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Concerned Citizen posted:Did they capture it, though? It seems like just a context-less photo of whatever that thing is. KitConstantine posted:The guy who posted has been verifying (with a very high accuracy rate) everything he's posting. He's keeping a documented list of every piece of equipment lost by either side that he can verify with evidence. If he says it's been captured its captured. Adding to this, there's a soldier with a yellow armband halfway out-of-frame on the right edge of the picture. Lots of other published media have shown Ukrainian soldiers to be wearing yellow armbands for identification.
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jettisonedstuff posted:What do you think is on those trucks if not fuel and food? Given the chaos of Russian maneuvers and logistics right now: For all we know its full of puppets and Playstations.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Hungarian media. When the article came out it was titled "Standing with Ukraine is treason", since has been changed to "Standing with Ukraine?" I don't have anything constructive to add except to say people like you and Mokotow are absolute superstars, you rock!
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Ciprian Maricon posted:tehcnically thermobaric means, its all fuel and it uses oxygen in the air for the chemistry of the combustion, conventional explosives include oxidizers along with the fuel We call them fuel-air explosives colloquially in the US if that helps people.
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Having also edited like 20 posts to clean up  stuff, going forward the OPs may get more than 6 hours for posting that stuff inappropriately.Also, if you quote incorrectly posted obvious poo poo like a giant rear end rocket hitting the ground floor of an office building, during office hours, while there are cars and poo poo around, I will also probate you for quoting it because I'm not spending another hour editing all the loving posts.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498705685885894669?s=20&t=SBAQ0-NlW-rPWr-6lz0L4Q What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement.
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Mikojan posted:So it's quite possible, with what we've been shown so far, that Russian troops are getting demoralised and abandoning their equipment. Together with the abysmal logistical issues Russia is seeing, would there be a breaking point where their house of cards just tumbles and troops desert en masse? With their current logistical prowess i wouldn't rule it out. Congrats on the avatar. 
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Hopefully Ukraine uses the tos 1 on the Russians so they can feel the full power of war crimes.
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. It would allow Ukraine to spend the next 10-15 years preparing to join the EU, and not much else.
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. It would just telegraph; “Putin, it is now impossible for you to get what you want. Even if you win there can be no peace that eases sanctions with you splitting up, occupying, or holding on to an EU candidate state.”
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. It's a very institutional gently caress you to Putin and that's about it. It won't trigger anything different but it does communicate that the EU isn't going to back off being mean to Mr. Putin.
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. It's just a recommendation.
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CommieGIR posted:......why does the map have the US 1st Cavalry division badge on it? I'll bet those sections in the upper-right are listing NATO assets. Russia considers NATO to be why they are invading Ukraine, so of course they'll consider NATO military assets in theatre. That's the First Cavalry Division, which is actually an armored division last I checked. It's not air cav anymore.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498705685885894669?s=20&t=SBAQ0-NlW-rPWr-6lz0L4Q Is there a confirmation for this? This same account posted about the Migs arriving any minute now and it turned out to be false. I can't find any verification so far
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. EU candidate status doesn't confer anything like that, this would just be diplomatic signaling.
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DaysBefore posted:That map also has Ukraine divided in to 3 zones, presumably matching the three letters the Russians have been using on their trucks etc. While there's no way I'm going to believe that anyone, even Lukashenko, is that incompetent it seems like a decent bet that it is the actual plan. In which case Moldova you should prob mobilise the reservists to be safe. I think those are just Ukrainian Operational Commands (military districts). Also there's four of them, the OC West is seen on left and apparently outside of marked operations. eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_Command_North
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Is there a confirmation for this? This same account posted about the Migs arriving any minute now and it turned out to be false. I can't find any verification so far https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1498701617834639371?s=20&t=JjhgGhKkKPgOEjUaoJgOvg But you're welcome to find other sources and post them.
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. Nothing, it's symbolic. All it does is entitles them to eventually start working on meeting membership criteria and reporting progress, which isn't going to be a high priority.
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Nenonen posted:⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡ BREAKING - Finland has hit Putin where it really stings! This makes me want a reality tv show where people compete in making wax figures of famous people.
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edit; never mind, beaten
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Edmund Lava posted:What would be the practical effect of this at this stage? Would it allow the EU to send in troops? Enforce a no fly zone? Hopefully doing those things without US involvement. It was brought up a thread-age ago that being a formal EU candidate working toward the criteria for membership confers access to various forms of assistance and loans from the EU. Along with being another incentive for Ukraine to not give in to Russian demands, it may streamline aid for the rebuilding of Ukraine (in whatever form it remains) after hostilities cease without requiring individual EU members get together and agree on aid packages first. Being a formal candidate is not the same as being a member, and even if candidacy is granted today, I doubt they would be awarded actual membership within this decade. The candidacy process, as mentioned elsewhere, is lengthy even for countries not involved in open warfare. Slashrat fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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While looking for candidate status news I stumbled upon this little tidbit on the Tagesschau:quote:The right-wing populist French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen is having election brochures destroyed in which she is seen alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin.Officially, the reason is a spelling error, the newspaper Libération reported. In fact, however, this error was not to be found. It is more likely that the photo with Putin, which was particularly embarrassing under the current circumstances, was the trigger.
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Dante posted:People who know drones, are all Bayraktar TB2's controlled exclusively via the Türksat satellite system? It strikes me that this is an interesting precedent in terms of war assistance by NATO if the drone strikes are literally happening through a NATO member's state-owned satellite system. The Ukrainian TB2s are not integrated into Turksat, most TB2 are not. There are TB2 variants that can be controlled by satellite though.
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DaysBefore posted:That map also has Ukraine divided in to 3 zones, presumably matching the three letters the Russians have been using on their trucks etc. While there's no way I'm going to believe that anyone, even Lukashenko, is that incompetent it seems like a decent bet that it is the actual plan. In which case Moldova you should prob mobilise the reservists to be safe. RE: Moldova - a representative at the European parliament meeting earlier today said that both Ukraine and Moldova should be on the fast track to EU membership. The Moldova mention seems a bit more meaningful now.
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Zephro posted:None, and I do wonder what the point of all this is. The EU is not going to fling itself into a shooting war with Russia. Signals and symbols matter.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Signals and symbols matter. And if they turn out to be false signals, that's a rather big violation of trust.
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CommieGIR posted:Given the chaos of Russian maneuvers and logistics right now: For all we know its full of puppets and Playstations. Or it's food, fuel and ammunition, which makes the idea of the drivers starving or freezing to death a little bit ridiculous. If Ukrainian forces aren't attacking or raiding it, it's likely because they are incapable, which doesn't bode well for their defence efforts at this point.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1498701617834639371?s=20&t=JjhgGhKkKPgOEjUaoJgOvg https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2022-03-01-RCV_FR.pdf Official source, last 2 pages.
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https://twitter.com/BlxckFlamesFox/status/1498702729925087232?s=20&t=1jmFrCVUPFkVCe8__Te2wA this is near kharkiv; this city is the one with the russian mayor who "handed it over" without a fight and got charged with treason by ukrainians in absentia important because it's probably as heavily russian as any town outside donbass troops saying "please go home", crowd chanting "this is our city, our streets", soldiers agreeing with them over the loudspeaker so yeah, this wont end well for Russia really.
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TheRat posted:It would allow Ukraine to spend the next 10-15 years preparing to join the EU, and not much else. 
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Hamelekim posted:This makes me want a reality tv show where people compete in making wax figures of famous people. The Trump episode of Nailed It was pretty funny
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1498701617834639371?s=20&t=JjhgGhKkKPgOEjUaoJgOvg Thanks this helped me track this down: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/B-9-2022-0123_EN.html quote:34. Calls for the EU institutions to work towards granting EU candidate status to Ukraine, in line with Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union and on the basis of merit, and, in the meantime, to continue to work towards its integration into the EU single market along the lines of the Association Agreement; I know the EU process is long and complex, so I don't know if it will have an immediate impact but its is factual
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KitConstantine posted:Russian source on how soldiers were coerced to re-sign contracts and lied to about where they were being deployed NG has a circulation of about 90k people according to Wikipedia. That’s decently large - NYT, for the US, which has twice the population, is about 370k - but it’s extremely hard to tell from here (China) how much ability it has to change the opinions of the general populace. Most likely that will be based on who reads it, internalises it and shares those views. (Also side note, we get weird ideas out here about what’s influential because influencers need like ten million subs to be even on the radar.)
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steinrokkan posted:Nothing, it's symbolic. All it does is entitles them to eventually start working on meeting membership criteria and reporting progress, which isn't going to be a high priority. Well, in the very short term you're right, it's a symbolic but huge middle finger towards Putin. And also a symbolic sign towards Ukraine. But it also signals that when this is all over (hopefully soon), the EU isn't fundamentally opposed to having the Ukraine join it, and if and when (and the 'if' there is really, really big) the Ukraine is sufficiently aligned with the rest of the EU (politics, law, having stable borders (...), economy, civil rights & liberties, ...), it could eventually do just that. It's not a guarantee obviously, if you elect someone like Erdogan you're not getting in.
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OctaMurk posted:The Ukrainian TB2s are not integrated into Turksat, most TB2 are not. There are TB2 variants that can be controlled by satellite though. I would be very surprised if Ukraine's are not being controlled via satellite with the operators out of theater right now. That seems like something that the US or UK would have assisted with awhile ago quietly. It would also explain why they are still operating.
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