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# ? Apr 24, 2022 22:02 |
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 19:01 |
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Or, now hear me out, you could log out wherever you wanted. I know its something that most MMOs have let you do for 20+ years, but we wouldn't want to rush Chris Roberts, game auteur. It's always funny seeing how many features they have already given up without even realizing it.
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 22:03 |
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Video game master Chris Roberts confirms today that you will be able to house the speed deer in your Idris. You'll need to first purchase a Quantum Race Track (new money only).
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 22:26 |
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https://i.imgur.com/EMcUxaH.gifv
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:11 |
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stare citizen: both times Chris Roberts asked if I wanted to take a selfie with him, I said 'No, you're OK'.
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:12 |
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I must be living under a rock. The hobo went across the pond?
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:14 |
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Colostomy Bag posted:I must be living under a rock. The hobo went across the pond? Yeah same I can’t wait until they dust off Ben for his triumphant return
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:19 |
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Blue On Blue posted:Yeah same when's the last time big benny even mentioned star citizen in his twitter?
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:35 |
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I too love to forensic deep-dive press releases to conjure up my own delusions of progress.
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# ? Apr 24, 2022 23:53 |
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If only we'd manage to recruit him to our sacred cause, alas he is fearless and pure of heart
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:05 |
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Mellow_ posted:So 7 bytes for 500 people is a 3500 byte payload, or 3.5kb. But that 1.75MB is the data send to all 500 players, it's only 3.5kB/tick being sent to each person, or 0.56Mbits/s if you have a 20/s tick rate. If lovely old Internet connections in the late 90s could play Everquest or UO, I don't think that modern 100Mb/s connections that can stream 4k video should have a problem with 500 players.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:28 |
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pisshead posted:But that 1.75MB is the data send to all 500 players, it's only 3.5kB/tick being sent to each person, or 0.56Mbits/s if you have a 20/s tick rate. If lovely old Internet connections in the late 90s could play Everquest or UO, I don't think that modern 100Mb/s connections that can stream 4k video should have a problem with 500 players. + Face over IP and Space Opera over IP for the
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:41 |
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The movement data is easy, roll a 1d10 and on a 1 the play falls through the floor.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:44 |
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cmdrk posted:when's the last time big benny even mentioned star citizen in his twitter? not sure but would it surprise you if the question was 'wing commander' and the answer was 'yesterday'?
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:50 |
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"see that trash can over there, all the Wing Commander games can fit in it." Chris Roberts at the next Citizen Con demo.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:57 |
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pisshead posted:But that 1.75MB is the data send to all 500 players, it's only 3.5kB/tick being sent to each person, or 0.56Mbits/s if you have a 20/s tick rate. If lovely old Internet connections in the late 90s could play Everquest or UO, I don't think that modern 100Mb/s connections that can stream 4k video should have a problem with 500 players. I regularly play video games w/ people that are still unfortunate enough to get 5mbps down. 70kb/s is entirely unacceptable. Compare this to WoW which averages around 30-40mb per hour for the entire game. My estimates for how much data CIG could need to send might be way off. I could be under estimating, I could be over estimating, but 7 bytes per tick on average honestly seems way too generous. Also: please don't use EQ or UO for an example as to how little data usage games can require for multiplayer. EQ had (has?) a server tick rate of one tick every six seconds. Mellow_ fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Apr 25, 2022 |
# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:08 |
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Remember that time that Chris Roberts made a video for his Kickstarter campaign to make his dream video game for $2 million dollars so he could prove there was interest in it so he could get private funding of up to $20 million dollars and then he released his dream game? No, neither do I.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:08 |
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How much bandwidth does a coffee cup hinden in a cave in a forest use? The cup is still quarter full with four day old coffee that the milk has started to churn, it also has what looks like a pubic hair floating in it. On the side of the cup is printed "Verse worst Father". If you inspect the cup forensically, you can find marks from two or three chins and finger prints to a "Mae Demming" On the bottom of the cup it says "Made in Space China" Kosumo fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Kosumo posted:+ Face over IP and Space Opera over IP for the I'm assuming all that stuff will be quietly dumped.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:53 |
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Mellow_ posted:I regularly play video games w/ people that are still unfortunate enough to get 5mbps down. 70kb/s is entirely unacceptable. I'm pretty sure EQ sends movement vectors much more frequently, but yeah. I once played in a dungeon with a person on an airplane over the continental US we know the reality of what SC is sending over the wire is way, way worse than any good theoretical. IIRC they were sending entire UI panels over the wire in such a way that you could gently caress with someone else's HUD.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:56 |
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cmdrk posted:I'm pretty sure EQ sends movement vectors much more frequently, but yeah. I once played in a dungeon with a person on an airplane over the continental US Yeah you're almost certainly right. Anyways, MMO constraints are much looser than giant space world with expected response times of a FPS shooter.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 04:02 |
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cmdrk posted:when's the last time big benny even mentioned star citizen in his twitter? He's too busy with Wing Commander. I mean, it's understandable, keeping with that game's news is a full-time jobs.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 04:17 |
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so what you're saying is that we need server meshing checkmate goonifas fludster!! i joined the star citizer discord tonight and it's kind of amusing to watch the streams and witness the bug parkour in real time. such as quote:[9:45 PM] : i reloged in my redeemer
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 04:19 |
Some company is going to come up with some really clever networking infrastructure to support a large scale MMO but just lol if anyone genuinely believes it'll be CIG. They tried to make a 20v20 Battlefield clone and it went so poorly it hasn't been heard of in 3 years.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 04:22 |
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i don't know if anyone's posted it yet, but someone's going after Chris Robert's crown for "worst optimized models". There's a boss with 1.8 million triangles lol. https://twitter.com/DeathChaos25/status/1505243871009247234
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 04:29 |
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Trillhouse posted:i don't know if anyone's posted it yet, but someone's going after Chris Robert's crown for "worst optimized models". Oh hey the original FF14 team must have worked on this!
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 07:54 |
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cmdrk posted:now I again have the desire to do some network capture the next time there's a free fly to see just how loving bad it is I do recall someone did, and I think it was megabytes per second. Because it sends all the data about everything to every client. Recall that it made 100+ Mb logs of everything anyone on the server has made, full verbose, stored on every client's hard drive. Neither the data sent, nor the log had any distance culling either
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 08:06 |
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Oh for the Goon/Star Citizen hater who used to make the best photoshops - Galox?
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 08:11 |
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Mellow_ posted:They can't answer how they're going to solve these problems because quite frankly they are very difficult problems to solve. They're pushing mathematical boundaries. Thanks for actually running the proverbial numbers commando! To add, now imagine they try to compress further things into the payload, like physicalized bullets and missiles each with locations move vectors, blast radii also particle effects and ship damage that's supposedly to be synced across all players magically. On top of keeping tabs on volumetric data like argon levels, heart rates of every player, blood flow, blood toxicity, to to mention that every player is able to see mobiglass updates from other players (its hilarious). Tier 0.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 08:51 |
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Blue On Blue posted:Yeah same
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 09:03 |
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pisshead posted:I'm assuming all that stuff will be quietly dumped. There is no quiet dump with Chris Roberts Star Citizen. When Chris rides on his porcelain throne it sounds something like this ..... "Sandi, ... Sandi,.... I need uh help ... Um, please, SANDI!!!!! I have an .... Ouch it's to big ... And ummm Hard, Sandi, argh, help it's coming out ....... Oh my, OH MY, this is, argh,.... The biggest ..... Oh .... YEAH ....here it, um, is .......my hand waving is not stopping it!" Plop "Sandi, I call it a Hannibal - $450 war bonds, $500 with out LTI*" Selling poo poo. *LTI means more money for Chris (to then be taken by Sandi.) Kosumo fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Popete posted:Some company is going to come up with some really clever networking infrastructure to support a large scale MMO but just lol if anyone genuinely believes it'll be CIG. They tried to make a 20v20 Battlefield clone and it went so poorly it hasn't been heard of in 3 years. No, they won't, because there is no money in it. MMOs are not precisely a thriving genre and if a company wants to make a really large scale one they will find that a) It will require more complicated/expensive tech, b) It will be more difficult to create gameplay/content for it, and c) You'll need a larger playerbase to keep it afloat. So, from the start, you're shooting yourself in the foot three times to get into a genre where it has been clearly shown that most people actually prefer smaller groups. So your hope is to capture a very large amount of the players that are the most difficult to please. Yeah.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 11:50 |
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Trillhouse posted:i don't know if anyone's posted it yet, but someone's going after Chris Robert's crown for "worst optimized models". There's a boss with 1.8 million triangles lol. FF developers confirmed to have been watching SC closely. CIG's influence is sweeping over the industry! invest in an idris NOW!
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 14:17 |
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trucutru posted:No, they won't, because there is no money in it. MMOs are not precisely a thriving genre and if a company wants to make a really large scale one they will find that a) It will require more complicated/expensive tech, b) It will be more difficult to create gameplay/content for it, and c) You'll need a larger playerbase to keep it afloat. So, from the start, you're shooting yourself in the foot three times to get into a genre where it has been clearly shown that most people actually prefer smaller groups. the only way you can get to "100s of planets, with more content than skyrim in every crater!" is either by procedurally generating every drat thing, or by having player created content, or both. CIG has neither. this, of course, is antithetical to their erm.. charity model. IMO that's how MMOs are going to have to go if stupid amounts of players are their design goal.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 14:27 |
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Mellow_ posted:lol it's absolutely insane what 300 trillion manhours of opensource development sponsored by amazon, google, et al. has done for scalability in the interwebs i'm sure robert's space industry can do it too
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 17:20 |
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What the “simulate everything” people forget is just how much abstraction is a fundamental part of game design. There’s always stuff you don’t see because you’d never notice it anyway. Like Uldah in FFXIV is a convincing “big city” despite having a limited number of actual buildings and NPCs because they’re smart about how it’s designed and the layout and so on. And there’s player behavior to think of. You get however many thousands of players you imagine on meshed servers and you’ll see the vast majority clustered together in the central hub area(s). And those will exist because you’re going to design some parts of the world to be more commonly visited than others. You’re gonna see people there talking about politics or their favorite shows or engaged in weird group in jokes. It’s not gonna be a convincing interstellar society, it’s gonna be a chat room. Thus for all MUDs.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 17:36 |
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Theater of Where! posted:Is it just me or its been more than a year since we heared about this 3rd game CIg is developping that was supposed to help making balancing in SC and Sqadron 42. Since CR is supposed to be in Uk to " FINISH'' SQ42 episode 1 do they still plan to use Theaters of war to balance it??? Or Does theaters of war is the new Sata ball and we will never hear anything about it again?? quote:This is what happened to Firesprite. I'm 99% positive ToW is not being currently worked on anymore, shelved until further notice quote:
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 18:42 |
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I have another theory that fits with the narrative - Chris Roberts has been Gitmo’d and his crisis actor replacement cyborg has been programmed to slowly wind the project down without people asking too many questions. You’ll see a slow wind down before “Chris” mysteriously vanishes from the public eye for a few years, after which “he” will re-emerge to do the deep state’s bidding.
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# ? Jun 7, 2024 19:01 |
I love how everyone has figured out the roadmap is completely pointless as it doesn't actually tell you when anything will be done only that some people are working on something with a very vague description and yet white knights keep pointing to it as if it holds value. Also tons of items on the roadmap never get updated and are a year+ out of date.
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