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Der Kyhe posted:They have mandatory conscription so the only exceptional thing in this is that it happens during an active land war in Ukraine. they have mandatory conscription, but that doesn't answer the question of how many people are conscripted in normal years
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d64 posted:Many news sites have reported that 130000+ conscripts have been called into service, noting Russia is saying it is not an action related to the war but routine biannual intake of conscripts. All the articles I checked left it vague if this matches previous years, i.e. if these are usual numbers for conscripts taken in in the spring. Anyone have an idea? According to: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/explainer-russian-conscription-reserve-and-mobilization quote:The Russian General Staff reported conscripting 127,000 people for the fall 2021 draft and 134,000 people in spring 2021 out of 672,000 summoned men.[7] The number of conscripts is relatively consistent year on year, with 263,000 in 2020 and 267,000 in 2019.[8] Approximately 261,000 conscripts from 2021 are currently serving across Russian units, with the fall 2021 conscripts entering their third month of training. So 130,000 is pretty average.
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evilweasel posted:they have mandatory conscription, but that doesn't answer the question of how many people are conscripted in normal years Unless I am mistaken its by age bracket, even in Russia. So basically "all men of age 18-19" or so.
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Pook Good Mook posted:This literally describes Russia for the past 10 years. That plus the speed run they started last month! Like I said, PerilPastry posted:Basically it seems to amount to a bunch of projection and
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Deteriorata posted:According to: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/explainer-russian-conscription-reserve-and-mobilization Thanks, exactly the info I was after.
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Der Kyhe posted:Unless I am mistaken its by age bracket, even in Russia. So basically "all men of age 18-19" or so. All men of that age that can't pay bribes or get an exemption otherwise.
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OddObserver posted:All men of that age that can't pay bribes or get an exemption otherwise. Or aren't going to school abroad. This twitter person monitors a Moscow mom chat group and posts updates from it occasionally. Members of the group p obviously have money. Selections: https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1505063271610863617?t=oYalhPe0ft-RgH7HK3gauA&s=19 https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1505064617042751489?t=b6x22a-S0BqoQ-wDn0WTiA&s=19 https://twitter.com/tanjamaier17/status/1508160167862587394?t=hQQ2ls1ow-nwvhLVYlozgw&s=19 She lived in Russia for a while, now is in Austria and has been coordinating support for Ukrainian refugees. An interesting on the ground follow.
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Tomn posted:Ah, the updating in 2007 would actually make sense - in 2007 the GLONASS PZ-90 datum (that is, where their GNSS reckons the center of the Earth to be) was updated to more closely match global WGS 84 standards. If they'd been using an older datum before then then their GNSS coordinates wouldn't have matched what they were seeing on the map, so even if nothing else changed adjusting the coordinates to match the new 2007 datum would have made sense. That being said, a further update to the PZ-90 datum came out in 2013 but perhaps that was a smaller change that wouldn't have made as much of a navigational difference. And of course, updating the coordinates alone without checking conditions on the ground isn't really ideal for map accuracy in general but I guess the Ukrainians weren't super interested in helping them update their military maps. Well, we built that bridge to Copenhagen because the strait doesn't freeze as well as in the 17th century, and we even got the Danes to pay for a lot of it.
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1509519457810591752 this is the red cross facilitating the take over of mariupol
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https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1509573628395982848 https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1509572796120281101 I wouldn't have expected the latter factoid.
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Okay so Russia is shifting focus to the south, right? You know what's in the south?? ODESA! So obviously that means Russia should do amphibious landing practice runs again. https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1509588801273970695?t=7EGci2e4__OLcd0eXTYQug&s=19 The ships were loaded btw. So the potential for Dollar Tree D-Day still exists. Oh by the way the weapons the UK "and allies" are sending include costal defense stuff https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1509587852409151492?t=ZDV_OoNfQi29t4HXbLQnIA&s=19 
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Eric Cantonese posted:https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1509573628395982848 Great, now you're telling me the russians gotta start bombing the fields too!!!!?!
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I dont know if this guy's account has been posted in here but he's providing a very intimate perspective of the experience of an American on the ground. https://twitter.com/jmvasquez1974 Mentions that he hasn't seen any Americans around besides himself, has an interesting perspective on the goings on of procuring equipment and has been vocal on his twitter about the hem and haw of accepting donations/actually getting equipment in the hands of folks on the ground. Definitely some  going on with regard to some footage of destroyed vehicles posted March 24th with some pretty enthusiastic Ukrainians, but no gratuitous close-ups of bodies that I've seen. Doesn't seem like his first war.
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RottenK posted:every time there's news about ukraine getting more weapons you get replies from russia supporters jerking off about how it's just going to get destroyed by kalibr missiles Other way around, whatever the missile hits is retroactively classified as a NATO weapons shipment
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Eric Cantonese posted:
Almost certainly a result of the country being on a war footing - I would guess that planting is being prioritized as critical. Plus a lot of specialty farm equipment likely got moved away from the front, tractors dragging tanks notwithstanding. Stuff like planters and sprayers are usually implements, so not self powered*, and can be hooked on any tractor with enough horsepower. They're also expensive. I bet implements mostly got moved out of farms near the fighting even if tractors stayed. So farmers in the west might have multiple planters running at a time when usually they can only run one. *some sprayers are self powered dedicated machines but almost all planters are tow-behind
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Eric Cantonese posted:https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1509573628395982848 I'm amazed by the bravery of the Ukrainian people. Not just their soldiers; but the truck drivers, train employees, and farmers that are keeping the country fed in the middle of a war.
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Eric Cantonese posted:https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1509573628395982848 Something something russian fertilizer. 
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KitConstantine posted:Dollar Tree D-Day Oh no. (I've come around to not being able to rule out such things happening, because the only reason why I would assume it couldn't happen is "obviously, russia wouldn't do something so obviously and catastrophically stupid" and, well, what with the invasion of Ukraine being what it is, clearly future military debacles are on the table at all ends)
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KitConstantine posted:Okay so Russia is shifting focus to the south, right? You know what's in the south?? ODESA! So obviously that means Russia should do amphibious landing practice runs again. It would be borderline suicide to land right now and it doesn't match their objective of securing the Donbas. More likely a demonstration to force the Ukrainians to keep forces in the south and prevent them from reinforcing the east. Just curious how he knows they are loaded and if there is information on which units are on those landing vessels.
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KitConstantine posted:Okay so Russia is shifting focus to the south, right? You know what's in the south?? ODESA! So obviously that means Russia should do amphibious landing practice runs again. The vibe I get here is like in one of those wonderful videos where a cat wants to jump some place and spends a bunch of time bobbling and tensing for the jump until they finally try it and, well, eat complete poo poo.
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MikeC posted:It would be borderline suicide to land right now and it doesn't match their objective of securing the Donbas. More likely a demonstration to force the Ukrainians to keep forces in the south and prevent them from reinforcing the east. Just curious how he knows they are loaded and if there is information on which units are on those landing vessels. There must be another source of intel showing how low the ships are in the water. Fairly easy way to tell how loaded a ship is, but does need a different camera angle and relatively high-resolution.
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Trump posted:You gotta spell this out for me, I can't access the article. Contrary to what the initial report might have made you believe the list the German Defense minister (Lambrecht, SPD) talked about was not stuff the Bundeswehr is going to send Ukraine, but the result of a querry by the Economy ministry to German defense manufactures what they might be able to deliver. The Ukrainians today were handed the list during a meeting in the Economy ministry.
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It seems like a terrible idea to send a landing force with one frigate.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:It seems like a terrible idea to send a landing force with one frigate. I’m getting a sinking feeling that this is going to end badly for the troops on these ships.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:It seems like a terrible idea to send a landing force with one frigate. Ukraine basically has no Navy any more, though I guess air threat could be an issue?
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VideoGameVet posted:I’m getting a sinking feeling that this is going to end badly for the troops on these ships. Makes me wonder if the've even disembarked these guys at all in the past few weeks. Keeping troops cramped up on landing ships drives them nuts and tires them out.
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OddObserver posted:Ukraine basically has no Navy any more, though I guess air threat could be an issue? It's not that they're going to sink the ship. It's that there's literally almost no fire support. Which means the landing force is going to get hosed As we've set up thread probably 500 pages back. Ideally you want strike craft and naval bombardment to occur simultaneously as The Invasion is taking place. Since losing most of your troops on the beach basically negates gains at a pretty rapid rate.
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MikeC posted:It would be borderline suicide to land right now and it doesn't match their objective of securing the Donbas. More likely a demonstration to force the Ukrainians to keep forces in the south and prevent them from reinforcing the east. Just curious how he knows they are loaded and if there is information on which units are on those landing vessels. I mean you could quote this verbatim as a reason Russia wouldn't try to conquer the whole country with 190,000 troops, and yet.
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Morrow posted:I'm not a tank expert, but this always surprises me. Loading ammo into a gun seems like something that should be easy to automate and provide improved performance over a human. Autoloaders used to be slower than an manual loaders during shorter engagements before the loader got tired, but I'm not sure that holds up with modern tanks. Having a loader does not add much to the logistical profile of a tank and is also an extra pair of hands which is very appreciated when you get stuck or wreck a track link doing a dumb manuver and need to fix that. I think they also mentioned that there was a doctrinal difference between the US and Soviet Union where the soviets were more focused on a rapid advance and gave no immidiate priority of fixing tanks that broke down on the way. The US however (and NATO?) had a higher priority on repairing broken down stuff even within a smaller unit organisation (armor company?), which made extra hands even more useful.
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This might be something decided by Putin and upper management, "there will be an amphibious assault and landing to take Odessa". Something akin to the VDV doing those stupid suicide attacks. And hasn't this been postponed at least once because the marines simply said "no"?
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RottenK posted:every time there's news about ukraine getting more weapons you get replies from russia supporters jerking off about how it's just going to get destroyed by kalibr missiles https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/24/russia-kalibr-cruise-missile-ukraine-weapons/ quote:Russia stuck barracks in the southern port city of Mykolaiv with a Kalibr missile earlier this month, the New York Times reported, killing at least eight Ukrainian soldiers who had been sleeping there. The region’s governor said at least 19 others were wounded. Using a million-dollar missile to take out a squad of infantry seems like not the most efficient use of limited materiel. And then there was this last week: quote:“As a result of the strike, a large depot of weapons and military equipment of the Ukrainian troops, including those received from Western countries, was destroyed,” a statement on the ministry’s Telegram channel said. Which is the Russians claiming they destroyed an arsenal, and evidence strongly suggesting they missed / hit the wrong thing. (I also seem to recall OSInt sources saying there was no gigantic explosion at the supposed site of the supposedly destroyed arsenal, which is what you'd expect if it was a destroyed arsenal.) So there's not a lot of evidence that the missiles have been having much of an effect, and then there's also the fact that Pentagon officials have been making announcements that Russia is " running out of precision guided munitions", which would include the Kalibr. So yeah, doesn't seem like Russia has that many of the things to throw around, or that they've been especially effective when they have.
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DeliciousPatriotism posted:I dont know if this guy's account has been posted in here but he's providing a very intimate perspective of the experience of an American on the ground. I've been following him as well. If you watch his early stuff he does say there is a second American in his unit in only one of his videos verbally, but goes on to deny there are others in future videos. e: I also believe Vita Zaverukha may be part of his battalion because she was seen at one of the same battles with the same vehicles on fire that he featured. https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1509607505537773568If you look at the beginning on the very left, they patiently waited for the fuel truck before pressing the button. Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1509598151669338128 Read this earlier today in Russian, and it’s a well written perspective on the potential court intrigue. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1509597448708239367 DeliciousPatriotism posted:I dont know if this guy's account has been posted in here but he's providing a very intimate perspective of the experience of an American on the ground. Yeah he’s mentioned right in the OP. KitConstantine posted:Okay so Russia is shifting focus to the south, right? You know what's in the south?? ODESA! So obviously that means Russia should do amphibious landing practice runs again. Just  @ everything in this post.
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Groshy Galipoli?Lead out in cuffs posted:
They have been hitting a whole bunch of fuel depots lately, which I imagine will make a difference. Of course I, don't know the kinds and purposes of fuels there. (And food warehouses. And Mariupol administration building).
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
Ah I haven't checked it in a while. Thank you and all the other mods and de-facto mods and quality posters (again) for being a major source of well versed and carefully investigated information on all of this. Especially the euro- and slav-goons(and mil-goons) providing context, translation and personal experiences with about as much tact+moderation as can be hoped for in this very strange, voyeuristic process. I got my first probe in 16 years of gooning in this thread and it honestly made me little happy because it was another reminder of how carefully this thread is being moderated. The work is greatly appreciated.
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FishBulbia posted:this is the red cross facilitating the take over of mariupol This is the Red Cross being the neutral aid organization it is and always has been.
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KitConstantine posted:Oh by the way the weapons the UK "and allies" are sending include costal defense stuff Speaking of equipment, the US has been getting pretty vague about whether their latest batch of weapons and supplies have been delivered to Ukraine or not. Last week the Pentagon just started cryptically saying that they should arrive "soon" and refused to elaborate. "Did we just hand off a bunch of brand-spanking-new drone tech to the Ukrainian Army? Who can tell these things?" https://twitter.com/CNBCi/status/1509194112347607047
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:It's not that they're going to sink the ship. It's that there's literally almost no fire support. Which means the landing force is going to get hosed to explain this further: your artillery for an amphibious invasion are ships. on d-day you had like the entire american and UK navy sitting off the shore - not to protect the landing craft from the german nay, but to pour a metric shitton of explosives onto things shooting at troops and that was against relatively lightly defended beaches with relative surprise invading a fortified city that's been waiting for you with one frigate offshore seems...non-ideal
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Read this earlier today in Russian, and it’s a well written perspective on the potential court intrigue. Definitely interesting. It will also be interesting to see how much of that winds up being a rally-around-the-flag effect, and how much endures. For comparison, some polling on Vietnam and Iraq in the U.S.:   https://news.gallup.com/poll/18097/iraq-versus-vietnam-comparison-public-opinion.aspx
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gently caress it let em come. Hopefully after anti ship missiles are on the shores of Odessa so the ukrainians can sink a landing craft and seriously gently caress the offensive up.
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