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the other reason the vita failed: Vita Ridge Racer was terrible while Ridge Racer PSP was amazing
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the other reason the vita failed: Vita Ridge Racer was terrible while Ridge Racer PSP was amazing Similarly, the Vita Wipeout, while not terrible, was not as good as the two for PSP.
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Jan 30, 2022 16:56
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the PSP was also a huge success for markets which switched a lot to mobile around that time that the Vita released. The western games were mostly good, at least the 1st party ones. MLB was the exact same game as the ps3 one, Uncharted and Killzone were excellent and Tearaway is still one of the most unique gaming experiences available. If Sony hadn't just immediately dropped all marketing and support then maybe take two doesn't cancel their planned GTA and Bioshock games and it probably wouldve been at least as successful as the PSP.
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Jan 30, 2022 17:19
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oh yeah the Vita was really well supported at launch, though that didn't end up helping it much in the end. it's really funny to compare it to how bad the DS, 3DS and even Switch launch lineups were, considering how many those consoles sold
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Jan 30, 2022 17:34
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yeah the switch launch only had one of the best games of all time on it
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Shart Carbuncle posted:I'm still mad that there's no save migration, but I'll probably play Monster Hunter: Rise on the Deck. I forgot about this one! I basically stopped playing on Switch when they passed on cross-save. It might be silly because resources aren't super hard to get in Rise but still feels like wasted effort somehow.
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Jan 30, 2022 17:46
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I finally put Android on my spare Switch. It’s not perfect but streaming from my Xbox and GeForce now has given me some idea of what playing in bed on the Deck will be like. It’s going to make the wait until Q2 even harder.
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Jan 30, 2022 18:17
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Feels Villeneuve posted:oh yeah the Vita was really well supported at launch, though that didn't end up helping it much in the end. it's really funny to compare it to how bad the DS, 3DS and even Switch launch lineups were, considering how many those consoles sold Switch's first year had 2 of the best games ever made
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Jan 30, 2022 18:23
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Switch's first year had 2 of the best games ever made i get the point and having one major title is a big difference than whatever the gently caress the 3DS launch lineup was, but i think you know what i mean by the amount of games the Switch had at launch
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Jan 30, 2022 18:26
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quality is better than quantity
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Jan 30, 2022 18:27
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The 3Ds had a terrible launch but Nintendo actually continued to support it unlike Sony.
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Jan 30, 2022 18:28
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i dont actually like breath of the wild that much but i think it's kind of a matter of taste if you'd rather have like five or six 8/10 games at launch or one amazing game and a bunch of random junk for a few months SNES US launch lineup is probably the best mix of quality/quantity ever, Dreamcast, XBOX OG, and weirdly enough, the PS Vita and PSP are probably the best for having like, a variety of good games to tie you over until the big releases start coming
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Jan 30, 2022 18:30
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also i'm kind of undecided if a world exists where the Vita succeeded, this is second hand stuff to an extent but iirc a big problem was that a lot of the markets that made the PSP a success (read: girls) switched hard to mobile phones by the time the Vita launched that and the 3DS having Monster Hunter
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Jan 30, 2022 18:33
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Random deck related question in case anyone knows... Is there an easy linux app/wrapper for dosbox that streamlines downloading/playing GOG's DOS titles? I have used dosbox extensively on linux during the glory years of abandonware, but these days I'm a lazy sod and just run the packaged GOG versions. There are a good few point and click games that I'd have a mind to play on the Deck, but not sure how much hassle will be involved.
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FishMcCool posted:There are a good few point and click games that I'd have a mind to play on the Deck, but not sure how much hassle will be involved. You use ScummVM to play these and they all should work out of the box in Linux. In fact, I think most of the old adventure games that are still being sold digitally come prepacked with ScummVM.
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Jan 30, 2022 18:36
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JuffoWup posted:We already started seeing toe dips with devices like the aya neo. I think some interest was already spurned on with how much of a success the switch was. People like that functionality, but the switch library has been... something. I know interviews with valve have said they don't really plan to go much beyond the deck and hope that other companies step up to continue the torch while also running steamos 3 on their portables. Moving steamos to be focused on supporting portable hardware is probably the best move compared to their previous attempts where it was just an alternative as a desktop os. That said, I know it did get their feet wet with linux. the other thing it seems to have going for it is parity with last gen consoles which is already where the graphical/power stagnation has left us kinda paralyzed so apart from an infinite backlog is does seem like the perfect time for something to come in and give devs an excuse to do something other than chase infinitely higher graphical fidelity What it will necessitate though is some sort of tiered download/packaging system to allow the deck to know to download lower fidelity assets so it can hold more than 5 contemporary releases at a time
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Feels Villeneuve posted:if you'd rather have like five or six 8/10 games at launch or one amazing game and a bunch of random junk for a few months most launches are neither and are just random junk
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Jan 30, 2022 18:42
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Literally no console launch has had six 8/10 games at launchFeels Villeneuve posted:SNES US launch lineup is probably the best mix of quality/quantity ever, Dreamcast, XBOX OG, and weirdly enough, the PS Vita and PSP are probably the best for having like, a variety of good games to tie you over until the big releases start coming I'd like to have whatever you are smoking
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i dont actually like breath of the wild that much but i think it's kind of a matter of taste if you'd rather have like five or six 8/10 games at launch or one amazing game and a bunch of random junk for a few months I absolutely loved BotW and Odyssey but I think at this point we all have to admit Nintendo was more than content to coast on those and Wii U ports for the entire switch lifecycle. And hey, that worked out this time because there was a lot of good poo poo on the Wii U that not a lot of people played. That strategy is not gonna work the next time around, I don't think, so hopefully the figure out how to beef up their throughput.
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Stux posted:most launches are neither and are just random junk yeah like the PS1/PS2 launches are a whole bunch of games i remember nothing about lol, at least Ridge Racer has an amazing soundtrack. obviously this hardly hurt those consoles one bit. i still think Dreamcast/XBOX had great lineups. something like XBOX having Halo/PGR/a good THPS2 port is nice because it's at least a good variety of stuff to play, though SNES having SMW/F-Zero/Sim City/Pilotwings is like the king of variety
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Saoshyant posted:You use ScummVM to play these and they all should work out of the box in Linux. In fact, I think most of the old adventure games that are still being sold digitally come prepacked with ScummVM. That's fine for the Lucas stuff, but series like Kyrandia and Space Quest aren't SCUMM based I think. But yeah, ScummVM is great and skips dosbox entirely.
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FishMcCool posted:That's fine for the Lucas stuff, but series like Kyrandia and Space Quest aren't SCUMM based I think. But yeah, ScummVM is great and skips dosbox entirely. ScummVM hasn't been compatible with only SCUMM games for more than a decade. Look at the list of engines supported, it's absurdly vast.
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Andrast posted:Literally no console launch has had six 8/10 games at launch the closest i can come is the NA Dreamcast launch. NFL2K, NFL Blitz, Soul Caliber 1, Sonic Adventure, Marvel V. Capcom, and uh, take your pick out of some of the more debatable ones like Ready2Rumble or House of the Dead. i kinda meant more a variety of decent/good games rather than one huge game, shouldn't have specified 8/10
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Jan 30, 2022 18:51
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I absolutely loved BotW and Odyssey but I think at this point we all have to admit Nintendo was more than content to coast on those and Wii U ports for the entire switch lifecycle. what are you even talking about lol
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Saoshyant posted:ScummVM hasn't been compatible with only SCUMM games for more than a decade. Look at the list of engines supported, it's absurdly vast. Woah, that's insane! That's amazing "news" for me. Guess all it'll take is a GOG download to the win drive and then a big old copy paste of the folders to the deck for ScummVM to look into. Thanks!
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Stux posted:what are you even talking about lol Smash, Metroid, ummmmm...? I can't think of any other good games exclusive to the switch.
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Jan 30, 2022 18:57
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Stux posted:what are you even talking about lol Nintendo put out 1 mario game and 1 zelda game at the start of the generation and then relied on 3rd party remakes, remasters, and ports to bolster their library That's not going to be a viable strategy next gen because the switch has hit such a higher consumer saturation so if they don't find a way to bring in contemporary content or increase their own release cadence they're not going to see the huge sales this gen has produced And the deck is going to eat into the PC/shared ecosystem so... I think they're going to be in for a rough go for their next console cycle. S'all I'm saying.
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the switch isn't even the first time a great deal of nintendo output for a system has been ports/remakes lol. like every GBA mario game was a port. also that isn't even a correct statement anyway
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Kwolok posted:Smash, Metroid, ummmmm...? I can't think of any other good games exclusive to the switch. Smash was a Bandai/Sora Ltd. production and Metroid MercurySteam, so those are nintendo published but contract games Those are much less lucrative arrangements for a publisher than if they were entirely in-house.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Nintendo put out 1 mario game and 1 zelda game at the start of the generation and then relied on 3rd party remakes, remasters, and ports to bolster their library lmao if you think the steam deck is a threat to nintendo also the switch has tons of amazing games
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Andrast posted:lmao if you think the steam deck is a threat to nintendo I know it's tempting and easy to forget the Wii U ever existed but that was only 10 years ago and was so dire they had to drown it in a bathtub just 5 years after release Nintendo is capable of mistakes and not having enough content is definitely one of the ones they've made super recently e: That is to say, part of what kept the switch booming is it being this generation's indie machine SteamDeck can easily supplant that market by playing the games better and steam sales generally being better than nintendo and the whole open hardware ecosystem All I'm saying is Nintendo probably has trouble on the horizon if SteamDeck isn't a total disaster Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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Splatoon 2 is pretty great and available on nothing else. Both single/multi player modes are great and provide a different kind of entertainment. Speaking of Splatoon, that makes me think of the gyro controls. I've become a massive fan since Splatoon on WiiU, and have used the Steam Controller to add them to a few games since. If the deck uses the same controller configuration for its controls, it'll be pretty neat.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I know it's tempting and easy to forget the Wii U ever existed but that was only 10 years ago and was so dire they had to drown it in a bathtub just 5 years after release Not having enough good nintendo games was not the problem with the Wii U (nor is it a problem on the Switch)
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it isn't a mystery why the switch succeeded and the wiiU failed hard and it doesn't have much to do with the amount of first party games on them
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The switch has a lot of great games a lot of them just don’t run that well.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:it isn't a mystery why the switch succeeded and the wiiU failed hard and it doesn't have much to do with the amount of first party games on them I mean it's entirely anecdotal I know but I had disposable income and have owned every other Nintendo console (either family-owned or my own when I came of money-having-age) (including multiple gameboys, DSs, Switches, etc) and it hardly crossed my mind to buy a Wii U I might've bought it if BotW was exclusive but eh  MarcusSA posted:The switch has a lot of great games a lot of them must don’t run that well. Comes back to this. Portable [instert game here]? Sure I'll go for that at full nintendo price. Portable [insert game here] that doesn't run like poo poo and is already in my steam library? Uh-oh, Nintendo's already falling profits
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I mean it's entirely anecdotal I know but I had disposable income and have owned every other Nintendo console (either family-owned or my own when I came of money-having-age) (including multiple gameboys, DSs, Switches, etc) and it hardly crossed my mind to buy a Wii U because apart from Nintendo games, there was little reason to buy one besides it being a new console, the main gimmick had little appeal, and it was poorly marketed. they did a ton of stuff explaining the cool stuff you could do with a second controller screen but nothing about it sold people the platform, and the fact that they had to really try to sell people on the second screen is good evidence of what the problem was. remember the five minute trailer for the Switch that dropped before the original announcement? in five minutes everyone knew what the gimmick of the switch was, how it worked, why it was useful, and if they wanted it. the gimmick is so self-explanatory and so appealing that there was zero need to define poo poo like "asymmetric multiplayer" for a general audience. that's why the switch was a big hit.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Nintendo put out 1 mario game and 1 zelda game at the start of the generation and then relied on 3rd party remakes, remasters, and ports to bolster their library are you high it has probably the best representation of their IPs + third party exclusives of any of their consoles ever lmao genuinely do not even understnadn what you are talking about animal crossing nh arms astral chain bayonetta 3 bowsers fury deadly premonition 2 fire emblem three houses golf story hyrule warriors kirby and the forgotten land botw 2 mario and rabbids 1 and 2 mario golf super rush mario tennis aces metroid dread metroid prime 4 pokemon snap 2 no more heroes 3 paper mario origami king pikmin 4 pokemon swoshi pokemon legends arceus rune factory 5 shin megami tensei 5 splatoon 2 splatoon 3 super mario maker 2 super mario party super smash bros ultimate triangle strategy warioware get it together xenoblade chronicles 2 yoshis crafted world genuinely what is missing here. kid icarus i guess?? lol its fine to not care about the games but the claim it only has wiiu ports and remasters, is simply objectively incorrec tnand i must surmise you have at some point smashed your head into a hard object and blanked out on the last few years.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Comes back to this. Portable [instert game here]? Sure I'll go for that at full nintendo price. the majority of people buy switches because they want to play Mario Kart and Pokemon. the fact that it can kind of run Witcher 3 portably is part of the appeal, but not a major one.
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Stux posted:are you high it has probably the best representation of their IPs + third party exclusives of any of their consoles ever lmao genuinely do not even understnadn what you are talking about You missed Mario Kart which is another big party game.
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