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brugroffil posted:I guess they should have gotten those nuclear weapons more quickly. it is generally advisable to do that before talking mad poo poo, yes
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lmao
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dont worry those guys are just big fans of us marine scout snipers
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Feb 24, 2022 18:05
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Reminder that the USAF plastered the poo poo out of a Wagner battalion in Syria a few years back which burnishes the DoD's antifascist credentials.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:06
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Russian state media is reporting there has been a serious "vibe shift" in ukraine, and the Hypebeast era may be coming to a close
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Feb 24, 2022 18:06
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the biggest lesson in all of this is a) get nuclear weapons and b) never give up nuclear weapons.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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Putin: Our strategy is this: We will fight them over there so we do not have to face them in the Russian Federation! "leftists": yes this invasion is totally 100% justified Fly Molo posted:no it wasn’t it kept getting delayed The delays started in November, isn't then when Russia began their slow buildup?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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brugroffil posted:I guess they should have gotten those nuclear weapons more quickly. my opinion is still that russia should have sent a couple hundred nukes to cuba and keep them there until they get their geopolitical goals done, this war bullshit sucks
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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Torpor posted:the biggest lesson in all of this is a) get nuclear weapons and b) never give up nuclear weapons. Poor South Africa.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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*carefully counting the number of nazis on either side to justify civilian deaths*
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Karl Barks posted:Russian state media is reporting there has been a serious "vibe shift" in ukraine, and the Hypebeast era may be coming to a close turn up
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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russia should just join NATO. problem solved
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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Al-Saqr posted:hmmm it’s been several hours since the last major update I wonder what’s going on with the war… Security analysts seem to mostly say that Ukraine is fighting a long slow defeat but that they're more successful than Russia probably anticipated.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:07
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if russia wanted the us to back their pipeline they should have made a few detours through the poor or black areas of american urban centers would have been approved instantly
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Feb 24, 2022 18:08
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barnold posted:russia should just join NATO. problem solved then russia would be justified to civil war itself
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Karl Barks posted:Russian state media is reporting there has been a serious "vibe shift" in ukraine, and the Hypebeast era may be coming to a close the important questions like “how’s the vibes going in this war?”
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Feb 24, 2022 18:08
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blue squares posted:Why is Russia willing to go to war over NATO? What does NATO actually do other than say "We don't like Russia and if Russia attacks one of us, we will fight together"? It's not as if NATO countries would ever attack Russia preemptively. It seems to me like the only point of NATO is to prevent Russia from expanding its borders through war? But if so, then Russia would have no reason to attack Ukraine to prevent them from joining if they were never planning on expanding there anyway. the short version is that there is a very long history of Russia being invaded by outside powers, especially by Europe. You can go back as far in history as you want for this: the Mongols, the Poles, the Swedes, but in more recent history Napoleon invaded in 1812 and Germany invaded in 1914 and 1941, and every time it happened it was more devastating than the time before. the solution the Soviet leadership came up with in 1945 was to establish an ironclad buffer zone outside of the USSR's own borders in the form of the Eastern Bloc/Warsaw Pact nations. Part of the whole idea of setting up the satellite states was so that when (not if, when) the capitalists decided the time was right to crush socialism with military force, then at least the fighting would start somewhere else. A lot of Soviet actions during the Cold War should be understood through the desire to preserve this paradigm, for example through intervention to preserve pro-Soviet governments on the USSR's borders in Hungary in 1956, in Czechoslovakia in 1968, or in Afghanistan in 1979. You don't have to agree with those choices to understand why they were made, and the reasons why they were made are pretty obvious. NATO is rightfully seen as an anti-Russian alliance, because it was created as an anti-Soviet alliance and then didn't disband when the USSR ceased to exist. Instead it expanded, first into the states that used to be the Soviet buffer zone and then into the states that used to be part of the Soviet Union itself. For Russia, as a country that sees itself as a great power with legitimate strategic interests just like anybody else, that means losing the defensive territory that their geopolitical interests demand and instead placing what is very clearly a hostile military alliance directly on their borders. NATO is constructed as a defensive alliance, but from the Russian perspective there's more to it than that. NATO has not historically restricted itself to a purely defensive role, as demonstrated by its bombing campaigns in Yugoslavia in the 90s and its invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11. From the Kremlin, NATO doesn't just look like a defensive alliance set up to protect its countries from potential Russian aggression, it looks like a regular old military alliance where the members support each other in both offensive and defensive military campaigns, and that was created and continues to exist primarily to counter Russian strength in Eastern Europe. For Russia, a country that has not only political and military interests in its neighbours but also cultural, social, and economic interests there, that looks like an existential threat designed to slowly weaken, isolate, and marginalize Russia so that other countries can boss it around. As a result, it has been longstanding Soviet and Russian foreign policy not to have NATO expand into Eastern Europe. Gorbachev told Bush I that NATO shouldn't expand into Eastern Europe, Yeltsin told Clinton that NATO shouldn't expand into Eastern Europe, Putin and Medvedev both told Bush II that NATO shouldn't expand into Eastern Europe, and the West ignored them because they lost the Cold War so they don't get to decide how the winners conduct their business, and up until 2008 Russia was too weak and the West too strong to do anything about it. That is demonstrably no longer the case. You can acknowledge that Putin's ultimate decision to invade Ukraine was wrong while still understanding how and why it came to be, and none of the talk about how Ukraine is a sovereign country that should have the right to decide its own future (true!) is going to change the fact that its interests fundamentally differ from Russia's interests and the West strung Ukraine along and then hung it out to dry.
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brugroffil posted:When did NATO last invade Russian territory? what do you expect Russia to do? Wait to be surround by countries with nuclear weapons that are openly hostile to them? seems like we've been on this course for decades, this isn't like the US invading Iraq
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brugroffil posted:Putin: Our strategy is this: We will fight them over there so we do not have to face them in the Russian Federation! again not to say this makes the invasion right or good, but nato absolutely poses way more of a threat to russia than iraq did to the us lmao
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barnold posted:russia should just join NATO. problem solved they asked, nato didn't take them because they were weak lmafo what a loving blunder
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Feb 24, 2022 18:08
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i am extremely calm
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Karl Barks posted:Russian state media is reporting there has been a serious "vibe shift" in ukraine, and the Hypebeast era may be coming to a close lol what does this even mean
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Feb 24, 2022 18:09
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brugroffil posted:I don't think "this country will join NATO" justifies Russian invasion and overthrow of their government. Ultimately force rules at the end of the day so it doesn't matter what's "justified" or not, but it was Putin's choice to invade. it wasn't 'maybe they'll join NATO' it was 'Ukraine seems to think joining NATO is their inevitable right and are openly posturing about how many troops they'll have on Russia's border' including Zelensky getting spicy about 'well maybe we should have nukes on that border too'.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:09
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brugroffil posted:The pipeline was pretty much on track until Russia started building up military forces though? It was not “on track”. Christ, I know people don’t understand military postures but quickly - Mobilizing, Concentrating and Working Up forces during diplomatic talks is a signal the talks are not proceeding. The build up was in response to being stonewalled. The reason we believed there would be no invasion was that the “ask” (sign Minsk II) was so small relative the potential “cost” (Ukraine obliterated) that we thought it would be insane to further stall. When you back someone into a corner, ignore their attempts to talk it out, they square up, you continue to ignore them, you say “we’re done here. What are you going to do, hit me?” Sometimes they hit you.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:09
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Truga posted:my opinion is still that russia should have sent a couple hundred nukes to cuba and keep them there until they get their geopolitical goals done, this war bullshit sucks Cuba actually had like 160 tactical nukes during the crisis that the US wasn’t aware of and had the us invaded it would have been a nightmare.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:10
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1496888911565672449?s=20&t=qMr8i4n79jKBvkG7u9ox4g
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Feb 24, 2022 18:10
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Last week: lol where's your invasion shitlibs Nice to see you're still here.
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civilian casualties bad azov battaltion disappearing the second a real fight breaks out hilarious neo-ussr also hilarious
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1496888911565672449?s=20&t=qMr8i4n79jKBvkG7u9ox4g thank u george
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Feb 24, 2022 18:10
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Al-Saqr posted:lol what does this even mean Buy Nike boots not trainers
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Feb 24, 2022 18:11
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Control Volume posted:Lolling at this sentence. Fantastic content everyone What do you think “war is a continuation of politics by other means” means idiot?
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Feb 24, 2022 18:11
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Frosted Flake posted:It was not “on track”. The asks were well beyond Minsk 2, at least in the last few weeks.
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Feb 24, 2022 18:11
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awesome thanks for the vote of confidence america:- https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496895423772086282?s=20&t=0EVXjc0Dp3xfK4BAu1BreQ
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Feb 24, 2022 18:12
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The Real Amethyst posted:Likewise if you're a marxist and you're posting poo poo like "I hope Ukraine gets steamrolled and every nazi is murdered" in he face of footage such as https://mobile.twitter.com/girkingirkin/status/1496854488933715972?s=21 and then maybe it's time for some self-reflection also. to be slightly fair this one doesn't seem to be intentional but rather the result of one of the missiles being a dud
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Feb 24, 2022 18:12
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MLSM posted:Nobody said russia was leftist you dumbass There's a difference between understanding why russia is doing what it is, and justifying the way they are doing it. And there's a further difference between justifying it, and cheering in soyfaced glee over some imagined righteous insult to american empire (especially considering the US pushed as hard as possible to achieve this very outcome).
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Al-Saqr posted:lol what does this even mean theyre gonna start getting into techwear instead of sneakers
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https://twitter.com/swanfull2_0/status/1496777740736995331
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brugroffil posted:When did NATO last invade Russian territory? Dude how are you so ignorant of the situation lmao
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Feb 24, 2022 18:13
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Al-Saqr posted:lol what does this even mean Ukrainians are no longer listening to Drake, but now prefer the musical styling of lil durk
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Al-Saqr posted:awesome thanks for the vote of confidence america:- Excellent news. Any word on zelensky and collaborators being taken into custody?
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