18
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goferchan posted:This is true, but I'd say that on most runs where I get to The Beast, I beat The Beast, and it's really unlikely that getting lucky with some good poo poo from a couple extra red rooms during the ascent would change things either way. You're right that it is optimal though -- and not saying that it's good design, but one of the choices you definitely get faced with sometimes in Isaac is "how much of your time are you willing to waste in order to be slightly more optimal?" Yeah but it's so boring. It should be changed to 'any trinkets left on the ground will spawn cracked keys in the corresponding ascent level boss room'. Cut out all the pointless work for the player. speaking of optimal time wasting, I had an Eden run start with Brown Nugget last night and that item can get very silly if you're patient enough.
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Jul 19, 2021 16:21
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Jul 19, 2021 16:22
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not sure how that would work since the boss and item rooms are the only things that stay consistent during the ascent
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Jul 19, 2021 16:22
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watho posted:tainted jacob is super hard but in a way that at least feels consistent and deliberate. giving tainted esau boss armor would help a lot tho Yeah my big issue with tainted Jacob is that esau dies almost instantly when you get to womb+ so you're basically playing worse lost
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Jul 19, 2021 16:27
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Honestly just get rid of the trinket > red key thing once you’ve unlocked the tainted character, and make cracked keys a normal pickup drop so people could still save them for inner child if wanted. Feels unnecessary.
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Jul 19, 2021 19:56
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^that's an even better idea.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:07
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or they change nothing and you just play the game normally because no one’s forcing you at gunpoint to turn every single possible trinket into a cracked key
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Jul 19, 2021 20:17
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Yeah I don’t bother beyond the first. What’s the point? Every cracked key after the first just gives you more rooms and therefore more room drops, and I’m not usually hurting for those during the Ascent.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:19
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Red/cracked keys can give you treasure rooms. I've gotten some really good stuff through them.
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Jul 19, 2021 20:22
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i just had 3 planetariums show up in a row lmfao
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Jul 19, 2021 20:41
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bees x1000 posted:Red/cracked keys can give you treasure rooms. I've gotten some really good stuff through them. Oh that’s interesting. I once got 20 or so trinkets into a boss room and I tried using all those keys during the ascent. After about 15 new rooms all I had was a bunch of worthless pickups and a few blue hearts less than when I started, and the novelty had worn off. Overall I’d say it probably isn’t optimal to maximize your cracked keys because the amount of time you’re putting into maybe getting a couple more treasure rooms for that run could instead be put toward future runs, which will be more productive.
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Jul 19, 2021 21:14
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Yeah the ultra secret room always has an item iirc
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