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orange juche posted:Reason I think nukes wont be used is there's only one possible source for nuclear weapons in this conflict right now, and that is Russia, it can't be false-flagged away, and nuclear weapons have not been utilized in anger since 1945 and nobody is quite sure what will happen if they are. However, chem/bio remains a threat, and Russia definitely has stockpiles of chem/bio weapons, and a demonstrated willingness to use them, for example, Syria. Nobody will do anything, chemicals got used in Syria and Russia used them in the UK and nothing happened either time. I'd be surprised if anyone did more than finger wagging if Russia popped off a little nuclear weapon inside Ukraine either.
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Tomn posted:Someone's floated the idea of Polish intervention in Ukraine. Is anyone here able to comment on the state of the Polish armed forces and how they might fare in a real war right now? How's your month been, FSB WIZARD?
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Midjack posted:Nobody will do anything, chemicals got used in Syria and Russia used them in the UK and nothing happened either time. I'd be surprised if anyone did more than finger wagging if Russia popped off a little nuclear weapon inside Ukraine either. I think there’s a stronger prohibition on the usage of nukes on a global basis than just about any other WMD, and it’d be really drat hard to put that genie back in the bottle once it’s out. Putin may not be a rational actor at this point but I don’t think any of his generals want to be remembered as “the guy who kicked off the 21st century’s first nuclear weapons launch.” Also as an aside, last night I had a dream I volunteered to fight to Ukraine but kept getting frustrated because only Azov Battalion units wanted to recruit me.
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Soul Dentist posted:Is orc a military acronym or just a way to other the enemy? It's definitely an otherization thing.
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Kazinsal posted:It's definitely an otherization thing. Yeah, it’s really not great, but at the same time, I can understand where it’s coming from and their reason. https://twitter.com/brenna__smith/status/1505522582983958531?s=21 Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Soul Dentist posted:Is orc a military acronym or just a way to other the enemy? It's the latter, and it literally refers to Tolkien orcs. cinci zoo sniper posted:It actually is. Fun fact, there’s a whole literary niche where Tolkien is interpreted as with Mordor being USSR, and elves being arrogant western racists. Also found this link as well for good measure if you want a Western source on the subject. Funny thing is that when it shows up in Russia, "orc" is embraced as a title - the idea being that the elves were picking on and othering the orcs. It's sorta interesting that Ukrainians have adopted this phrase in the spirit that Tolkien originally imagined. https://www.eliotborenstein.net/soviet-self-hatred/ux203wgw78nxnwnlr98bud2fttdowm edit: Oh goddamn, checked out the rest of that guy's site and here, have a poem from one of these "orcs are good actually" stories: quote:“Brother, remember how we crushed the Elfin scum, NJersey posted:How's your month been, FSB WIZARD? p. bad, the boss is having a psycho meltdown and everyone is tip-toeing everywhere as fast as they can. Tomn fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Good lord at that poem All I wanted to say was that I watched the first EP of Servant of the People and it's pretty funny
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Wickerman posted:Good lord at that poem  It is weird thinking of what locations on the show look like now.
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https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_r8yjwpcHNv1vmay6q.mp4 "A Russian drone finds two soldiers that were MIA from their unit, pinned down in a field by Ukrainian fire. They were extracted later at night."
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ekuNNN posted:https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_r8yjwpcHNv1vmay6q.mp4 I originally read that as executed.
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not caring here posted:Well, it's been a while. I’m a fistful of edibles into the twilight hours, gently caress you for this. You son of a bitch. I vibe with the lyric It’s been a while since I’ve gone and hosed things up just like I always do. That music is cringe old for the younger generation, and just cringe for us gentlemen of gentleman’s age.
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EasilyConfused posted:You think the Russians are going to drop a tactical nuke on a city they have troops in? Mariupol is one of the only places where they're actually making progress. orange juche posted:Didn't the US do something similar except with infantry forces during a test? 1:19 is the money shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXX-1MIMr2E
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Alan Smithee posted:how much you wanna bet he winds up like John Walker Linde Actually he didn't ever say that. John Walker Lindh surrendered after the fall of Mazar e Sharif with a bunch (3-400) of AQ guys. Those prisoners were brought to the Quala-i-Jangi fortress to be interrogated for intel. The problem is that as was Afghan custom, the Northern Alliance guys didn't disarm the Taliban. They let them keep most weapons. When Johnny Michael Spann and the other CIA guy interviewed many of the prisoners at the Quala e Jangi fortress, they used interpreters. John Walker Lindh said absolutely nothing to either of them. A very good book on the Battle of Quala-i-Jangi Fortess is called First Casualty: The Untold Story about the CIA Mission to Avenge 9/11, about one of the CIA JAWKBREAKER teams (team Alpha) that was sent into Afghanistan after 9/11. An absolute must listen is the October 19 2021 Episode of Spycast. It interviews the author of the book as well as some members of Team Alpha, including the other CIA officer that was with Johnny Michael Spann and fought along side him when the Taliban uprising started. https://pca.st/episode/29ff7d32-10e5-4414-822c-35f5ca25980a Here's another great interview with the author: https://youtu.be/EI59XESzXFo For the Quala-i-Jangi portion only https://youtu.be/M_KK9qeiCow Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Yeah, John Walker Lindh is/was a diehard. A few years back he wrote a letter to the press basically stating how awesome ISIS is...
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Tomn posted:It's the latter, and it literally refers to Tolkien orcs. Holy cow thanks for the context. My eyebrows kept raising white reading the poem until I had to drop my jaw at the end to keep going 
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Tomn posted:It's the latter, and it literally refers to Tolkien orcs. This all stems from a Russian work called "The Last Ringbearer" written in the 90's. quote:Eskov bases his novel on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[2][3] Eskov's version of the story describes Mordor as a peaceful constitutional monarchy on the verge of an industrial revolution, that poses a threat to the war-mongering and imperialistic faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude has been described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the racist elves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer It's really well known in the Russian literary world and has had a lot of influence. I haven't read it myself but apparently it's very well executed. Unpublishable in the US until at least the 2050's due to copyright issues, of course. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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If anything, given Tolkiens life, Mordor was Germany.
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Murgos posted:If anything, given Tolkiens life, Mordor was Germany. If the death of the author isn't sufficent, they can murder the author, as a treat.
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Tolkien went to his grave swearing that none of it was allegory. Hasn't stopped everyone from believing otherwise, though.
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psydude posted:Tolkien went to his grave swearing that none of it was allegory. Hasn't stopped everyone from believing otherwise, though. He also hated that some of the races he created were irredeemable (or nearly so), iirc. I don’t think he meant to arrive there with the orcs and trolls, but that’s where it ended up regardless.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This all stems from a Russian work called "The Last Ringbearer" written in the 90's. I tried to read it a few years ago. I thought it was an interesting take on the idea and a decent read until about 2/3 through when it got bogged down in Umbar being a mediocre spy novel. I couldn't really finish it at that point. Icon Of Sin posted:He also hated that some of the races he created were irredeemable (or nearly so), iirc. I don’t think he meant to arrive there with the orcs and trolls, but that’s where it ended up regardless. Yeah the "born evil slaves, no free will" thing never sat well with his Catholicism, but he didn't find a way to reconcile them before he died so the closest thing to canon* on the Orcs and Trolls is that they're corrupted descendants of Elves and Ents who Morgoth and Sauron can basically mind-control and the idea of redemption was never explored. *Not actually asserted to be true in the fiction, but this is the Elves' best guess. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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psydude posted:Tolkien went to his grave swearing that none of it was allegory. Hasn't stopped everyone from believing otherwise, though. He Also noted on his lotr prologue where he me ruins this that whilst he hates allegoriana and made all conscious effort to not use allegory, it inevitably happens given the readers likelyhood of trying to find an allegory in the text.
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Dick Ripple posted:Yeah, John Walker Lindh is/was a diehard. A few years back he wrote a letter to the press basically stating how awesome ISIS is... Sociopaths are usually pretty complimentary of the people and organizations that facilitate their quest to inflict themselves on the world.
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An AP account of their team escaping Mariupol in the last several days. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-edf7240a9d990e7e3e32f82ca351dede
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mlmp08 posted:An AP account of their team escaping Mariupol in the last several days. Trigger warning- if you've been avoiding the dead kid pictures, don't read this.
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Well that’s pretty hosed up.The Guardian posted:A 96-year-old Holocaust concentration camp survivor was killed in a bomb attack in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, German media are reporting.
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https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1505865749616865288?s=21 It’s always hard to verify date/times, etc, but this could explain why Ukraine not protesting the strike on the mall the way they have strikes on shelters and civilian refuge points.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1505904424169869323?s=20&t=1iJzufP4on4TTnPexToFkA It's one thing to do Cold War esque flyovers when everything is relatively calm but when there is an active war going on next door and you've been making noises about the perfidy of the target and your ally is reinforcing their border forces this seems unnecessarily provocative. At some point, when pushed far enough, "I'm not touching you" does actually become a justifiable reason for a punch.
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Every war has its Caro.quote:Adam just wants to get on the battlefield as soon as possible. His first choice, he said, is to be a medic because he took a first aid class in the United States, he said. His second choice? Kevin Patrick Dawes had no experience being a medic or a sniper but he never stopped trying to achieve his goals until he got to do both in Libya!
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Still at a 4/10 on my personal Guys-I'm-Concerned-O-Meter. It's not 1962 anymore, there are still ways to get messages back and forth other than the Hotline.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Still at a 4/10 on my personal Guys-I'm-Concerned-O-Meter. It's not 1962 anymore, there are still ways to get messages back and forth other than the Hotline. The red telephone but it’s a WhatsApp group chat.
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FrozenVent posted:The red telephone but it’s a WhatsApp group chat. Oh no, we're hosed. Biden "ain't so good with the bleep bloops."  Also, with regards to the Fortnite Brigades, someone needs to teach the Ukrainian regulars the word "Weeb." That'll get the posers home quickly enough. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Every war has its Caro. I wonder what is the ratio of guys showing up (with no ties to Ukraine) to usefulness. Maybe 1 in 5? Even then I'd imagine being given a shovel and helping clear streets would be far more likely than running riot with a javelin. I'd guess they wouldn't give a gun to a rando especially if he didn't speak the language.
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