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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqc04Eu03cA

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Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

SlothfulCobra posted:


The original star trek consoles look a lot more believable when you look at them with those in mind. The readout screens are more bullshit and they have some kind of fixation with making things more colorful and giving exotic shapes to some of the buttons/lights, but that's understandable since they were trying to show off that weird fancy new color TV. I think one of the weirder controls are those twin sliders on the transporter, but it does make for some interesting looking scenes of Scotty moving them around.



And of course it usually wasn't Scotty sliding them; it was his hand double, for the man had given the Nazis the finger at D-Day

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



dr_rat posted:

Lack of labeling on the buttons when there is so few isn't that much of a big deal. Qualified professional could trivially memories each of those. What I would say is unrealistic is the amount of information they are getting from their displays for when they push those buttons.

Who among us couldn't determine the exact working order of a complex machine like a transporter from a series of unlabeled flashing lights and rectangles?

MikeJF posted:

They actually did do a guide for actors for TMP on what everything was, it's here.

That's the library computer memory activity readout apparently. Why you'd really need that taking up half the science station I don't know. :shrug:

Thanks, that's actually pretty cool! I'm a nerd for detailed technical details like this.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Admiralty Flag posted:

And of course it usually wasn't Scotty sliding them; it was his hand double, for the man had given the Nazis the finger at D-Day

I never understood why Doohan was sensitive about that.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Flotter fuckin rules tho

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Khanstant posted:

Flotter fuckin rules tho

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
trevis stans are so loving obnoxious

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

In the films, Spock has what looks like an ongoing game of Dr. Mario in several panels:



Does anyone know what the orange display is supposed to be? I've always wondered.

Spock's the science officer right? It's a game of life for various mathematic/genetics testing, imo.

Brute Squad
Dec 20, 2006

Laughter is the sun that drives winter from the human race

Brawnfire posted:

There really should have been a tradition of space shanties, every time we open on the bridge at least a couple people are drumming on a console and intoning "she was a lass from a faraway world the dusky beauty of a Risian girl with her horgahn out and top pulled down I lost my heart in a Risian town" or some poo poo, Riker's all HO HO, WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, OUT TO THE BLACK IS WHERE WE MUST GO, YEOMEN ALL AT THE HELM OF THIS SCOW AND THE STARS WILL GUIDE US TO DISTANT SHORES

be careful what you wish for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjxMieuRPe4

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I can't find a good video of it but the Expanse used a cover of an old sea shanty really well

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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StashAugustine posted:

I can't find a good video of it but the Expanse used a cover of an old sea shanty really well

Aha, I knew I had a space shanties seed planted in me somewhere!

Poor Klaes Ashford...

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Sing, Worf, sing

Edit: Just realizing how out-of-character it was for Worf not to sing with Picard to save his friend. Sandbagging during karaoke is without honor!

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Brawnfire posted:

There really should have been a tradition of space shanties, every time we open on the bridge at least a couple people are drumming on a console and intoning "she was a lass from a faraway world the dusky beauty of a Risian girl with her horgahn out and top pulled down I lost my heart in a Risian town" or some poo poo, Riker's all HO HO, WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, OUT TO THE BLACK IS WHERE WE MUST GO, YEOMEN ALL AT THE HELM OF THIS SCOW AND THE STARS WILL GUIDE US TO DISTANT SHORES

I could have sworn Klingons have been portrayed doing sea shanties as they ride into battle.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Nitrousoxide posted:

I could have sworn Klingons have been portrayed doing sea shanties as they ride into battle.

Maybe from the Star Trek: Klingon FMV game?

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Angry_Ed posted:

Maybe from the Star Trek: Klingon FMV game?

Lol yep,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTVzwjEyb4

also DS9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740Eo5J7S7g

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006



I don't have anything to use this on but you all need it.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Not a chance.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.

Nitrousoxide posted:

I could have sworn Klingons have been portrayed doing sea shanties as they ride into battle.

Yeah there's more than one remark in the show that Klingon's sing constantly on their ship I think it's Bashir talking to Miles about being on a Klingon ship.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?



Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

This is the wrong franchise, but:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2wst6t95c

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011


I think the spirit of sea shanties got a little lost because of how much they were focusing on the whole noble warrior nature of Klingons, and it's just a slow war chant, but the willingness to jump into Klingon music was a big part of what really got a lot of Klingon culture fleshed out.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

SlothfulCobra posted:

I imagine somebody in the days before common computers just glazing their eyes over when looking at a keyboard as just a sea of buttons as well,

You mean, before typewriters, I assume.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Winifred Madgers posted:

You mean, before typewriters, I assume.

No. Typewriters only did one thing. Computers were arcane to people who grew up in a time before they became common. The concept of typing a phrase and a complex series of actions being performed was pretty much a first in the history of the human race. We're talking about people who expected that in order to make a ship go, you needed to bark orders into an oily, sweaty room full of men who grunted and strained at valves, switches, and shouted orders through tubes. Your computer keyboard or phone would be completely alien to the typical person in the 1960s. Sure, they could figure out how to write (once you explained the concept of a mouse, of a desktop, and then how to click on notepad.exe) but it'd be an uphill struggle to show them hotkeys, macros, and configurations.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Computer keyboards went through a fair amount of changes from typewriters, but even aside from that, typewriters were never as common as keyboards later became. There was less proliferation of the technology, and there was even a dumb bullshit bias against using typewriters so that a lot of professionals would just have typists instead of doing typing themselves, leaving the actual typewriter as a mysterious thing.

I'd assume that with all the cameras and microphones and lights on a TV set, there'd be some kinds of mysterious consoles full of buttons, switches, and sliders to control all of that that would be totally mysterious to any layman. Maybe even a box of fuses put someplace weird. I don't know anything about 60s TV though.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Oh man you have no idea. Early TV capture and transmission was using bleeding-edge technology. Analog TV was a very weird technology that is rapidly fading into an arcane mystery.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Arglebargle III posted:

Oh man you have no idea. Early TV capture and transmission was using bleeding-edge technology. Analog TV was a very weird technology that is rapidly fading into an arcane mystery.

Get a load of this poo poo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

M O U T H C O N T R O L

Bucswabe
May 2, 2009
I just watched TNG "Night Terrors" and I totally forgot that on top of all the psychological horror, it had this entire plot of Data basically being the only competent person in the room, and finishing peoples sentences for efficiency, and finally basically being in complete control of the ship, culminating in him ordering every single officer to bed. That is super bad rear end.

Also, given our real life experiences of the last couple years, can you imagine what it would be like to be those people freaking out in Ten Forward, suddenly hearing "this is acting captain Data reporting". I'd probably be ready to shoot the warp core, myself!

EDIT #2: now that I think about it, every member of the crew that isn't the main cast must be terrified of Data. Like, in Brothers, when he just straight up steals the ship. We the audience forgive Data because we know the whole story. The rest of the crew did not see any of that poo poo, and now think that the third in command, a one-in-existence Android with no emotions, is possibly out to kill them. "Why is he allowed to keep his command!?!" would be what I'm thinking in that situation.

Bucswabe fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Nov 7, 2021

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

SlothfulCobra posted:

Computer keyboards went through a fair amount of changes from typewriters, but even aside from that, typewriters were never as common as keyboards later became.

The funny thing about this is we still have typewriter ideas underlying our most widespread tech. HTTP officially uses a "carriage return" + "line feed" characters to denote a new line of text, and different operating systems and programs still argue over which combination of CR and LF to use for newline.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Also, when I hit "delete" it pastes a white square offset from and not obscuring the character I'm trying to delete

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Marx Headroom posted:

The funny thing about this is we still have typewriter ideas underlying our most widespread tech. HTTP officially uses a "carriage return" + "line feed" characters to denote a new line of text, and different operating systems and programs still argue over which combination of CR and LF to use for newline.

To be fair the double cr/lf is less about typewriter ideas and more was a hack to cover a lack of standardisation in teleprinters.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

SlothfulCobra posted:



Which is actually a panel from a real-world GE 635.


I always laugh at this specific shot because if not for the in-universe costumed hand on the left, it could have easily been a piece of stock footage in shot of “random high tech early 80s computer electrical control panel!”

It’s so weirdly out of place, even with that film having a bunch of extreme close ups of buttons and such otherwise, like the famously insane way to enter a numerical code when remotely lowering Reliant’s shields.

It really goes to show the genius of Okuda just printing back-lit transparencies and telling actors to pretend to push certain parts of it— especially in dead silence on the set as the sound effects were all added later but look completely tactile on screen.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

SlothfulCobra posted:

Of course Wrath of Khan also had a bunch of these things:



Which seems even more like an absurd collection of buttons, and that more seems to more resemble this device:



Yes, this was a deliberate design decision, although it was introduced in The Motion Picture.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Bucswabe posted:

I just watched TNG "Night Terrors" and I totally forgot that on top of all the psychological horror, it had this entire plot of Data basically being the only competent person in the room, and finishing peoples sentences for efficiency, and finally basically being in complete control of the ship, culminating in him ordering every single officer to bed. That is super bad rear end.

Also, given our real life experiences of the last couple years, can you imagine what it would be like to be those people freaking out in Ten Forward, suddenly hearing "this is acting captain Data reporting". I'd probably be ready to shoot the warp core, myself!

EDIT #2: now that I think about it, every member of the crew that isn't the main cast must be terrified of Data. Like, in Brothers, when he just straight up steals the ship. We the audience forgive Data because we know the whole story. The rest of the crew did not see any of that poo poo, and now think that the third in command, a one-in-existence Android with no emotions, is possibly out to kill them. "Why is he allowed to keep his command!?!" would be what I'm thinking in that situation.

How many other main characters get possessed at some point? If you kicked out everyone in Starfleet who ever got their brains messed with by aliens or space phenomena, you'd be unable to crew half the fleet in no time.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.
Stardate 44086.3 First Watch, First Bell security team briefing minutes (excerpted):

"Wait, you mean to tell me Lt. Commander Data hasn't been thrown in the brig?" - Ens. Donner

"It was a type 3 mental control scenario. He was taken over by an outside agent of known origin." -Lt. Worf

(everyone nods and moves onto the next order of business)

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Isn’t TNG like 28% “troi is possessed”, by content?

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Martytoof posted:

Isn’t TNG like 28% “troi is possessed”, by content?

Another 22% is Troi being possessed by her need to get laid.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
man in my rewatch really having a hard time accepting that Kira could possibly reciprocate the feelings of such a disgusting creature (a cop)

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.
They really sort of gloss over the fact that Odo should be seen by Kira and anyone else in the Resistance as a collaborator. The closest they come to addressing it is "Things Past", and that's such a weirdly structured episode that it really doesn't get a chance to examine it in any sort of depth.

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Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
There's a throwaway like at the beginning where the Bajoran delegation gave Odo an award and said something like "He worked for the Cardassians but he only served justice."

Also I don't really see a huge difference between Odo and any other branch of station/ship security. Worf looked like a kid on Christmas morning every time he escorted someone to the brig. Tuvok lobbied for the death penalty.

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