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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Like two weeks ago multiple posters ITT spent all day inventing an elaborate case that student loan forgiveness isn't going anywhere because it would be an electoral disaster for Democrats and other people chimed in with "ahh hmm yes, I have my own anecdotes that support this idea, the Democrats are wise to avoid this tricksy snare" That might have happened or it might not, but so many people spend times exaggerating arguments they remember so that they can make arguments about "this thread" that I don't believe you. Lib and let die posted:Literally cannot read. If you haven't read my posts today up to this point, why would I waste my time to type it all up again? I've provided examples of issues where Trump voter and left 'voter' interests overlap, provided a diagram, and you're still questioning. I must be illiterate then because that chart looks like it said "libertarians" not "fascists".
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skylined! posted:Ah right, read too quickly; this looks like it's for the IRS funding specifically. The Guardian has real-time updates. quote:The Congressional Budget Office is estimating that enacting Biden’s Build Back Better plan would result in a net increase in the deficit totaling $367b from 2022-2031 period.
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Doctor Butts posted:Mods now just flip flop between telling people just to ignore people making GBS threads all over the floor, or tell us to report them. Problem with reporting anyone is mods lack object permanence. So I guess we just have to deal with assholes making GBS threads up the thread all the time now. You appear to be confused, so here's a handy primer: That thing you're quote-replying to? That's a post. Posts aren't what happen if one ignores an alleged troll or uses the Report button. 
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socialsecurity posted:And yet half of what you post is doing the same thing with liberals? I don't get why we need to find common ground with fascists but tying to find common grounds with parts of the Democratic party makes you a monster because all ds.ate the same and if you try to day they aren't a monolith you get brigaded. Could you clarify any of this? I don't really understand what it's saying. I mainly lurk, and it really messed up the flow of what i'm reading here. Are you saying we shouldn't support the majority of the Democrats, and their leadership, whom seemingly work hardest to find common ground with fascists?
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Nov 19, 2021 00:28
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lol @ a forum where you get probated for pointing out someone is trolling (especially if it's a friend of a mod) perhaps the mods mshould talk among themselves about this and change that dumbass rule
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Nov 19, 2021 00:28
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350 billion over ten years WITHOUT tax enforcement? No wonder Pelosi's pushing the vote. 35 billion a year isn't even a drop in the bucket, its like the wetness on the inside of the dropped once you put in the last drop.
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Sanguinia posted:350 billion over ten years WITHOUT tax enforcement? No wonder Pelosi's pushing the vote. 35 billion a year isn't even a drop in the bucket, its like the wetness on the inside of the dropped once you put in the last drop. Ya, Yellen is even confident it will entirely pay for itself in its current iteration. Add back in the good poo poo that was stripped, damnt.
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Sanguinia posted:350 billion over ten years WITHOUT tax enforcement? No wonder Pelosi's pushing the vote. 35 billion a year isn't even a drop in the bucket, its like the wetness on the inside of the dropped once you put in the last drop. That's the deficit impact, not the cost. Herstory Begins Now posted:lol @ a forum where you get probated for pointing out someone is trolling (especially if it's a friend of a mod) whooooah that sounds like posting about posters which is the one sure way to get probated
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the_steve posted:You appear to be confused, so here's a handy primer: Maybe it's because "posting about posters" seems to be enforced very randomly and only against people you seem to personally disagree with, like why is this socialsecurity posted:Some thread/forum banned people were invited back to stir the same poo poo they used too. AmiYumi posted:Fancy Pelosi was a less obvious troll than this, and they got called out on their first page. posting about posters but this Lib and let die posted:You ally with them on things there's a common ground on. You are literally loving illiterate. gets ignored, you even probed a post right near this one so it's not a "I didn't see it" thing. Can we get clarification is it the personal insults that are allowed as long as you don't use the word troll?
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socialsecurity posted:Maybe it's because "posting about posters" seems to be enforced very randomly and only against people you seem to personally disagree with, like why is this CGIR likes to wait a day or so until the discussion has moved on to hit me with a longer probe than a 6er. Don't worry, I'll get mine.
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Inventing people to get mad at for not being punished enough.
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Jaxyon posted:I'm saying you're not quoting them because that's not a common argument here and there aren't posters you can quote saying that except for maybe one person. It seems like you're one of the very people saying the entire right is so fascist, racist, and irredeemable that to engage with them on anything as individuals is folly or perhaps even unethical. In fact you keep saying it while arguing with people who advocate policies and rhetoric that capture labor. quote:What common ground do you have with fascists, that doesn't require you accepting some of their fascism? quote:I must be illiterate then because that chart looks like it said "libertarians" not "fascists". Are people in here horny for fascist votes, or were we talking about half the electorate?
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the_steve posted:You appear to be confused, so here's a handy primer: gently caress you and die. I can't ignore your dumb rear end. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Peter Daou Zen posted:God , if only Russia hadn’t bought those Facebook ads , Hillary would have won . . It’s debatable. Pretty close election in the key states. Jill Stein is a narcissist, so maybe “useful idiot?”
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Nov 19, 2021 00:51
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Jaxyon posted:That might have happened or it might not, but so many people spend times exaggerating arguments they remember so that they can make arguments about "this thread" that I don't believe you. Weird that I never ascribed it to "this thread" but you chose to read it that way to make it about your own weird bugbear. I didn't say it was a prevailing or even popular opinion either. It did happen whether or not you believe it though  Herstory Begins Now posted:lol @ a forum where you get probated for pointing out someone is trolling (especially if it's a friend of a mod) Pretty loving rich of you to whine about it considering your own tenure as IK lol
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BRJohnson posted:Are people in here horny for fascist votes, or were we talking about half the electorate? Remember that half of the electorate is like 25% of the entire population. So yeah, I would comfortably say that 25% of the US is fascist or fascist-friendly. I think this tracks with history pretty well. Herstory Begins Now posted:lol @ a forum where you get probated for pointing out someone is trolling (especially if it's a friend of a mod)
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Baronash posted:Yo, I just want to make sure we both went through the same summer of 2020 and you didn't accidentally cross over from an alternate universe? Not only do I remember the summer of 2020, I also remember the J20 protests, where protesters gathered for the purpose of disrupting and shutting down the inauguration. Hundreds of people were arrested, and nearly two hundred were charged with "rioting", "incitement to riot", "conspiracy to riot", property destruction, and assault on police officers, a list of charges that could have equaled decades in prison. Prosecutors didn't have evidence that the individual defendants had personally engaged in any of those activities, but argued that it didn't matter what the defendants had done - they argued that just being present at the protests was sufficient guilt. Sounds not too different from the arguments folks are making here. Of course, that's some absolute bullshit as a legal theory right there, which is why every defendant who fought the case was acquitted, and the prosecutors eventually chose to drop the remaining charges rather than face even more defeats in the courtroom. And I feel the exact same way about the 1/6 poo poo. There's plenty of people who verifiably engaged in actual violence and brutality or had clear plans and preparations to do so. Send them to prison to decades, rather than trying to set a precedent that mere involvement in a riot is sufficient evidence to blame everyone involved for everything the riot did.
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In actual loving Current event news, it seems like the BBB is a go for reconciliation if Pelosi is pushing a vote tonight. Any news from the Progressive Caucus on their stance on this?
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Nov 19, 2021 00:56
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BRJohnson posted:It seems like you're one of the very people saying the entire right is so fascist, racist, and irredeemable that to engage with them on anything as individuals is folly or perhaps even unethical. In fact you keep saying it while arguing with people who advocate policies and rhetoric that capture labor. I'm not though, but you'd have to read back a few pages to capture the full discussion. 1. I don't think all of the right is fascists. 2. I don't think racism is genetic or unaddressable. 3. I do think that the 1/6 insurrection was an attempted coup, in a beer hall putsch sense. 4. I do not think the Dems are doing well or taking the danger seriously. 5. I do not think anyone is irredeemable. My argument is that several people are under-estimating the work needed to address the racism that is deeply entrenched in the right, and a lot of this comes off as naïve theorizing about how easily bamboozled conservatives are, and a belief that one need merely address class and then racism will be solved. We would have a better chance at convincing almost any group in America that isn't a self-identified conservative, and that's probably where we should start. Going after a group that contains more fascists than any other is pretty low percentage. TheIncredulousHulk posted:Weird that I never ascribed it to "this thread" but you chose to read it that way to make it about your own weird bugbear. I didn't say it was a prevailing or even popular opinion either. It did happen whether or not you believe it though Oh? TheIncredulousHulk posted:we see constant excuse theorycrafting here and elsewhere TheIncredulousHulk posted:Like two weeks ago multiple posters ITT spent all day Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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They're holding the BBB vote because they know Manchin and Sinema will kill it in the Senate, but this lets them tell the progressives "hey we agreed to bring it to a vote but we never said poo poo about the senate, now leave us alone"
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Nov 19, 2021 01:00
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TulliusCicero posted:In actual loving Current event news, it seems like the BBB is a go for reconciliation if Pelosi is pushing a vote tonight. She's bringing it to the floor so it's assumed they're all whipped in line. Take what you can get I guess. HonorableTB posted:They're holding the BBB vote because they know Manchin and Sinema will kill it in the Senate, but this lets them tell the progressives "hey we agreed to bring it to a vote but we never said poo poo about the senate, now leave us alone" I think the struggle at this point will be over paid leave - Manchin says no, Sinema said yesterday she wants it in. I think ultimately Manchin wins and they both fall in line.
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HonorableTB posted:They're holding the BBB vote because they know Manchin and Sinema will kill it in the Senate, but this lets them tell the progressives "hey we agreed to bring it to a vote but we never said poo poo about the senate, now leave us alone" Passing it in the House allows them to go on (another) week-long break. It's been hard work being back this week!
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Jaxyon posted:Oh? "Posters ITT" isn't the same thing as "the thread thinks" even if you really want it to be
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Willa Rogers posted:Passing it in the House allows them to go on (another) week-long break. It's been hard work being back this week! This bill might add $16b a year to the deficit! It's very concerning! We can't afford that sort of profligacy unless it's going to bullets! TheIncredulousHulk posted:"Posters ITT" isn't the same thing as "the thread thinks" even if you really want it to be The point is you're arguing against some sort of vague group of people instead of quoting actual posts and arguments. That gives you the freedom to exaggerate those arguments and engage with less nuance. Easy solution is to just quote the arguments you disagree with.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:lol @ a forum where you get probated for pointing out someone is trolling (especially if it's a friend of a mod) ooh, i know, we should open a feedback thread. that might help
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Jaxyon posted:1. I don't think all of the right is fascists. I totally agree. quote:We would have a better chance at convincing almost any group in America that isn't a self-identified conservative, and that's probably where we should start. Going after a group that contains more fascists than any other is pretty low percentage. Edit oops
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drat I have a heavily trolled thread to deal with here. oh well, i know what will fix it let's probate people who call out trolls!
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HonorableTB posted:They're holding the BBB vote because they know Manchin and Sinema will kill it in the Senate, but this lets them tell the progressives "hey we agreed to bring it to a vote but we never said poo poo about the senate, now leave us alone" The only reason I think Manchin won't kill it is the SALT provision. It's just lovely enough he'll want that passed somehow. Herstory Begins Now posted:drat I have a heavily trolled thread to deal with here. oh well, i know what will fix it Posting about posters!? Oh! Jail! Jail for Herstory Begins Now for a thousand years!
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Herstory Begins Now posted:drat I have a heavily trolled thread to deal with here. oh well, i know what will fix it you should go post a  QCS EMERGENCY thread about it(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HonorableTB posted:The Guardian has, uh, endorsed blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure. You love to see it There are also two reviews of a book on blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure in the most recent lrb: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n22/adam-tooze/ecological-leninism https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n22/james-butler/a-coal-mine-for-every-wildfire
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Herstory Begins Now posted:drat I have a heavily trolled thread to deal with here. oh well, i know what will fix it If only there was some sort of button you could push to Report people you thought were trolls. 
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plogo posted:There are also two reviews of a book on blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure in the most recent lrb: There was also something where the NYT had somebody talk positively about a radical book. I think it was on one of their podcasts, but google's too clogged with general NYT fossil fuel stories to tell me. Interesting turn.
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the_steve posted:If only there was some sort of button you could push to Report people you thought were trolls. i mean yall probing people for backseat modding while the front mod seat is empty
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the_steve posted:If only there was some sort of button you could push to Report people you thought were trolls. you are the Tesla autopilot of this thread and I thank you for your service
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:you are the Tesla autopilot of this thread and I thank you for your service not seeing liberals in the camera eye before running them down at 50 miles an hour and then hitting a wall and exploding in a lithium fire; this tracks
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Lib and let die posted:move thread to qcs, let smythe hand out judgements It's a chat thread with it's own culture that doesn't fit in with the rest of D&D, a sub focused on effort posts and making fact based evidence supported arguments. Move it to CCCC.
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D&D mods are like the Democrats: they don't do loving poo poo, when they do do something it's terrible and half-assed, and when they're eventually replaced it's always by someone infinitely worse  E: Not Greyjoy though, he's cool.
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the_steve posted:If only there was some sort of button you could push to Report people you thought were trolls. Why would anyone follow this advice, given the fact that an admitted troll was allowed to remain in the thread even though the mods opened a poll and that poll overwhelmingly voted to ban them?
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:There was also something where the NYT had somebody talk positively about a radical book. I think it was on one of their podcasts, but google's too clogged with general NYT fossil fuel stories to tell me. Interesting turn. I think everyone should read Kim Stanley Robinson's "Ministry for the Future". That book starts with a heat wave supercharged by climate change in the near future (like 2035) that kills something like 40 million Indians and it goes from there. Strongly featured is ecoterrorism to push the West into actually doing something about climate change and funnily enough nothing substantial happens until the UN's Ministry for the Future orders their black ops wing to assassinate fossil fuel executives and billionaires by blowing up their planes simultaneously because they were going to keep humanity locked onto fossil fuels. Obama said it was one of his favorite books of 2020 which is hilarious given he was more or less directly called out in that book for pursuing ineffectual and weak half-measures based on neoliberalism
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