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Feels Villeneuve posted:what if they crank up the "optimize" dial really hard in the future thouhg
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look for me the steam deck is an investment. i want to play switch games, so i could play switch games now, or spend significantly more money on a device which, some time in the future, may emulate them very poorly. its long term planing
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Curious to see real-world performance of the Deck with more AAA games 'cause the rumored Deckard could be cool as poo poo.
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I'm not worried about trying to emulate Switch games on a Deck since the Switch will still largely be available during the Deck's lifespan. What comes after the Switch goes EOL is interesting to me, much like I'm interested in running Dolphin on the Deck for GC/Wii titles (particularly those that haven't been ported). Maybe you could run indie games on the Deck in a Switch emulator, but for those that have PC ports (which nearly all of them do) I'd probably just wait and pick up the ones I really care about in a future sale. Once I get a Deck, the problem I'll probably run into is choice paralysis about buying new games on Steam (Deck) or Switch, as the latter still smaller and strictly more portable, but I totally expect the Switch as a platform to have a finite lifespan, whereas any Steam game that's compatible with Proton today will almost certainly work on some vaguely PCish thing far into the future.
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Veotax posted:It's been a long time since I really looked into emulation, but doesn't a device generally need to be more powerful, if not significantly more so, than the device it's emulating to do a decent job at it? dolphin for example is one of the most well designed emulators out there. it's absurd how efficient it is at running GC/Wii games. in comparison N64 emulation can still struggle despite being a far weaker system because the N64 itself is a frankensteinien mess of nonsense design with each game using different parts of it to make their games work and is why it's still a struggle to get it to work correctly. i've never toyed around with Yuzu since I just use my Switch instead so I can't say how well the emulator runs but watching the videos linked earlier seems fairly interesting though i don't know how well the mock Deck benchmarks will hold up when the actual thing is out there.
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The United States posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJBiFMI8_g nice link to a known chud :riolleyes:
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The United States posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJBiFMI8_g Yeah, looking at Aya Neo vids it looks like Metroid Dread is easy to emulate, so for that specifically you should be set. Fantastic Foreskin fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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instead of emulating a switch on a console that is almost definitely going to perform worse than an actual switch because of the nature of emulation,
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Once I get a Deck, the problem I'll probably run into is choice paralysis about buying new games on Steam (Deck) or Switch, as the latter still smaller and strictly more portable, but I totally expect the Switch as a platform to have a finite lifespan, whereas any Steam game that's compatible with Proton today will almost certainly work on some vaguely PCish thing far into the future.
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Most of the overhead would come from emulating the CPU. Switch is 4c/4t clocked at 1Ghz and while 4c/8t Zen 2 can clock higher and can do more per cycle, there probably wouldn't be enough overhead if the emulated game saturates all 4 cores. Graphics emulation is high level enough that overhead is relatively small, though this is more the case when using OpenGL/ARB with Nvidia GPUs on Yuzu as the Vulkan backend isn't as mature yet. Running emulated games in their portable modes would also likely help by cutting the graphics workload in half or so. Maybe emulator devs could take greater advantage of the shared memory architecture on Deck to remove the reliance on aggressively caching everything, might need new Vulkan extensions or something? I don't think usable Switch emulation is a ridiculous thing to expect on Deck, but it's not going to run much full speed at launch.
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The United States posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJBiFMI8_g Honestly pretty impressive and will only get better as emulsion improves.
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Stux posted:nice link to a known chud :riolleyes: that gives an extra 10-15 FPS in emulation, which is why it looks pretty good in that video but none of us will actually experience that level of performance
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Dramicus posted:I'm fine playing games at low graphics settings to hit 60 fps. To each their own, but many people prefer fluid framerates to raw graphical fidelity. At 800p I'm probably not going to notice the difference between graphical settings in most titles, so I'm probably going to target 60fps myself.
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I found the badge that shows how many titles I own on Steam, I was surprised it’s only 354. Judging by how long it takes me to finish games now, the Deck should last me well into my 90s if I play them all.
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Kwolok posted:Honestly pretty impressive and will only get better as emulsion improves. [watching the more powerful device get utterly pwned] epic. this means it will work.
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Huh, I guess there’s native retroarch for this, no jailbreaks or whatever needed, just supply your r0mz. Anyway - i like how the switch hardware revision barely gets warm and the fan is barely audible. The las thing I want is a heavy heatsink and a buzzy little raspberry pi fan 30cm from my face. You get a lot of power savings not running these devices at 100%, just coming from playing around with gaming laptops Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Retroarch is fail btw, I don't recommend it. The Retroarch guy is an insane harasser + a murderer.
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Wait till I tell you about the big 3
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Coffee Jones posted:Huh, I guess there’s native retroarch for this, no jailbreaks or whatever needed, just supply your r0mz. Its a completely open platform, no jailbreaks for anything, provided you're willing to deal with Arch or install windows.
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Coffee Jones posted:Huh, I guess there’s native retroarch for this, no jailbreaks or whatever needed, just supply your r0mz. it's a pc. you can install literally anything you can install on any other pc.
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homeless snail posted:Retroarch is fail btw, I don't recommend it. The Retroarch guy is an insane harasser + a murderer. don’t care if the games work
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Coffee Jones posted:Huh, I guess there’s native retroarch for this, no jailbreaks or whatever needed, just supply your r0mz. its a computerop.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:don’t care if the games work That's Fair, tbh.
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Stux posted:can we change the thread title to "its a normal computer" could affect preorders
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Quantum of Phallus posted:don’t care if the games work of course it's a free program so they gain nothing by you just downloading it, but don't donate to the project or anything https://twitter.com/BlueMaxima/status/1488826694626525185 https://twitter.com/docsquiddy/status/1488628534683783183 https://twitter.com/BlueMaxima/status/1488828080894332936 https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1421229301928652801  Assepoester fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Stux posted:can we change the thread title to "its a normal computer"
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The United States posted:"but don't donate to the project or anything I have zero intent on donating to filthy emulator pirates
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homeless snail posted:Trolley problem pic but on one rail its "this program killed someone" and the other "but it runs roms good" That's not how trolley problems work but also I think Linux and Windows have killed more people than RetroArch.
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I've enjoyed my switch and it has been my go to console for so long. It's done lots of trips with me. I'm looking forward to the deck because I'd love to play some cool indie games on it and some of the older rpgs I never played because sitting at a computer playing something isn't super fun. Not wanting to do anything super new or even fps games, I don't want to emulate a switch on it because I'll just use my switch. But it looks like my preorder is for like "after q2 2022". I guess that means next Christmas? 
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Feels Villeneuve posted:which linux distribution has killed the most people fedora
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I have zero intent on donating to filthy emulator pirates Feels Villeneuve posted:which linux distribution has killed the most people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser 
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Feels Villeneuve posted:which linux distribution has killed the most people Murders: Tails. Suicides: Slackware.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:which linux distribution has killed the most people The real question you should be asking is which file system has killed the most people.
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