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Mar 12, 2022 21:02
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hope they add a full-on Nokia ringtone to it again just so everyone complaining about it has another 20-page meltdown Suddenly I'm flashing back to that recurring bit from Trigger Happy TV... *comically oversized communicator rings with Nokia ringtone*  (extremely loud) "HELLO? ...WHAT? I CAN'T TALK, I'M ON A STARSHIP. ...A STARSHIP! ...NAH, IT'S RUBBISH. YEAH, I'LL CALL YOU BACK. YEAH, CIAO."
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Mar 12, 2022 21:03
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nine-gear crow posted:There's probably some intern at CBS whose job is to routinely run up to Alex Kurtzman and tell him that people think Star Trek Discovery absolutely blows a whole farm's worth of donkey nuts and then walk away dejected when Kurtzman just blankly looks at him and goes "And...?" There is a zero percent chance this has or ever will happen.
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Mar 12, 2022 21:05
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nine-gear crow posted:The interesting thing though is that unlike Star Wars, Star Trek just seems to quietly plug along doing its own thing its own way generally oblivious to, or actively ignoring all the brainpopping nerd ragers, whereas Star Wars caters to their every whim through reactive panic after reactive panic and can never get ahead of that curve because they simply find something new to get mad at. It's because Star Wars fans are Slater and Star Trek fans are Screech
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Mar 12, 2022 21:10
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jeeves posted:There is a zero percent chance this has or ever will happen. I mean, I've seen the various EPs and showrunners of different Modern Trek shows replying to folks screaming at them on Twitter about how their work sucks with "That's nice dear." So I'm fairly certain the top brass are aware and don't give even the tiniest fragment of a poo poo.
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Mar 12, 2022 21:17
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Penitent posted:It should have made the Galaxy Quest communicator beep for maximum nerd psyche damage.
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Mar 12, 2022 21:40
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The rabid trekkies I've seen online aren't worth engaging with since they're dipshit reactionaries so it's understandable that people getting paid good money to produce things those nerds hate would react with uncaring abandon. They are well aware by now that now matter how crap the shows they make turn out to be, at least the franchise equivalent to MMORPG whales will pay to see it. I think it's clear however that they do respond to backlash to some degree since they've gone out of their way to hire back Doug drexler, the okudas, stuff like Lower Decks, etc. The pivot to consistent fanservice when STD was still new was noticable to me, anyway. Kurtzman absolutely doesn't care and probably laughs all the way to the bank
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Mar 12, 2022 21:42
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Owlbear Camus posted:i hope they make it play beasty boys lol if you think they'd make it a song and that song wouldn't be faith of the heart. The whole thing. Every time the uses the coms badge.
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Mar 12, 2022 22:32
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, I've seen the various EPs and showrunners of different Modern Trek shows replying to folks screaming at them on Twitter about how their work sucks with "That's nice dear." So I'm fairly certain the top brass are aware and don't give even the tiniest fragment of a poo poo. That kind of performative dismissal of the most extreme negative reactions as exemplary of all forms of negative feedback is part and parcel of social media management in these modern times. The twatty has made it easier than ever to casually brush off anything you don't want to hear as just more bleating from those braying nutjobs... until the numbers start coming in, anyway.
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Mar 13, 2022 00:47
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McSpanky posted:That kind of performative dismissal of the most extreme negative reactions as exemplary of all forms of negative feedback is part and parcel of social media management in these modern times. The twatty has made it easier than ever to casually brush off anything you don't want to hear as just more bleating from those braying nutjobs... until the numbers start coming in, anyway. And the exact body count for that so far has been, what? Cowboy Bebop?
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Mar 13, 2022 01:13
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McSpanky posted:That kind of performative dismissal of the most extreme negative reactions as exemplary of all forms of negative feedback is part and parcel of social media management in these modern times. The twatty has made it easier than ever to casually brush off anything you don't want to hear as just more bleating from those braying nutjobs... until the numbers start coming in, anyway. Twitter is a terrible barometer for what the broader populace actually thinks. I think there's a very wide gulf between how few people you would think watch modern Trek based on how angry/disappointed people are with it on Twitter and how many people actually do. Kurtzman and co. can afford to be dismissive because they already have the numbers, and they're good enough that Paramount keeps ordering new seasons and new shows. I really hate this dynamic and wish the professionals in charge would actually act professionally, but that's social media in TYOOL 2022.
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Mar 13, 2022 01:17
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I’m loving dying; some channel is doing one of those Star Trek: The Untold Story “documentaries”, and in a segment talking about Trekkies they showed photos of people in costumes at conventions followed by a set still from one of the porn parodies. I want to believe some editing intern knew what that was and just slipped it in for a laugh.
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Mar 13, 2022 02:50
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I'm the guy who recognizes star trek porn parody stills on sight
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Mar 13, 2022 04:25
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can you even call yourself a real trek fan if you haven't masturbated to at least one porn parody?
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Mar 13, 2022 04:58
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yeah with great porn parody titles like 'the naked time'
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Mar 13, 2022 05:00
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TNG porn parody but it’s the rainbow bubble head guy from Cost of Living.
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Mar 13, 2022 05:01
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Voyager porn parody but it's just threshold with no changes.
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Mar 13, 2022 05:17
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Captain's Log, supplemental: Dr. Crusher and I made a sex tape
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Mar 13, 2022 05:19
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blastron posted:Twitter is a terrible barometer for what the broader populace actually thinks. I think there's a very wide gulf between how few people you would think watch modern Trek based on how angry/disappointed people are with it on Twitter and how many people actually do. Kurtzman and co. can afford to be dismissive because they already have the numbers, and they're good enough that Paramount keeps ordering new seasons and new shows. Right, Twitter is a terrible barometer, but if the viewer numbers were so amazing, why are they always kept secret these days? How come it took a single executive at Warner leaving to finally allow JMS to move forward with a new Babylon 5 project, or the public revealing of the Snyder Cut's "#1 most engaged film of HBO Max" status to prove its success wasn't some kind of flash mob-esque momentary fluke? I wasn't aware that media production was run by a bunch of dispassionate Vulcans who only make relentlessly rational decisions. Thanks for reminding me that although viewership is important, producer and executive egos put their thumbs on the scale in a big way, sometimes outlandishly so. The business is replete with exec darlings being propped up despite every mark of failure and vice versa -- TOS itself is one of the most infamous latter examples! E: I have CBS-owned Pluto TV on as background noise a lot and they run Paramount+ commercials literally every break. If Disco or Picard had any objective measures of notable success behind them they'd be advertised here, and they aren't, because they aren't, and I can't believe this point even has to be argued. CBS pushes Trek hard because it's one of their biggest and most marketable franchises to try and hang new viewership on and they'd be stupid not to unless the results were abjectly a burning money pit. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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Mar 13, 2022 05:38
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nine-gear crow posted:Captain's Log, supplemental: Dr. Crusher and I made a sex tape Counselor Deanna Troi's log: my mother is on board. *saxophone music plays*
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Mar 13, 2022 07:03
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Captain's log: We have been ordered by Starfleet Command to deliver a pizza
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Mar 13, 2022 07:09
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Riker: I play a long bone, it's a real crowd pleaser
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Mar 13, 2022 07:23
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McSpanky posted:a burning money pit. All signs seem to point to this franchise being a giant money laundering scheme for foreign wealth because there are no required metrics to report how much anything costs or viewership or anything.
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Mar 13, 2022 08:51
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i know i've jumped to the "this business model doesn't make sense to me >> money laundering???  " conclusion in the past but this is just ridiculous
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Mar 13, 2022 09:30
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i know i've jumped to the "this business model doesn't make sense to me >> money laundering??? Some powerful QAnon, But For Television energy at work.
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Mar 13, 2022 09:33
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McSpanky posted:Right, Twitter is a terrible barometer, but if the viewer numbers were so amazing, why are they always kept secret these days? How come it took a single executive at Warner leaving to finally allow JMS to move forward with a new Babylon 5 project, or the public revealing of the Snyder Cut's "#1 most engaged film of HBO Max" status to prove its success wasn't some kind of flash mob-esque momentary fluke? I wasn't aware that media production was run by a bunch of dispassionate Vulcans who only make relentlessly rational decisions. "Paramount doesn't advertise viewership numbers so they must be bad" is quite a leap to make.
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Mar 13, 2022 09:58
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They clearly have enough subs to keep Paramount+ going. There are plenty of people who want to to watch Star Trek or [checks P+] reruns of the Andy Grifith show and half of the episodes of Wings.
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Mar 13, 2022 10:51
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if any of the streaming services started publishing numbers less vague than "#1" or "most ever", I wouldn't believe them because none of them have any impetus to be honest unless someone comes up with some third-party survey system to determine approximate streaming viewership numbers I think it's a lost cause
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Mar 13, 2022 13:04
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Seriously, this is starting to stray into “Discovery has actually been secretly triple cancelled and the actors are simply showing up to set and taking selfies in full costume and makeup to try and trick the internet and save face because CBS is embarrassed to admit it’s been cancelled  ” territory.
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Mar 13, 2022 13:16
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Paramount+ is a strong streaming service. Aside from Trek they got the vast majority of Nickelodeon 's back catalog which is great if you have kids.
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Mar 13, 2022 13:44
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anyway, Paramount+ had 33 million subscribers last time they put out an earnings report, and I can't imagine they're all there for South Park or The Good Fight a lot of people out there like Trek and aren't particularly vocal about it, social media has a severe distorting effect as it does on every other topic or subculture or fandom
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Mar 13, 2022 13:55
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I'm reminded of hanging out with a weird burnout bartender when I was like 18 and when he found out I liked Star Trek, he tried real hard to convince me the US military funded it because it was intended to indoctrinate people to want to join the military.
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Mar 13, 2022 15:34
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Paramount+ is a strong streaming service. Aside from Trek they got the vast majority of Nickelodeon 's back catalog which is great if you have kids. My daughter recently discovered Spongebob so it's been fun revisiting that.
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Mar 13, 2022 15:39
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nine-gear crow posted:Seriously, this is starting to stray into “Discovery has actually been secretly triple cancelled and the actors are simply showing up to set and taking selfies in full costume and makeup to try and trick the internet and save face because CBS is embarrassed to admit it’s been cancelled I don't think nutrek is a flaming trainwreck failure or anything, I just also don't think it's some kind of cultural juggernaut or anything either. It's just there, much like JJtrek is, trucking along whether it's quality or not, not really giving a poo poo about being quality because that's not what the people in charge want right now, and that's a real shame. (Cue the sadbrain "but they never did" like it's some stunning revelation)
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Mar 13, 2022 16:48
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It's just amazing to me how much these shows feel like giant money sinks to disappear money into, since streaming doesn't have to report anything like box office totals. Note: not just Trek, but I get the feeling that Disney or HBO has a bit more of a back history with budgeting than it seems like the Trek stuff has, unless somehow they're secretly like sending all of the effects work to Bulgaria or something?
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Mar 13, 2022 17:01
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Star Trek's ratings fell pretty consistently throughout the 90's, I don't see why that trend wouldn't have continued.McSpanky posted:I don't think nutrek is a flaming trainwreck failure or anything, I just also don't think it's some kind of cultural juggernaut or anything either. It's just there, much like JJtrek is, trucking along whether it's quality or not, not really giving a poo poo about being quality because that's not what the people in charge want right now, and that's a real shame. (Cue the sadbrain "but they never did" like it's some stunning revelation) There's a lot of stuff out there like this these days, not just Trek. Even decent stuff, like For All Mankind which seems to be pretty well regarded. You can't tell me that show has a massive audience, yet they're (happily) getting a third season on Apple TV. Somebody must be watching Lost in Space...? Did you know they're still making that? Is the Trek stuff being made now really drawing in new fans, or is it appeasing whichever subset of the existing fanbase still willing and able to drop cash to see/play it? Honestly we're probably not going to get the answers to these questions until we're reading the tell all book on our cracked tablets huddled in our climate-apocalypse ravaged hovels in another 20 years.
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Mar 13, 2022 18:09
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People were also talking about this phenomenon in the RLM thread, it's kind of just how things are now with streaming. Technically this is the most simultaneous Trek we've ever had, but it feels nothing like the 90s. Partially that's because these new shows are only like 10 episodes a season and the seasons are released kind of erratically. But also, each show is catering to a different demographic and there isn't necessarily much overlap. This appears to be by design, and I'm guessing there's a good reason for it (business-wise). I do also think there's an element of the streaming economy, and "engagement" driven economy in general, that's suspiciously hard to quantify. I'm always wondering if it'll suddenly kind of just collapse some day. IDK, I guess it makes as much sense as anything else in this economy...
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Mar 13, 2022 19:27
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McSpanky posted:I don't think nutrek is a flaming trainwreck failure or anything, I just also don't think it's some kind of cultural juggernaut or anything either. It's just there, much like JJtrek is, trucking along whether it's quality or not, not really giving a poo poo about being quality because that's not what the people in charge want right now, and that's a real shame. (Cue the sadbrain "but they never did" like it's some stunning revelation) Yeah, I have plenty of Trek dweeb friends and hardly anyone watches the new stuff. A few of them weren't even aware there were new Trek shows being made since they're not on TV.
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Mar 13, 2022 20:08
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TV in general doesn’t get 90s viewership numbers anymore, but it also definitely doesn’t help that all new Trek is constrained to a single streaming service that hardly anyone cares about vs being sold into syndication nationwide or being used as the premiere anchor of an actual cable channel. You’re never going to see Trek hit that 90s heyday of cultural ubiquity again unless they make a movie that somehow makes Avengers money.
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Mar 13, 2022 20:12
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Sir Lemming posted:People were also talking about this phenomenon in the RLM thread, it's kind of just how things are now with streaming. Technically this is the most simultaneous Trek we've ever had, but it feels nothing like the 90s. Partially that's because these new shows are only like 10 episodes a season and the seasons are released kind of erratically. But also, each show is catering to a different demographic and there isn't necessarily much overlap. This appears to be by design, and I'm guessing there's a good reason for it (business-wise).
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