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Dramicus posted:Sure, but I said APU which is a CPU/GPU combo that is normally targeted at cheap/value systems. And they handle PS3 with no issues now. yeah i'm not disagreeing, just clarifying because technically the whole intel lineup except for the recent F series chips are APUs, just nobody called them that.
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Dramicus posted:Sure, but I said APU which is a CPU/GPU combo that is normally targeted at cheap/value systems. And they handle PS3 with no issues now. The pc in the video you linked looks like it costs $800+ when in stock. Laptops with the same CPU cost 2k. APUs aren't necessarily cheap, they're low power / SFF targeted. Cheap APUs would be more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9o70pYUMg, which doesn't do PS3 flawlessly.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Yeah, none of the unknowns are about the cpu, since there are low power 4c/8t zen2 chips out there. u can also compare with teh aya neo which is zen 2 and 15w, but its 4ghz and 6 core. whenever you see vids of it running games like odyssey or botw on yuzu and the fps is dipping and stuttering both the gpu and cpu are at like 65%, which means the older gpu in the neo is more than enough, and the issue is its capping out 4 out of 6 cores at 4ghz. cutting 500mhz off is only going to make it worse. Dramicus posted:Sure, but I said APU which is a CPU/GPU combo that is normally targeted at cheap/value systems. And they handle PS3 with no issues now. right but the gpu isnt the issue, its cpu. using the aya again, theres certainly a good number of ps3 games on rpcs3 that it just cant handle because even with 6 cores at 4ghz, the 15w tdp isnt enough. theres also a good number it handles fine, but its hard to say if that will follow for the deck when its got 2 fewer cores and theyre running slower. will probably be fine with easier stuff, but its going to fall over even harder with stuff like rdr or skate 3 than the aya does, and there will be some titles the aya can just manage that the deck cant.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:The pc in the video you linked looks like it costs $800+ when in stock. Laptops with the same CPU cost 2k. APUs aren't necessarily cheap, they're low power / SFF targeted. Cheap APUs would be more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9o70pYUMg, which doesn't do PS3 flawlessly. Sorry, I meant cheap in comparison to getting a normal CPU + GPU, especially in this market. Even relatively old GPUs are going for stupidly high prices right now, which makes the APUs very attractive. If I were building a PC from scratch in this market, I'd go for something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUSxtZt0kW8
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Dramicus posted:Yes, even the toughest ones are handled well by the 5xxx Ryzen APUs. that 5900hx is drawing down 3x the amount of power and running over 1ghz faster with twice the number of cores and threads, on zen 3 which is drastically more efficient per core than zen 2. you could not pick something less comparable unless you were posting a non h 5900x lol
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Stux posted:that 5900hx is drawing down 3x the amount of power and running over 1ghz faster with twice the number of cores and threads, on zen 3 which is drastically more efficient per core than zen 2. you could not pick something less comparable unless you were posting a non h 5900x lol The laptop with the 5500U linked above also handles PS3 at 60 fps, I just literally picked the latest video when I linked that. It wasn't a carefully curated choice to prove my point.
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Dramicus posted:The laptop with the 5500U linked above also handles PS3 at 60 fps, I just literally picked the latest video when I linked that. It wasn't a carefully curated choice to prove my point. It notably doesn't, which is why I linked it.
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i lost my mind at "sucrose very child oriented titles" i'm sorry gonna load up the steam deck with a bunch of sucrose content like hollow knight and anarcute
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pokemon is very hosed up if you think about it. now listen to my fanfics
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Dramicus posted:The laptop with the 5500U linked above also handles PS3 at 60 fps, I just literally picked the latest video when I linked that. It wasn't a carefully curated choice to prove my point. 4ghz, 6 cores, max 25w tdp.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:It notably doesn't, which is why I linked it. Oh, I see. It has some trouble with the toughest titles but will still do at least some/most of them. Which is probably similar to what the Steam Deck's APU can be expected to do.
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Dramicus posted:Oh, I see. It has some trouble with the toughest titles but will still do at least some/most of them. Which is probably similar to what the Steam Deck's APU can be expected to do. that 5500u has 6 cores and 12 threads with a max clock of 4ghz in a 25w power envelope the steam deck will have 4 cores and 8 threads with a max clock of 3.5ghz in a 15w power envelope so, no.
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Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates i would except all the fail people who bought this to emulate playstation 5 games and scalpers snatched it up. i want to play SOMA and Umineko portably!!!!!
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates like i said before, i'll be installing games like Hollow Knight, Bug Fables, Ikenfell, Katana Zero, The Vagrant, Panzer Paladin a lot of 2D stuff to start off
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Must be on a game by game thing because I saw a video of it running dread at 60fps on a galaxy fold The only other result I could find for running dread on a Fold is this one where it achieves 120fps... while being streamed from a PC. e: But I know nothing about mobile hardware (or pc hardware in general these days), I don't know how unfeasible 60fps actually is. I just got interested in how shady the emulator that poster was using is. In the rabbit hole I also saw lots of posts about how Dread runs shockingly well on all devices for an emulated game. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 30, 2022 |
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The 7th Guest posted:i lost my mind at "sucrose very child oriented titles" i'm sorry All video games are for children
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates Yakuza series and monster hunter probably.
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Back at pre-order time, my order date first said nothing for awhile after getting my order in 4 minutes, then said Q1. I think there were some who still said December at that point. Mine still says Q1 so I wonder if I will be in the first week or two. Does anyone have anything that says anything earlier than Q1 like February? Also do you think there will be another Steam sale when the first units get delivered or is this the last one? What types of games are people focused on for this? I have a strong PC, PS5, and Switch so I'm trying to think of games that I haven't tried yet that would work well. Never ended up playing XCOM2 so got that. Thought maybe Wasteland 3. I'm curious how TWWH3 would control.
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates Me if i end up getting it PS2-era and older emulation too
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I'm definitely not buying one of these at launch but I could see myself picking it up in a year or two if the price drops as a way to play all my grognardy turn-based games and city/colony builders without sitting at my PC.
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If you really need to emulate ps3 and switch you could just spend $1300 on the Aya Neo Next or just install parsec on your PC and stream the emulators. deep dish peat moss posted:I'm definitely not buying one of these at launch but I could see myself picking it up in a year or two if the price drops as a way to play all my grognardy turn-based games and city/colony builders without sitting at my PC. The deck is already priced as low as it possibly could go. You could get a used one for a bit cheaper if they release a gen 2 but I wouldn't hold my breath on that anytime in the near future.
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Dramicus posted:The steam deck is going to be great at emulation, but expecting it to emulate current or even last gen consoles is a big ask. It very well might be able to handle everything up to PS3 and WiiU but expecting anything beyond that is unrealistic. A lot of the third-party switch games also have PC versions, and there are some WiiU versions of big current-gen titles like BOTW that might work. To be fair we are talking about the switch which I don’t even think qualifies as last gen
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There are plently of games distictly not for children like Factorio, Crusader Kings, and many more that I don't have to explain that are gonna be extremely my Deck jam.
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KingKapalone posted:Back at pre-order time, my order date first said nothing for awhile after getting my order in 4 minutes, then said Q1. I think there were some who still said December at that point. Mine still says Q1 so I wonder if I will be in the first week or two. Does anyone have anything that says anything earlier than Q1 like February? Bear in mind the steam deck runs at something like 800p or whatever so it is quite a bit less demanding in that regard.
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Not for children meaning extremely boring
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates Yep This is a Steam Backlog Machine. I’m not really worried about how it’ll handle the games I bought in 2014 and still haven’t got around to playing. And yeah, PS2/GameCube and older emulation. Might be able to do something better than that, but if it does that’s a bonus.
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Vic posted:Not for children meaning extremely boring Nintendo designing games for a younger audience doesn't mean you have to feel childish for enjoying it. Namaste
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flavor.flv posted:All video games are for children Makes me question the existence of porn games.
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Kwolok posted:Nintendo designing games for a younger audience doesn't mean you have to feel childish for enjoying it. Namaste You're misunderstanding me, I'm saying I enjoy playing excelsheets. Also I never had a problem with enjoying something for kids, but just like playing with LEGO duplo it's usually not very stimulating.
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Arcsech posted:Yep
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I thought pre-orders opened early or something, instead you guys apparently just realized that the Switch is also a handheld.
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JazzFlight posted:While I think the Steam Deck is a great name, they also really could have called it the Steam Backlog. The Steam Laxative
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates I just want this plus older generation emulation. If it can handle up the ps2 and the switch I could get rid of like, 4 devices I have floating around.
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homeless snail posted:Is there anyone at all in here that's buying this thing, to play slightly old and/or indie games, on low at moderate frame rates absolutely.
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DrManiac posted:I just want this plus older generation emulation. If it can handle up the ps2 and the switch I could get rid of like, 4 devices I have floating around.
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DrManiac posted:If it can handle up the ps2 and the switch one of these things is not like the other
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Stux posted:one of these things is not like the other that’s right, one’s made by nintendo and the other is made by sony
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yeah......... the deck will not be able to properly emulate the analog buttons!
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah......... the deck will not be able to properly emulate the analog buttons! yup. good luck trying to play mgs.
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