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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You were just saying a few minutes ago that the stimulus bill wasn't big enough, though. The stimulus bill should have been less about pork and more focused on the average joe. I bet if trump won he would have just passed $2000 checks and that would be the whole thing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ellasmith posted:The stimulus bill should have been less about pork and more focused on the average joe. I bet if trump won he would have just passed $2000 checks and that would be the whole thing. But again, these were BILLS passed by unanimous consent of Congress and the Senate, and worth noting McConnell was clear: If the GOP retained majority, there would not be another stimulus going out, and when they lost the election, they were clear about using it to hurt Biden as much as psosible. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...ble-11602165668 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/mitch-mcconnell-increased-stimulus-checks-checks-no-realistic-path/4091775001/ So no. quote:Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell again blocked quick passage of a bill to increase coronavirus stimulus payments to $2,000, arguing the measure has "no realistic path to quickly pass the Senate." Even more the Stimulus was now tied to the GOP trying to push for investigations into non-existent Voter Fraud. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:39 on May 2, 2022 |
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ellasmith posted:The stimulus bill should have been less about pork and more focused on the average joe. I bet if trump won he would have just passed $2000 checks and that would be the whole thing. Hmm interesting but tell us more about what you and your physical therapist and doctor do please
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Manager Hoyden posted:Hmm interesting but tell us more about what you and your physical therapist and doctor do please Not the right thread for that.
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ellasmith posted:I don’t know about other countries, but you can’t tell me the 2 trillion dollar covid stimulus didn’t contribute. I mean, I can't tell you if you don't want to hear certain things that dont' agree with what you have in your head. We put out way way way more money via quantitative easing and tax cuts under trump and it didn't touch inflation. Loving the spin from "I'm voting for Trump because he gives the working class money" to "Biden giving the working class less was actually inflationary"
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Jaxyon posted:I mean, I can't tell you if you don't want to hear certain things that dont' agree with what you have in your head. Let's be fair, they specified that their problem with it was that much of it went to companies instead of "average joes." Those companies then did stock buybacks and fired employees. Some companies posted record profits and the money went into the pockets of the wealthy. Caring about who gives them stuff (mostly material but also progress on social issues) and/or the perception of who gives them stuff is what matters for a lot of people in their decision-making process. But material gains (or the perception of them) is going to win out in many cases. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 00:13 on May 3, 2022 |
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Cranappleberry posted:Let's be fair, they specified that their problem with it was that much of it went to companies instead of "average joes." If giving money to companies was inflationary, they'd have an issue with QE or the Trump tax cuts.
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Cranappleberry posted:Let's be fair, they specified that their problem with it was that much of it went to companies instead of "average joes." Unless you are counting giving people money to pay their rent/mortgage or buying vaccines, then $0 of the stimulus bill went directly to corporations. About 88% of the bill was either direct aid to individuals or aid to state, local, and tribal governments. It was the CARES act that had a large chunk made up of the PPP loans that went directly to businesses or employers.
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Anonymous Democrats are resuming their campaign of trying to get Diane Feinstein to step down. They had initially stopped because of the California recall election, then started back up again, then stopped after her husband died. Everyone commented anonymously or off record (except for Schumer - for some reason - who didn't even try to defend her), but the times says their anonymous sources include at least 12 Democratic Senators, so they are gunning for her to step down. Feinstein still says retiring has "no appeal" to her. Pelosi seems to be the only person who is willing to go on the record and defend her. quote:As Feinstein Declines, Democrats Struggle to Manage an Open Secret https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/02/us/politics/dianne-feinstein-memory-issues.html Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 00:41 on May 3, 2022 |
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People who mention "too much pork" seldom have any idea how much "pork" is in the bill they're complaining about.
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Reuters did a deep dive into why Latino voters are down on voting Dem, as the NPR-Marist poll showed last week:quote:Hispanics Lose Faith in Democrats Over Inflation as U.S. Elections Loom
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Jaxyon posted:If giving money to companies was inflationary, they'd have an issue with QE or the Trump tax cuts. It's a fake comparison specifically because the stimulus bills Trump signed were incredibly slanted toward big business bailouts both by letter of the law and the oversight his fox-in-every-henhouse administrative agencies gave it. Only a quarter of the CARES act was individual payments and close to half was direct to businesses, with the rest to health systems and state/local government. The business payments were about an even split between large business and "small businesses" but it turned out that whoops the administration sent lots of that to large or administration-connected businesses too. I mean, I got a stimulus check, and the little company I work for got one of those loans for not laying anyone off, but let's not pretend it wasn't part of why 2020 was such a windfall for a lot of already wealthy people. ARP was about the same size as CARES but more slanted toward various forms of individual payments, bailouts for state/local governments that had seen their revenues gutted for a year, and schools. I don't have kids to get the child tax credit, for example, but some of my family and friends do so good for them.
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"Demographics is Destiny" is so laughable in hindsight. I'll laugh when Trump gets like 40% of the Latino vote in 2024 because Biden and the Democratic Party are so useless.Willa Rogers posted:A Quinnipiac University poll published on April 13 found that just 26% of Hispanic voters approved of Biden's job performance, the lowest mark of any demographic. Holy poo poo! LMAO!
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lmao that Dems are allowing a non-sentient thousand-year-old to continue at her powerful job out of I had a hearty lol at this: quote:(Last week, Ms. Feinstein was spotted flying in first class from San Francisco to Washington with her longtime housekeeper seated next to her.) because odds are prolly 50-50 whether she had mistaken the housekeeper for her chief of staff. eta: Now thinking of how Dems love using that "drive the car into the ditch" metaphor about Republicans and the natural extension of that into their current tack of "please, won't someone take the car keys from Grammy Dianne? " Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 3, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Unless you are counting giving people money to pay their rent/mortgage or buying vaccines, then $0 of the stimulus bill went directly to corporations. Jaxyon posted:If giving money to companies was inflationary, they'd have an issue with QE or the Trump tax cuts. Addressing the technicalities over the main thrust of their argument I am not saying don't correct the wrong info or be nice. My argument is not in support of what they are saying or whether it's correct, but about understanding it and then properly communicating to appropriately address the issue they bring up. Obviously people here read into it differently because they see RW talking points, zero in on them instantly and then go work to shut it down. The way I interpreted their argument (assuming their good faith) boiled down to that they need money/regular people like them need money, Trump did that for them, dems did not do enough, inflation was caused by giving money to corporations and social issues take a back seat. That's what I was thinking when I replied to Jaxyon's post. "Is what they said actually being addressed?"
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Willa Rogers posted:lmao that Dems are allowing a non-sentient thousand-year-old to continue at her powerful job out of What is the mechanism they should use to force her out? You seem to be alluding to some option that the Democratic Party has to force her to resign, but is choosing not to do so because of "decorum." Do you mean that they should expel her from the Senate? Based on prior precedent that's only been used for Senators committing treason, are you suggesting she's committing treason?
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If that person is for real not trolling, they seriously need to lurk more. Biden and the dems suck, and we do have to be able to have discussion with viewpoints that are fundamentally flawed or maybe even reprehensible to us. It's just hard to see "I'm going to vote for trump in 2024 cuz he cut covid checks better" as anything but laughable (though it may be representative of many Americans actual views [we're hosed hail satan]). Such views only highlight the failure of our systems, political educational economical and cultural and ok you know the rest by now.
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The ultimate "big if true". Also kind of crazy that something like this would leak? https://twitter.com/politico/status/1521288272021901312
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E: f,b https://twitter.com/politico/status/1521288272021901312?t=mLuE5Xtc3Gf2zVjyDhufGw&s=19
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UnknownMercenary posted:E: f,b https://twitter.com/politico/status/1521288272021901312?t=mLuE5Xtc3Gf2zVjyDhufGw&s=19 If this is real (and I'm seeing a poo poo ton on twitter) does it change the midterms at all?
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I'm sure each justice has at least one woman clerking for them. I would not find a leak surprising at all.Upgrade posted:What is the mechanism they should use to force her out? You seem to be alluding to some option that the Democratic Party has to force her to resign, but is choosing not to do so because of "decorum." Do you mean that they should expel her from the Senate? Based on prior precedent that's only been used for Senators committing treason, are you suggesting she's committing treason? You have to be mentally competent to be treasonous. But thanks for answering your own question.
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Upgrade posted:What is the mechanism they should use to force her out? You seem to be alluding to some option that the Democratic Party has to force her to resign, but is choosing not to do so because of "decorum." Do you mean that they should expel her from the Senate? Based on prior precedent that's only been used for Senators committing treason, are you suggesting she's committing treason? For starters, they could go on the record instead of hiding behind oblique, background comments to the press and tacitly allowing a dementia-ridden senator to ride out her term when she obviously isn't up to the job, even with her staffers' assist. Of course, if they did publicly call for Feinstein's retirement because of cognitive decline instead of hiding behind anon attributions then that might bring up the icky sitch of their Democratic president's cognitive decline as well.
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https://twitter.com/zackstanton/status/1521287480347086849?t=wcSy4wvq_A5NRQdtUlUh7Q&s=19 Welp. Insane that someone is leaking from the court but seems like things are turning out for the worst e:fb
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LionArcher posted:If this is real (and I'm seeing a poo poo ton on twitter) does it change the midterms at all? Bitterly lmao that Casey led to the overturning of Roe as some of us predicted three decades ago. But let the Big Tent prevail!
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Gonna laugh so hard if abortion keeps the Dems in charge though. The GOP are as dumb and capable of own goals as anyone.
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Anno posted:The ultimate "big if true". Also kind of crazy that something like this would leak? Don't bury the lead https://twitter.com/politico/status/1521289387073433602?t=RNxlwQuEho2IbesLcULNFA&s=19 https://twitter.com/politico/status/1521289584381890561?t=-xA_ZLfMNuPb5sLlJTNDKg&s=19
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Don't bury the lead holy poo poo at the last one
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rscott posted:https://twitter.com/zackstanton/status/1521287480347086849?t=wcSy4wvq_A5NRQdtUlUh7Q&s=19 If you, the person reading this, support the existence of the Supreme Court and the Democratic Party, you support this ruling and allowed it to happen. Congrats! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If you, the person reading this, support the existence of the Supreme Court and the Democratic Party, you support this ruling and allowed it to happen. Congrats! it's cool that whatever you support prevented this from happening. thank you goon sir or madame!
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If you, the person reading this, support the existence of the Supreme Court and the Democratic Party, you support this ruling and allowed it to happen. Congrats! Thank God you prevented it.
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Harold Fjord posted:Gonna laugh so hard if abortion keeps the Dems in charge though. The GOP are as dumb and capable of own goals as anyone. I doubt that'll happen, given the decimation of Roe via Casey, although I'm certain that Dems will wail & fundraise on it. Abortion was already near but impossible to obtain in many states bc of the onerous restrictions sanctioned by Casey and seized upon by red states. The scotus decision likely will lead to the pre-Roe status of abortion being legal in some states and illegal in others, not the criminalization of abortion across the entire country.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If you, the person reading this, support the existence of the Supreme Court and the Democratic Party, you support this ruling and allowed it to happen. Congrats! How’s the weather over in whatever galaxy your brain is currently in?
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What are your blokes thoughts on the Supreme Court overturning abortion rights
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If you, the person reading this, support the existence of the Supreme Court and the Democratic Party, you support this ruling and allowed it to happen. Congrats! The Supreme Court is fundamentally illegitimate. Also, gloating like this is incredibly juvenile and gauche.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Thank God you prevented it. I don’t think Biden is god but he can prevent this right now along with the rest of the Democratic Party. Pretty easy mind you. Just requires human rights to matter to democrats and their supporters, which they do not. Arist posted:The Supreme Court is fundamentally illegitimate. Correct.
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Maybe now Democrats will focus on state Dem parties & candidates as much as they've needed to & haven't in recent years.
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rscott posted:https://twitter.com/zackstanton/status/1521287480347086849?t=wcSy4wvq_A5NRQdtUlUh7Q&s=19 It’d be nice to believe that Democrats have a plan for dealing with this other than fundraising off of it, but I have no faith left in them.
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Willa Rogers posted:
I’m not so sure given text of the ruling, if the leak is to be believed.
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If it's true, any prosecutor who tries to prosecute a woman for getting an abortion should have their home address leaked.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I’m not so sure given text of the ruling, if the leak is to be believed. Especially given the line about an unbroken chain of punishment, or however it went exactly.
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