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Bobulus posted:I looked over at the generic trump forum, rather than the QAnon one, and they also hated it. They're just as rabidly anti-vax, so their main justification is 'He's saying he got it, but he wants everyone to have a choice, rather than the MANDATES that Biden wants'. They mostly think that if Trump had won, he would have left vaccine mandates up to the states, instead of imposing a federal one. Which is probably true, though it's hard to say, since Trump clearly wants to take credit for developing the vaccines, so he might have wanted a federal one so he could say "Look at all the lives my vaccines are saving." pseudanonymous posted:You're giving them way to much credit. These are people that refuse to acknowledge that their actions and choices impinge on others. Notably, the little bit of political conversation I couldn't avoid hearing from my mom's husband when we met for Christmas the other day involved him comparing vaccine mandates to vasectomy mandates. "If they can demand that you have the vaccine forced on you, there's nothing stopping them from forcing other medical procedures on people! I'm not against vaccines but it should be your choice!" The idea that a vaccine is meant to also help prevent the spread of a contagious disease which affects other people and so can't be compared to a vasectomy was beyond his thought process.
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It's worth considering that while Donald Trump reflects the same attributes of the american electorate, the mean cruelty, the laziness, the arrogance, the sense of superiority, the pig headed stupidity, he's not like them. He is actually too stupid to be consistently ideological. Yeah he said dumb poo poo about vaccines and autism, parrotting the same nonsense that he absorbed into his spongiform-riddled brain. But those covid vaccines, those are Trump vaccines. He should be the one being celebrated and getting credit for them. Not Biden, not those mean Democrats and the lying media. Similarly, Trump absolutely does not believe in Jesus. He doesn't give a gently caress about sacrificing themselves for others, that makes you a loser. Essentially, if someone tells you have to take Trump seriously, not literally, they're full of poo poo and should also be disregarded out of hand.
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Dec 22, 2021 00:09
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The ideological opposition to vaccines from the right is simply one big temper tantrum after Trump failed to steal the election. Yeah the Trump vaccines got good data right after the election (accelerated, no thanks to the pandemic raging out of control all through Summer-Fall 2020). But as soon as President-Elect Biden made distributing vaccines a part of his initial governance push, this could not be legitimated, and so everyone up and down the line in the GOP made sabotaging public health measures their priority.
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Phobophilia posted:The ideological opposition to vaccines from the right is simply one big temper tantrum after Trump failed to steal the election. Yeah the Trump vaccines got good data right after the election (accelerated, no thanks to the pandemic raging out of control all through Summer-Fall 2020). But as soon as President-Elect Biden made distributing vaccines a part of his initial governance push, this could not be legitimated, and so everyone up and down the line in the GOP made sabotaging public health measures their priority. I've been marveling all day at the fact that antivaxx stuff is the one thing that supersedes Trumpism for these dipshits and wondering why that is. Pushing, however lightly, for people to take the vaccine is perhaps the one decent thing Trump had done, but I guess that answers my own question. It's a decent thing and the Dems are for it, ergo it's bad. Trying to argue with these people is exactly like trying to get a tantruming toddler to eat their vegetables.
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Dec 22, 2021 00:53
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Dec 22, 2021 01:35
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Rob Rockley posted:I've been marveling all day at the fact that antivaxx stuff is the one thing that supersedes Trumpism for these dipshits and wondering why that is. Pushing, however lightly, for people to take the vaccine is perhaps the one decent thing Trump had done, but I guess that answers my own question. It's a decent thing and the Dems are for it, ergo it's bad. The fundamental value of the American Right is that they should be allowed to do whatever they want without suffering consequences. Covid, vaccines and lockdowns and all, run counter to this because they're being told they have to cancel their plans or get the vaccine, threatened with professional or personal penalties if they don't, and then they may get sick and die from the virus.
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Dec 22, 2021 01:40
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:"I'll be voting DeSantis" those people are in for a rude awaking once they see desantis on teh campaing trail
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Sir Tonk posted:those people are in for a rude awaking once they see desantis on teh campaing trail Nah, they'll loving love him
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ILL Machina posted:You think they will after they find out he's vaccinated? It won't matter. All he has to do is be a giant rear end in a top hat, deny abject reality and let corporations and cops run roughshod. I live in Florida. Desantis is basically Trump II at this point and he's in that similar weird zone where truth just seems to bounce off of him and no one cares. I don't know how one reaches that level of being impervious to everything but, next to Donald, he's the closest thing I've seen to pulling it off. If I had any life savings left, I'd wager them all that Trump and/or Desantis wins the WH in 2024. I have very little doubt.
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I've seen Desantis drink a beer and say no one gives a poo poo about covid. He's got what it takes despite the nerd voice. Not if Trump runs though.
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Rob Rockley posted:I've been marveling all day at the fact that antivaxx stuff is the one thing that supersedes Trumpism for these dipshits and wondering why that is. Pushing, however lightly, for people to take the vaccine is perhaps the one decent thing Trump had done, but I guess that answers my own question. It's a decent thing and the Dems are for it, ergo it's bad. Sometimes I think it would’ve been better if Trump won re-election and pushed the vaccine. There’d still be anti-vaxxers but probably significantly less. Would that balance out the harm Trump would do with another 4 years in office? Hard to say
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RatHat posted:Sometimes I think it would’ve been better if Trump won re-election and pushed the vaccine. There’d still be anti-vaxxers but probably significantly less. Would that balance out the harm Trump would do with another 4 years in office? Hard to say They'd just make up conspiracies about Fauci forcing him to say it somehow
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Elea posted:I've seen Desantis drink a beer and say no one gives a poo poo about covid. He's got what it takes despite the nerd voice. Not if Trump runs though. I’d happily watch Trump and Desantis go at each other tooth and nail during the primaries. I bet nothing gets left on the table. From silly name calling to revealing dark family secrets, it all comes out. Too bad the base wouldn’t care what was revealed as long as the winner promised to be the worst person ever.
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BiggerBoat posted:If I had any life savings left, I'd wager them all that Trump and/or Desantis wins the WH in 2024. I have very little doubt. Yeah if Trump doesn't run for some reason, DeSantis will, and he'll win. Even if Trump does run in 2024, DeSantis will almost certainly run in 2028, and win. I'm not confident enough that I'd bet on it, but DeSantis is ridiculously popular and also a man in Trump's own image, and the GOP controlled state legislatures are doing all they can to ensure that a Dem will never win their states ever again.
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BiggerBoat posted:It won't matter. All he has to do is be a giant rear end in a top hat, deny abject reality and let corporations and cops run roughshod. Shameless seems to work. the Media's main ploy is "you did a thing wrong, don't you feel bad?" if the person responds with "nah I didn't do that, you're wrong, gently caress you" or just ignoring them, they just "isn't partisanship bad, this is the new normal, how depressing" and they lower the bar.
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Murgos posted:I’d happily watch Trump and Desantis go at each other tooth and nail during the primaries. I bet nothing gets left on the table. From silly name calling to revealing dark family secrets, it all comes out. A split primary with Desantis pandering further Right than Trump to the point where every marginally sane Republican voter sits out the election is one major path towards keeping the republic.
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MadJackal posted:A split primary with Desantis pandering further Right than Trump to the point where every marginally sane Republican voter sits out the election is one major path towards keeping the republic. The only real hope I have is that Trump loses the republican nomination but is somehow still alive and goes ham on the GoP. I'm not even sure what to hope for though at this point. Though also at the rate the GOP is killing off their own voters things have the potential to shift.
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Trump losing the republican nomination and running as an independent in a three way battle would be the chefs-kiss of outcomes. All the vitriol of the tv spots and debates aside the R candidates in other races would be hosed just due to trying to figure out who to seek an endorsement from. You could end up with Dem super majorities in both the house and senate.
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Dec 22, 2021 04:58
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Except that won't happen, there's no anti-Trump candidate. There's really no anti-Trump faction left in the Republican Party. If Trump wants the nomination he gets it.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Since all this poo poo is crazy, I’ve been purposely mixing up Lin Wood and James Woods. They’re both insane gross people and it’s at least funnier.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Since all this poo poo is crazy, I’ve been purposely mixing up Lin Wood and James Woods. They’re both insane gross people and it’s at least funnier. Honestly, James Woods is probably a better lawyer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdIMx_1OEww (Jesus gently caress I forgot how incredibly homophobic that movie was.)
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Xiahou Dun posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdIMx_1OEww When I finally stopped lurking bought an account I had no idea what to do for a username and that movie was on in the background playing that very scene.
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Morrow posted:The fundamental value of the American Right is that they should be allowed to do whatever they want without suffering consequences. Covid, vaccines and lockdowns and all, run counter to this because they're being told they have to cancel their plans or get the vaccine, threatened with professional or personal penalties if they don't, and then they may get sick and die from the virus. Seriously, the world would be a lot better if we could invoke more 'Law of Gravity' situations on them. They're so up their own rear end they can deny anything. The COVID vaccine is a death weapon. Every famous person is a clone. The sky is actually vomit coloured brown. Outside of using techniques to literally break their brain down, you cannot make them realize the truth. Gravity, however, just IS. You can scream denials at it all you want, but if you pick something up and let it go, it will fall. If you step off into empty air all by your lonesome, you'll fall. Reality will smash your denial with what it is. The COVID virus can't exactly do that, because it's not everywhere, always functioning. Gravity is. You either break your stuff, and yourself, or acknowledge it is true. It's nice to dream.
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MadJackal posted:A split primary with Desantis pandering further Right than Trump to the point where every marginally sane Republican voter sits out the election is one major path towards keeping the republic. Forgall fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Morrow posted:Except that won't happen, there's no anti-Trump candidate. There's really no anti-Trump faction left in the Republican Party. If Trump wants the nomination he gets it. They are pretty pissed off about Trump telling them to get the vaxx. But you are right, it won’t happen.
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DeSantis also loving loves Trump, remember he's the guy who ran a political ad of him reading his kids The Art of the Deal as a bedtime story, and giving his daughter some blocks and telling her to "build the wall." If Trump says he's going to run in 24, DeSantis is not going to challenge him.
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DeSantis is dumber and crazier and has more energy. I can't believe I never realized this but he's going to be president of the united states of america.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:He was married a bunch of times, but all his wives left him because of his crossdressing and personal neuroses. He wasn’t abusive as far as I know. He’s a pretty tragic figure, honestly. If he had been born 30 years later, he probably would have been perfectly happy and free to be himself. i believe one of his wives left him because he would get drunk and verbally abuse her son. he seemed like a nice guy for the most part... except when he drank and he was drunk for most of the latter part of his life when he his career was done and he could only find work writing and directing low budget pornos 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Morrow posted:Except that won't happen, there's no anti-Trump candidate. There's really no anti-Trump faction left in the Republican Party. If Trump wants the nomination he gets it. I dunno there’s a bit of anti-trump blood in the water on the vaccine front, and I could see desantis jumping in if he thinks he can win with that.
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Twelve by Pies posted:DeSantis also loving loves Trump, remember he's the guy who ran a political ad of him reading his kids The Art of the Deal as a bedtime story, and giving his daughter some blocks and telling her to "build the wall." If Trump says he's going to run in 24, DeSantis is not going to challenge him. I don't think Desantis gives 1 poo poo about Trump, in fact probably despises him. The public show he puts on is a Trump lover, and I think if he thinks he can take Trump he'll try. The whole thing will be purely pragmatic though. Best, Brian
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Ambitious Spider posted:I dunno there’s a bit of anti-trump blood in the water on the vaccine front, and I could see desantis jumping in if he thinks he can win with that. My question about that is: is DeSantis really as dumb as he looks, or does he just play that for the rubes? Because beating trump in a primary would be a pyrrhic victory, trump would spend the following months making GBS threads all over desantis and saying that the primary was rigged, so nobody vote for that dumb idiot thief desantis. Desantis needs trump to hurry up and die before he has a shot at a presidential election.
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Blotto_Otter posted:My question about that is: is DeSantis really as dumb as he looks, or does he just play that for the rubes? Because beating trump in a primary would be a pyrrhic victory, trump would spend the following months making GBS threads all over desantis and saying that the primary was rigged, so nobody vote for that dumb idiot thief desantis. The smart play is probably for Desantis to go for VP under Trump. Basically go into the primaries as an attack dog for Trump, probably even collude with him and then fold and be his VP pick. The nice thing is Trump is an inveterate liar and deal breaker so it's not like Desantis can trust Trump to honor a deal.
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pseudanonymous posted:The smart play is probably for Desantis to go for VP under Trump. Basically go into the primaries as an attack dog for Trump, probably even collude with him and then fold and be his VP pick. This scarily feels like the most likely outcome.
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pseudanonymous posted:The smart play is probably for Desantis to go for VP under Trump. Basically go into the primaries as an attack dog for Trump, probably even collude with him and then fold and be his VP pick. Okay yeah you're probably right. Pence was a pick that was meant to pull in evangelicals who might not be on board with Trump, but now that everyone realizes that evangelicals loving love Trump and they never needed Pence, they have no reason not to double down on the insanity.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Trump and DeSantis can't run on the same ticket without writing off Florida. Unless Trump changes his state of residency, they would be ineligible for Florida's electoral votes by the 12th Amendment. I never thought of that. On the other hand, lol at Trump or Desantis giving a rats rear end about any sort of..."law"
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