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Slow News Day posted:This is from a month ago, and things have gotten far worse since. Is there something more recent?
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Cefte posted:An interview dated 28.04.2022 where the interviewee states "freight traffic volumes in the Shanghai metropolitan area plunged by 81% year-on-year in the first three weeks of April" is from a month ago? Hmm, did I have too much to drink tonight? I think I did. 
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Beijing halts weddings and funerals and closes schools in Covid fightback Stockpiling rife as city acts in attempt to avoid Shanghai-style lockdown https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/28/china-crack-down-price-gouging-food-shortages-covid-shanghai-lockdown quote:Beijing has closed schools and suspended weddings and funerals in the city of 22 million in a whirlwind effort to avoid plunging China’s capital into a Shanghai-style Covid lockdown. 1) Wow, 340+ million people under some sort of lockdown. That's equivalent to the entire United States. 2) It sucks that the CCP is pushing traditional chinese medicine (utter quackery) instead of focusing on creating a domestic supply of mRNA vaccines and, you know, actually getting jabs in arms. That's really lovely, and quite a contrast with our Federal response here in the States, for example, which has prioritized science-based vaccination plans and covid therapies.
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Apr 28, 2022 21:39
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Am I missing something? Have there been mRNA vaccines developed besides the ones by Pfizer and Moderna? Because those might be marginally more effective at reducing serious infection than Sinovac, but they don’t provide sterilizing immunity, or indeed general immunity at all for many. It would be good if they had more of the actually existing mRNA vaccines in China, but it wouldn’t make a structural difference.
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Wikipedia posted:Lianhua Qingwen was developed by Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical in 2003 as a treatment for severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) following the outbreak of the disease in 2002 and was listed by the National Health Commission of China in 2004 as a treatment for influenza and other respiratory disease.[2] Its formulation includes 13 herbs which is said to have been used for medical purposes as early as the Han dynasty.[3] Sources of its formulation reportedly include apricot kernel, isatis root, weeping forsythia, Japanese honeysuckle flowers and ephedra. The medicine is in capsule and granular form.[2][4] quote:forsythia 
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eSports Chaebol posted:Am I missing something? Have there been mRNA vaccines developed besides the ones by Pfizer and Moderna? Because those might be marginally more effective at reducing serious infection than Sinovac, but they don’t provide sterilizing immunity, or indeed general immunity at all for many. It would be good if they had more of the actually existing mRNA vaccines in China, but it wouldn’t make a structural difference. You are, yes. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/04/19/how-chinas-sinovac-compares-with-biontechs-mrna-vaccine A single dose of the Pfizer vaccine is far more effective than Sinovac. Two doses of it are also somewhat more effective than two doses of the latter. It's only at three doses that they appear equally effective. The problem with China, of course, is that a shitload of people (esp. old people) either didn't get vaccinated, or they only received a single dose of Sinovac when it first came out.
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Odd that they would rather weld people in thier apartments than strong arm them to get the vaccine
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Despera posted:Odd that they would rather weld people in thier apartments than strong arm them to get the vaccine C'mon dude, there are plenty of valid criticisms to make of the CPC without resorting to nonsense like this
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A big flaming stink posted:C'mon dude, there are plenty of valid criticisms to make of the CPC without resorting to nonsense like this How is it nonsense? You think I am making it up? I wish I had that level of imagination. Or is this a "SOURCES PLZ" when 10 seconds and google are all you need? Heres 10 more seconds to your life https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703503427818 Also if your vaccine is roughly as good as pfizers (even if you need 3 shots) seems like a better alternative to locking the population of the united states down Despera fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:Why is what the solomon islands doing at all a concern for the US? Australia is a close ally of the US and a lot Australian shipping goes to the west of the Solomon Islands through the Bismarck Sea. The thinking is that if China establishes a base there it will mean a lot of force projection west to PNG and south to New Caledonia (French territory). This will make shipping to Australia easy to shut down if necessary and considering our dipshit governments that hosed over East Timor means Australia is handing out unsinkable aircraft carriers to China. Not good for a country totally reliant on seaborne trade!
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Apr 29, 2022 09:21
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Budzilla posted:Look up WW2 history for Guadalcanal. isn’t china their biggest trading partner
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seems like if china really wants to do a number on australian shipping it would be much easier to just stop shipping to and from australia
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fart simpson posted:seems like if china really wants to do a number on australian shipping it would be much easier to just stop shipping to and from australia Is not trading with China the equivalent of not trading with everyone else in the world?
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fart simpson posted:seems like if china really wants to do a number on australian shipping it would be much easier to just stop shipping to and from australia I don't agree with the logic with the motives of each country but that is geopolitics. Or maybe the the leadership of Australia and China are dumbasses.
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Its easier to find new markets for a product than a new source of said product
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I've remarked ITT on China's propensity to abandon reform drives when the going gets tough in some ways there are successful entrenched effects (reshaping the balance between provincial and central government, formalizing hidden liabilities as debts and then bringing them to light) and in other ways the reform fails to substantively dent a long-term trend (e.g. domestic rebalancing) anyway, an recent writeup on that front https://twitter.com/Lingling_Wei/status/1519998712625389569
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Budzilla posted:Or maybe the the leadership of Australia and China are dumbasses. This does accurately describe the current Australian government, yes.
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fart simpson posted:isn’t china their biggest trading partner Since when has this ever stopped geopolitical dickwaving?
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Despera posted:How is it nonsense? You think I am making it up? I wish I had that level of imagination. Or is this a "SOURCES PLZ" when 10 seconds and google are all you need? What does a news article from Wuhan 2 years ago have to do with the current situation in Shanghai?
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It's petty, but I'm laughing: https://twitter.com/ThisIsWenhao/status/1520266656559345665 In "it's not really about healthcare": https://twitter.com/imandylin2/status/1518900857756336128 https://twitter.com/imandylin2/status/1519977671752830976
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Budzilla posted:Look up WW2 history for Guadalcanal. Why does the US get to say anything and threaten like this? Is it planning on invading those Islands again?
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FishBulbia posted:Why does the US get to say anything and threaten like this? Is it planning on invading those Islands again? What. Threat.
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FishBulbia posted:Why does the US get to say anything and threaten like this? Is it planning on invading those Islands again? Why are you making stuff up?
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Alchenar posted:Why are you making stuff up? China good, USA bad. What, you were looking for depth?
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Saying "we will increase our military presence in your region if you do x" is a threat, no matter how much you pretend it isnt.
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Unless, of course, we choose to believe that he meant the US would act POSITIVELY to the building of a base. Maybe we'd send them an edible arrangement? Otherwise the implication was clear. If you do this, we will be forced to act accordingly. It doesn't matter that he was vague, thats the point! The US will 'act in its interests' in a way the Solomon Islands wont like, so maybe they should reconsider. Otherwise, why say anything at all? Why not congratulate them?
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Varinn posted:Saying "we will increase our military presence in your region if you do x" is a threat, no matter how much you pretend it isnt. I went back and read the article. Nothing you just claimed is in it, from the USA side at least.
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Varinn posted:Unless, of course, we choose to believe that he meant the US would act POSITIVELY to the building of a base. Maybe we'd send them an edible arrangement? So, what you're saying is China/The Solomons would be threatening Australia, New Zealand, etc. by building this theoretical base there? But you're also complaining that someone else might do essentially the same thing to threaten them back afterwards? Warbadger fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Apr 30, 2022 |
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Warbadger posted:So, what you're saying is China/The Solomons would be threatening Australia, New Zealand, etc. by building this theoretical base there? And you're complaining that someone else might do essentially the same thing? Alchenar already shot down the claim when they first posted it quite well: Alchenar posted:Yeah it's a grossly poor-faith reading of “Look, I’m not going to speculate and I’m not in a position to talk about what the United States may or may not do in such a situation.”.
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Rust Martialis posted:I went back and read the article. Nothing you just claimed is in it, from the USA side at least. what does quote:“Of course, we have respect for the Solomon Islands sovereignty, but we also wanted to let them know that if steps were taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities, or a military installation, then we would have significant concerns, and we would very naturally respond to those concerns,” he said. the "response to those concerns" mean, in this case? The concern being "power projection capabilities". Of course he isn't being specific. Warbadger posted:So, what you're saying is China/The Solomons would be threatening Australia, New Zealand, etc. by building this theoretical base there? But you're also complaining that someone else might do essentially the same thing to threaten them back afterwards? The Solomon Islands are a sovereign nation. They can do whatever they want in their own territory. The US threatening a response to something they're choosing to do in their own country is ridiculous.
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How loving dare the US *checks notes* 'do things'.
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Frankly, if I was actually trying to twist his words I'd be ripping on him for literally starting his statement with “Of course, we have respect for the Solomon Islands sovereignty, but" but I'm nice and assuming thats just terminal PR brain
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ronya posted:It's petty, but I'm laughing: I'm surprised they're vaccinating anyone in Shanghai currently, afaik they'd (nearly completely?) ceased vaccination efforts there several weeks ago
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Varinn posted:The US threatening a response to something they're choosing to do in their own country is ridiculous. If you're just going to keep making stuff up there's nothing to discuss, frankly. Your fevered imagination to the contrary. Or do you have an actual source where the US government issued threats?
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Daduzi posted:What does a news article from Wuhan 2 years ago have to do with the current situation in Shanghai? He thought I was making the weld people in thier houses thing up. Do they still do it? I dont know. It was a counter example to giving people vaccines. Someone jacked all the vaccine money seems plausable and the olds not wanting to get jabbed makes sense. Despera fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Apr 30, 2022 |
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Varinn posted:what does Yes, so are all the other nations near the Solomons who would be affected by the increased Chinese military presence in and around the Solomons if China were to build a base there. Either a great power increasing military presence in the region is a threat or it isn't - and between building a base and a big question mark "some response" the base is probably going to be the bigger issue.
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I'm going to be blunt and point out (generally) that if we want to criticize China for acting like dicks to their neighbours and use that as justification for the US setting up coalitions with China's neighbours to contain China; it is probably fair for China to engage in a coalition with nations that Australia or whichever other US ally has acted like a dick towards. All of geopolitics is death note calvinball of course though.
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Rust Martialis posted:If you're just going to keep making stuff up there's nothing to discuss, frankly. Your fevered imagination to the contrary. If you're going to continue to pretend that you cant even begin to understand why quote:“Of course, we have respect for the Solomon Islands sovereignty, but we also wanted to let them know that if steps were taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities, or a military installation, then we would have significant concerns, and we would very naturally respond to those concerns,” he said. is read as a threat, thats fine, but saying I'm "making things up" is ridiculous.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm going to be blunt and point out (generally) that if we want to criticize China for acting like dicks to their neighbours and use that as justification for the US setting up coalitions with China's neighbours to contain China; it is probably fair for China to engage in a coalition with nations that Australia or whichever other US ally has acted like a dick towards. All of geopolitics is death note calvinball of course though. Yeah, that's not really the point. The point is that if you're going to criticize the US about increasing military presence in the region in response to a Chinese military base being built and characterize that as a "threat", then that same logic applies to China building the military base in the first place. Nobody in any of the articles linked told the Solomons they can't host a Chinese base and nobody here suggested they can't.
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The U.S. isn’t going to have a military response, but don’t be surprised if there’s a color revolution https://www.solomonstarnews.com/opposition-leader-meets-visiting-us-delegation/ quote:Opposition Leader Hon Wale during the meeting welcomed the delegation to Honiara and for meeting with the Opposition Group.
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