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I think the streaming service situation is mostly just what cable was like before bundling (and a lot of people really hated bundling towards the end). And there's maybe 20 streaming subscriptions tops, but only like 5 that people really care about. I don't really know what the internal systems are like for these places, but I guess a big worry might be the reintroduction of commercials. Not even because their business model starts falling apart, just because that's money that they can make.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I think the streaming service situation is mostly just what cable was like before bundling (and a lot of people really hated bundling towards the end). And there's maybe 20 streaming subscriptions tops, but only like 5 that people really care about. peacock already has commercials with a paid subscription
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Mar 14, 2022 01:24
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So does Paramount+, Hulu, HBO Max... As long as they never take away the ability to pay a little bit more and not have them.
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bull3964 posted:As long as they never take away the ability to pay a little bit more Think about what you're saying here.
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bull3964 posted:So does Paramount+, Hulu, HBO Max...
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Winifred Madgers posted:Think about what you're saying here. That's why I said little. Josh Lyman posted:The HBO Max ads are like 30 sec prerolls for their own shows that you can skip. Much different than Hulu throwing in TV style commercials. Those are the ads on the normal service. There's a $10 ad supported tier now that has up to 4 minutes of ads per hour.
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Mar 14, 2022 02:53
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Do members of the Federation maintain their own non-Federation fleets or is it just all in on the combined force? Like I feel like I've seen Vulcan ships cruising around doing their own thing but that may have been Enterprise pre-federation.
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bull3964 posted:Those are the ads on the normal service. There's a $10 ad supported tier now that has up to 4 minutes of ads per hour. With nobody under the illusion they aren't actively planning to expand those four minutes over time. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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Tom Tucker posted:Do members of the Federation maintain their own non-Federation fleets or is it just all in on the combined force? Like I feel like I've seen Vulcan ships cruising around doing their own thing but that may have been Enterprise pre-federation. That was mostly in Enterprise, yes, although Vulcan ships have shown up in TNG as well. I don't think it's ever made clear one way or the other, but I think the general idea was that Starfleet handles all the military/diplomatic/foreign policy needs of the Federation but member worlds could still have their own ships. You don't see many of them, but there's plenty of mentions of civilian ships like freighters and transports from Federation members over the course of the various series.
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Mar 14, 2022 03:33
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A Vulcan ship shows up in one of the best episodes of Lower Decks.
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Mar 14, 2022 03:37
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I imagine Vulcans talk a big game about integrating with Starfleet and then never follow through
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Mar 14, 2022 03:42
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Tom Tucker posted:Do members of the Federation maintain their own non-Federation fleets or is it just all in on the combined force? Like I feel like I've seen Vulcan ships cruising around doing their own thing but that may have been Enterprise pre-federation.
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McSpanky posted:A Vulcan ship shows up in one of the best episodes of Lower Decks. Ah that's right that's what I was thinking of! That was indeed a great episode.
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Mar 14, 2022 06:00
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I vaguely remember an episode of DS9 talking about Bajor's eventual Federation membership meaning the Bajoran Militia would eventually be absorbed into Starfleet, but I guess it could be a case- by-case scenario and advanced enough worlds maintaining some autonomy would make sense
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Mar 14, 2022 06:03
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Lower Decks gave the impression that by and large the 'adventurous' Vulcans go to Starfleet and the uptight ultra-regimented ones go out on Vulcan science/explorer ships.
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I think there's a decent amount of human ships even that aren't part of Starfleet, although I think as the series goes on, it forgets more and more about that. There's kind of a thing earlier on when Starfleet was the elite very best the Federation had to offer but there were a decent amount of schlubs who found their own way towards bumming around space, and then it moved more to the idea that spaceships are too important to not be under government control, but don't worry because if you're a good boy and study in school you can into space. It's probably more that once you got the behemoth of Starfleet looking out for you, you don't really need to worry about building warships to defend yourself, you're not allowed to do conquests, and you're probably not supposed to do deep space exploration and first contact on your own, so there's not really much to do unless you get interested in space science, colonization, or mining. Even then, you can get away with just asking Starfleet to give you a lift a lot of the time. Although maybe there's more unarmed passenger ships at the heart of the Federation where the show doesn't like to go just to keep galactic society moving.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Although maybe there's more unarmed passenger ships at the heart of the Federation where the show doesn't like to go just to keep galactic society moving.     
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Nessus posted:Weirdly the OG Star Trek Technical Manual had concepts for this, with a big tug-type ship which would pull along giant standardized containers. The ships used to run the Romulan evacuation in Picard are a sovereign-class-era update of the same concept, basically big space trains.  
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Mar 14, 2022 07:21
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yeah lemme get uhhh couple of Mark III Reefers MikeJF posted:The ships used to run the Romulan evacuation in Picard are a sovereign-class-era update of the same concept, basically big space trains. I kind of like how weird this one looks
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I like it because it's basically 'take a standard Starfleet esque saucer and chop out most of it because all you need are the engines and a small crew'
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So this kind of came up while I was talking to my friends and it's a cool little thought experiment. When someone mentions TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY to you out of the blue -- what is the subconscious image or episode that immediately pops into your head? I guess the goal here would be to imagine yourself not thinking about Trek, and just being asked out of the blue. I'm asking that fully knowing that we watch Star Trek a lot so it MIGHT be the one you watched recently, but for me the fun is just trying to analyze what my favourite episode is, or even if it's not my favourite what the most "imprinted" episode of each might be. For me it would be TOS: Tribbles -- I don't watch or know a lot of TOS at ALL. This series is mostly a big miss for me, and when I think of TOS literally the image that pops into my head is Kirk opening that chute and being buried by Tribbles. I pretty much don't have ANY other mental image of that series outside of the movies. TNG: Cause and Effect. Specifically the post-impact Enterprise careening out of control. If I didn't watch TV for the next twenty years and someone said TNG I firmly believe this is the specific image that would pop into my head. DS9: This one is hard because it all kind of melts together. There's honestly no one episode that stands out to me, and the mental image I get when I think of DS9 is just a vague shot of the promenade. It's weird because this is probably my favourite Trek, but thinking honestly there's no one episode that just floods my memory. If I think about it for a microsecond more, I think House of Quark is the episode that forms from the vague brown-and-red promenade blur because I love Quark and I love Klingon episodes and this one was just top notch for me. VOY: The Doctor threatening to use the Photonic Cannon! End of story. Expand this to ENT as well, if you like. I have nothing interesting to say about that show and really just forget it exists 99.999% of the time. I watched it for two seasons and I'm not sure I could remember a single episode if I had a gun to my head. Oh I guess the pouty sexy Vulcan gel rubdown.
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The Antares in "Charlie X" was originally meant to be crewed by the equivalent of the merchant marine, not Starfleet - that's why the crew have a different insignia. That detail got lost at some point, which is why other starships in TOS have different insignias too - that was never the intention, it was meant to be a branch symbol, not a ship insignia. There's also the SS Vico in "Hero Worship" and the SS Tsiolkovsky in "The Naked Time", both of which seem to be civilian science vessels crewed by non-Starfleet humans. It makes sense you don't see those sort of ships much out on the frontier, though - you have Starfleet map out a sector first, and then once you've confirmed it's safe, the Daystrom Institute or the Vulcan Science Academy or whoever sends out a dedicated survey vessel to investigate points of interest and do a proper investigation, not just an away team taking a quick look around for a few hours.
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some kinda jackal posted:So this kind of came up while I was talking to my friends and it's a cool little thought experiment. TOS: I picture that production of Hamlet in "The Conscience of the King" for some reason. TNG: The crew as Robin Hood characters DS9: Sisko saying ISN'T IT POSSIBLE?!? mashed up with Kira in a rock VOY: Tuvok throttling Neelix to death ENT: Everyone shirtless rubbing each other with quarantine gel and a dog is licking them Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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For some reason the strongest image in my head of VOY is Paris and Harry Kim walking down a corridor and then Kim gets sucked out in a hull breach, I can't remember if that's exactly how it goes down in the episode he dies but that's what's strongest in my mind. DS9 is IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE TNG is Data blowing on dice at the Royale TOS is Kirk buried in Tribbles ENG is, yeah, the loving decontamination set.
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Discovery is Michael at that Ni'Var conference doing her neck thing as an infinite looping GIF
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Arivia posted:Paris and Harry Kim walking down a corridor and then Kim gets sucked out in a hull breach, I can't remember if that's exactly how it goes down in the episode he dies but that's what's strongest in my mind. I mean sometimes you see what you want to see 
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DS9 is either "only children enter at the first shap", or Sisko deadpanning "may I help you gentlemen" when Quark and Rom accidentally break into his office TNG is probably Data making small talk at a party
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First images that flash into my head when I think of each series, not favourites or anything just the first thing that materialises. TOS: Defeated Romulan on the view screen from Balance of Terror TOS movies: Christopher Plummer spinning around in this chair yelling "cry havoc!" from The Undiscovered Country TNG: Probably the Enterprise flying close to the sun from The Descent TNG movies: The shot of the bridge with everyone in holodeck sailing uniforms from Generations DS9: Kira and Odo leaving the sabotaged ops from Call to Arms VOY: Neelix in the bath from Caretaker (I'd like to say it was something cool like Scorpion, but that's what came up) ENT: Klingon in the cornfield from the pilot, that's all I remember DISCO: not just taking a shot at it, but nothing. I had to think hard for anything distinct, if I'm being charitable it's the nice approach to vulcan in the shuttle shot, Michael's sappy goo speech to Spock at the end of season 2 if I'm not. PIC: Picard throwing the no humans sign/the doofy magic flute-spanner
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I only just realised The Descent was probably named during the time in the script writing when they intended the Enterprise saucer to crash land in the episode as the cliffhanger, before they realised it would need a movie budget. That would've made the name much better. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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TOS: Just the bridge and all the sound effects. TNG: Picard giving a speech DS9: Root Beer VOY: Janeway. Captain Janeway, I'm the best captain in history, stranding all my people, their lives are filled with grief and misery ENT: Archer hosting various people for dinner in his quarters
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First images: TOS: The Gorn from Arena. The classic dude-in-a-rubber-suit school of monster design. TNG: Picard and Q in the void in Tapestry. I think it was the first Star Trek episode I ever saw. DS9: The big Federation fleet at the end of Call to Arms. Real “War!!!” moment. VOY: Janeway wrestling with a CGI virus monster from that episode with the CGI virus monsters whose name I refuse to remember. ENT: Decon gel scene from Broken Bow. Kinda set the tone for the series.
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I also have a powerful mental image of Riker as some sort of vedic god, his many arms playing trombones, serving large eggs, seducing aliens with ugly hands, etc
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Arivia posted:For some reason the strongest image in my head of VOY is Paris and Harry Kim walking down a corridor and then Kim gets sucked out in a hull breach, I can't remember if that's exactly how it goes down in the episode he dies but that's what's strongest in my mind. i'm slowly making my way through Delta Flyers and I can't wait for Garret to get to this episode.
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TOS: Tribbles TOS Movies: Double dumbass on you or KHAAAN! TNG: The ending of The Inner Light TNG Movies: Picard’s family dying in a fire offscreen DS9: In the Pale Moonlight and In the Cards VOY: Tuvix DIS: Spores, but I’ve only seen the first few episodes PIC: Icheb LDS: Borg lower decks PRO: Kobayashi Maru e: ENT: It’s been a long road, or alien Nazi chglcu fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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davidspackage posted:I'm reminded of hanging out with a weird burnout bartender when I was like 18 and when he found out I liked Star Trek, he tried real hard to convince me the US military funded it because it was intended to indoctrinate people to want to join the military. Just Star Trek IV!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Sisko deadpanning "may I help you gentlemen" when Quark and Rom accidentally break into his office I love this scene, but it's not the first one that pops into my head. TOS: Kirk's "let's get the hell out of here" at the end of "City on the Edge of Forever." TNG: Q in his judge's chair. DS9: either Garak introducing himself to Bashir in "Past Prologue" or Worf taking the turbolift to Ops in his red uniform for the first time in "Way of the Warrior." VOY: the outtake from "Worst Case Scenario," after Paris yells "Tuvok, get down!" where Tim Russ does like a thirty-second sell of the phaser hit. ENT: faaaaaaaaaith of the heeeart DSC: Pike saying "hit it."
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Kazy posted:Just Star Trek IV! Oh God, it was true!!
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TOS: The cube from Corbomite Maneuver. TOS movies: The auto destruct scene from III. TNG: Locutus. DS9: "You can't kill an idea!" VOY: "A-koo-chee-moya". I didn't really watch the TNG movies enough to have a strong impression of them, but my first mental picture would probably be something from First Contact, the best of the lot.
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That's a fun exercise! TOS: Kirk using one of those hallway communicators with Spock behind him is the first image, after that for some reason it's an away team on TOS transporters. TNG: Picard on the bridge doing diplomacy, I think from the one where he finds a loophole from the contract-abiding aliens on arbitration. DS9: Dukat at Sisko's table holding the baseball. VOY: for some reason the first thing is Janeway and Torres trying to figure out which Voyager isn't a time echo from the second episode...?? ENT: Archer doing the chainsaw logging ritual apology to try to restart diplomacy after first contact goes bad - man there was a lot of good stuff in Enterprise amid all the studio interference and decontamination porn.
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