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Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Lib and let die posted:

move thread to qcs, let smythe hand out judgements

:hai:

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Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
look, literally all the dnd mods are burned out or well on their way or literally haven't posted in dnd in months. let's structure things though where the only possible way that trolls can be dealt with is by a burned out mod remembering to look at the report queue 1-2 days later

what could go wrong

or, yknow, people could just not be probated for calling out obvious trolling

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

marshmonkey
Dec 5, 2003

I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.

:v:
Switchblade Switcharoo

HonorableTB posted:

I think everyone should read Kim Stanley Robinson's "Ministry for the Future". That book starts with a heat wave supercharged by climate change in the near future (like 2035) that kills something like 40 million Indians and it goes from there. Strongly featured is ecoterrorism to push the West into actually doing something about climate change and funnily enough nothing substantial happens until the UN's Ministry for the Future orders their black ops wing to assassinate fossil fuel executives and billionaires by blowing up their planes simultaneously because they were going to keep humanity locked onto fossil fuels. Obama said it was one of his favorite books of 2020 which is hilarious given he was more or less directly called out in that book for pursuing ineffectual and weak half-measures based on neoliberalism

+1 The heat wave part of that book was scary as gently caress to read.

Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

Herstory Begins Now posted:

look, literally all the dnd mods are burned out or well on their way or literally haven't posted in dnd in months. let's structure things though where the only possible way that trolls can be dealt with is by a burned out mod remembering to look at the report queue 1-2 days later

what could go wrong

or, yknow, people could just not be probated for calling out obvious trolling

Yeah this seriously. It's like smacking a kid in the mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.


FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Why would anyone follow this advice, given the fact that an admitted troll was allowed to remain in the thread even though the mods opened a poll and that poll overwhelmingly voted to ban them?

Also this. I've reported a lot of really gross poo poo and literally nothing happens. Like why advertise this tactic when you and I both know it's like throwing complaint slips in the wood chipper.

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Flopsy posted:

Yeah this seriously. It's like smacking a kid in mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.

It is absolutely not at all like that. What is wrong with you?

B B
Dec 1, 2005

Flopsy posted:

It's like smacking a kid in mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.

You seriously couldn't come up with a better analogy than this for probations you perceive as bad?

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

the_steve posted:

If only there was some sort of button you could push to Report people you thought were trolls. :thunk:

Still waiting for an answer on what "posters about posting" means considering you let this slide

Lib and let die posted:

You ally with them on things there's a common ground on. You are literally loving illiterate.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

Why would anyone follow this advice, given the fact that an admitted troll was allowed to remain in the thread even though the mods opened a poll and that poll overwhelmingly voted to ban them?

When was the last time that person even posted in this thread?

I legit don't remember if they were officially forum/threadbanned, I asked a Real Mod to check into it when they were available, but I don't think I've seen a post of theirs here for a couple weeks now, so that sounds like a threadban to me.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Flopsy posted:

Yeah this seriously. It's like smacking a kid in the mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.

what the gently caress is this metaphor

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

the_steve posted:

When was the last time that person even posted in this thread?

I legit don't remember if they were officially forum/threadbanned, I asked a Real Mod to check into it when they were available, but I don't think I've seen a post of theirs here for a couple weeks now, so that sounds like a threadban to me.

cuz they were a 2016 love/gudetama alt account lol, not cuz anything at all was done about it

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Herstory Begins Now posted:

look, literally all the dnd mods are burned out or well on their way or literally haven't posted in dnd in months. let's structure things though where the only possible way that trolls can be dealt with is by a burned out mod remembering to look at the report queue 1-2 days later

what could go wrong

or, yknow, people could just not be probated for calling out obvious trolling

Flopsy posted:

Yeah this seriously. It's like smacking a kid in the mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.

Also this. I've reported a lot of really gross poo poo and literally nothing happens. Like why advertise this tactic when you and I both know it's like throwing complaint slips in the wood chipper.

chill the gently caress out, people

posting with a dumbass for a day ain't the end of the fuckin world

jfc, log the hell off

the_steve posted:

When was the last time that person even posted in this thread?

I legit don't remember if they were officially forum/threadbanned, I asked a Real Mod to check into it when they were available, but I don't think I've seen a post of theirs here for a couple weeks now, so that sounds like a threadban to me.

they got an actual :10bux: ban, because it was an alt of someone who was already forumbanned

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

HonorableTB posted:

The Guardian has, uh, endorsed blowing up fossil fuel infrastructure. You love to see it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/18/moral-case-destroying-fossil-fuel-infrastructure

Kind of wish people would stop saying that a news outlet publishing an opinion article is equivalent to that news outlet endorsing whatever is in that article.

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!
if the mods are even a little bit cool they're all watching Wheel of Time

FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer

the_steve posted:

When was the last time that person even posted in this thread?

I legit don't remember if they were officially forum/threadbanned, I asked a Real Mod to check into it when they were available, but I don't think I've seen a post of theirs here for a couple weeks now, so that sounds like a threadban to me.

If I'm wrong on the details I'll gladly change my opinion. It just seemed extremely silly to even have the poll to begin with. I'm sure being a mod for this thread and or subform is a thankless, stressful job. And I think historically the mods have done a good job overall. But when someone openly admits that they are violating the spirit of the entire subform by purposefully antagonizing others who are generally interested in good faith debate, that should be the easiest layup imaginable for the mods to make a big example of that person.

It seems like the thread has really gone downhill since that happened, so hopefully it's a good lesson to nip that stuff in the bud and not let it run rampant. It very much leads to a culture of talking past one another and always assuming the worst about other people's intentions.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Sir John Falstaff posted:

Kind of wish people would stop saying that a news outlet publishing an opinion article is equivalent to that news outlet endorsing whatever is in that article.

Eh, potato/po-tah-toe. Their review/oversight of the editorials mean that they consider it within the realm of discussion which means something. Acting like papers have no control over the op-eds that they run is equally iffy. I guess except for the dumb cases where papers let unmonitored people just post blog equivalents with the name of the paper.

TheIncredulousHulk
Sep 3, 2012

Sir John Falstaff posted:

Kind of wish people would stop saying that a news outlet publishing an opinion article is equivalent to that news outlet endorsing whatever is in that article.

Yeah it's hosed up people are trying to make The Guardian look cool

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

Fritz the Horse posted:

if the mods are even a little bit cool they're all watching Wheel of Time

does pat sajak still host it, or did they get someone new

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Sir John Falstaff posted:

Kind of wish people would stop saying that a news outlet publishing an opinion article is equivalent to that news outlet endorsing whatever is in that article.

It is kind of an endorsement inasmuch as consent is manufactured by artificial limits on what can be discussed by punditry in major outlets. Liz Bruenig’s ascent as a mainstream socialist voice is another example of the boundaries being pushed.

If you can’t discuss a topic in any major outlet, then those outlets are definitely endorsing the censorship of that topic, in the sense that a lot of what is considered acceptable discourse is whatever the NYT op-ed page would print.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Flopsy posted:

Yeah this seriously. It's like smacking a kid in the mouth when they're trying to tell you they were molested because they're starting unnecessary drama.

Also this. I've reported a lot of really gross poo poo and literally nothing happens. Like why advertise this tactic when you and I both know it's like throwing complaint slips in the wood chipper.



Majorian posted:

It is absolutely not at all like that. What is wrong with you?

:yikes:

Also Joe Biden is on point with his messaging tonight

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1461499492184821763

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

socialsecurity posted:

Still waiting for an answer on what "posters about posting" means considering you let this slide

There's a difference to me between a heated argument and a post saying "certain posters are only here to stir up drama."

If you think that post needs hit, and I'm clearly not doing it, then Report it or PM a Real Mod, or hell, make a QCS thread about it

Fritz the Horse posted:

if the mods are even a little bit cool they're all watching Wheel of Time

I plan on watching that and burying myself in Endwalker once I get back into town.

Thorn Wishes Talon
Oct 18, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Also Joe Biden is on point with his messaging tonight

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1461499492184821763

Yep, good messaging. Biden is good.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

I've got no problem eating a probe for getting a little hot under the collar. I'll eat a day, a week, a month, I don't really care if I get dinged. Just save me another condescending, faux-concerned probation reason and say you think I'm being an rear end in a top hat right out.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

Yep, good messaging. Biden is good.

My sarcasm probably wasn't clear enough

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
First Malcom X, and now Jimmy Hoffa.

The FBI is really on a roll with cold cases this week.

https://twitter.com/MWilsonNYT/status/1461484280475967494

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

the_steve posted:

There's a difference to me between a heated argument and a post saying "certain posters are only here to stir up drama."

If you think that post needs hit, and I'm clearly not doing it, then Report it or PM a Real Mod, or hell, make a QCS thread about it

I plan on watching that and burying myself in Endwalker once I get back into town.

I'll avoid the QCS thread I already get enough unsolicited harassing PMs from succ thread posters everytime you probe me for disagreeing with them, I just wanted some clarification because your enforcement of the rules seems incredibly arbitrary.

Thorn Wishes Talon
Oct 18, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

My sarcasm probably wasn't clear enough

Neither was mine. ;)

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

My sarcasm probably wasn't clear enough

Curious to see how the strategy of giving your opponents equal credit for what may be your one big accomplishment plays out.

It's gonna kick rear end when a bunch of Republican senators get to talk up how bipartisan and mature and awesome they are.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

Curious to see how the strategy of giving your opponents equal credit for what may be your one big accomplishment plays out.

It's gonna kick rear end when a bunch of Republican senators get to talk up how bipartisan and mature and awesome they are.

Especially the ones who didn't vote for it.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

First Malcom X, and now Jimmy Hoffa.

The FBI is really on a roll with cold cases this week.

https://twitter.com/MWilsonNYT/status/1461484280475967494

the Malcom X thing isn’t surprising but goddamn, what a loving rigged history we teach kids.

Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BILLIONAIRES ?!?!?

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

It's gonna kick rear end when a bunch of Republican senators get to talk up how bipartisan and mature and awesome they are.

That's not the Republican brand. In fact, that might get them drummed out of the party.
It is, however the brand of plenty of moderate Dems.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

Yeah it's hosed up people are trying to make The Guardian look cool

I'm just glad they managed to hold off on publishing anything transphobic or pro-imperialism for once. Who says we can't all do better?:allears:

e:

Sarcastr0 posted:

That's not the Republican brand. In fact, that might get them drummed out of the party.
It is, however the brand of plenty of moderate Dems.

I dunno, I think we're probably going to hear plenty of McConnell, Romney, Grassley, etc, bragging about how helpful they were in making the bill more fiscally responsible or whatever.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 19, 2021

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Sarcastr0 posted:

That's not the Republican brand. In fact, that might get them drummed out of the party.
It is, however the brand of plenty of moderate Dems.

plus if nothing else people seem a lot more aware of when Republicans take credit of poo poo they didn't vote for nowadays. Now if only that would translate into Republicans losing elections

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Sarcastr0 posted:

That's not the Republican brand. In fact, that might get them drummed out of the party.
It is, however the brand of plenty of moderate Dems.

No, mentioned it before but plenty of Republicans' actual ads tout the good spending that they approved and good things that they funded. Saw plenty of ads about PPP and medical research funding. The vast majority of races don't have purestrain crazy in the ads that the average voter sees.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Sarcastr0 posted:

That's not the Republican brand. In fact, that might get them drummed out of the party.
It is, however the brand of plenty of moderate Dems.

I know this is quibbling, but I really wish people would stop calling them moderate Dems. They're conservatives.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

No, mentioned it before but plenty of Republicans' actual ads tout the good spending that they approved and good things that they funded. Saw plenty of ads about PPP and medical research funding. The vast majority of races don't have purestrain crazy in the ads that the average voter sees.

Yes this is why you still see super low approval for congress and approval for their own congressperson. I vote for the person who tells me all the good things they are doing, it's everyone else who sucks.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Fister Roboto posted:

I know this is quibbling, but I really wish people would stop calling them moderate Dems. They're conservatives.

American conservatism is about drowning anyone who isn't a rich white man in a well. American moderates are about giving those people in the well some snorkels.

There is a subtle difference.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
McCarthy is giving a speech and boy is he mad about spending.

Abner Assington
Mar 13, 2005

For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.

selec posted:

the Malcom X thing isn’t surprising but goddamn, what a loving rigged history we teach kids.
I mean I don't disagree with you, but I don't think kids learn about Jimmy Hoffa?

Unrelated, but I saw a commercial for "Meta" watching the Patriots/Falcons game just now and :lol: Good luck, Zuck.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

snorch posted:

McCarthy is giving a speech and boy is he mad about spending.

he doesn't give the slightest gently caress about spending

Since I was asking about the John Deere contract earlier, looks like they killed the new tier but didn't entirely kill tiers

https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1461160112031256580

Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 19, 2021

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snorch
Jul 27, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

he doesn't give the slightest gently caress about spending

:thejoke:

He's laying on the xenophobia real thick, is that his usual tune?

e: actually yeah this is just a regular Republican stump speech.

snorch fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Nov 19, 2021

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