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How are u posted:It's going to be interesting to see if Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema stand united on this one. This is going to get really intense. How about this. I'll bet you $100 they won't do poo poo. "Intense" my rear end. marshmonkey posted:wonder if Collins and Murkowski feel embarrassed enough to lend their votes to this. No, Jesus Christ are you people still being credulous at this point or just trolling?
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Discendo Vox posted:If you don't give a poo poo about how the government works, or in speaking honestly about how it works, you shouldn't be in this subforum. wonder if Collins and Murkowski feel embarrassed enough to lend their votes to this.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:How about this. I'll bet you $100 they won't do poo poo. "Intense" my rear end. I mean, I would like to see a journalist ask them this. Is that so loving dumb?
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paranoid randroid posted:"Sure we failed to deliver on literally anything, and in fact let one of our cornerstone policies get totally repealed, but when you think about it isn't this all the voters' fault?" You can’t magic things into passing just because you want it to. Politics is a numbers game, and if you don’t have the numbers, tough poo poo. The GOP got this win because their voters kept on pushing for it. They didn’t throw their hands up and say well you promised you were going to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, and you didn’t so I am not voting for you. Progressives have that loser attitude, and that’s why Roe got overturned, and in a few years we will be having the same arguments over Obergefell because only one side plays to win, even if it takes time, and the other side takes their toys and goes home everytime they don’t get what they want.
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May 3, 2022 04:23
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Concerned Citizen posted:obama could have codified roe, possibly without even needing to abolish the filibuster - there were at least 2 gop votes for it. i am unsure as to whether the decision was made not to do so because it was considered bad politics or if because they simply didn't feel it was a priority, but either way it was clearly the wrong decision. and incredibly short-sighted, as the dem party often is. Looks like it was the latter. https://twitter.com/qaomene/status/1521299915699195905
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May 3, 2022 04:25
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Discendo Vox posted:The dem Nay vote was Henry Cuellar of Texas Oh hey this is the guy that Nancy Pelosi and other top dems are actively supporting against a primary challenger. https://twitter.com/OurRevolution/status/1519079493373149184 Really cool party, very supportive of human rights.
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I'll believe Democrats might sorta maybe think about doing something about this if they cut Henry Cuellar loose. Not holding my breath.
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TyrantWD posted:You can’t magic things into passing just because you want it to. Politics is a numbers game, and if you don’t have the numbers, tough poo poo. The GOP got this win because their voters kept on pushing for it. They didn’t throw their hands up and say well you promised you were going to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, and you didn’t so I am not voting for you. How many votes did Leonard Leo cast
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May 3, 2022 04:28
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Concerned Citizen posted:obama could have codified roe, possibly without even needing to abolish the filibuster - there were at least 2 gop votes for it. i am unsure as to whether the decision was made not to do so because it was considered bad politics or if because they simply didn't feel it was a priority, but either way it was clearly the wrong decision. and incredibly short-sighted, as the dem party often is. Bidens papal instructions were to trick Obama and keep him from doing this
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May 3, 2022 04:35
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Concerned Citizen posted:obama could have codified roe, possibly without even needing to abolish the filibuster - there were at least 2 gop votes for it. i am unsure as to whether the decision was made not to do so because it was considered bad politics or if because they simply didn't feel it was a priority, but either way it was clearly the wrong decision. and incredibly short-sighted, as the dem party often is. This is why I don't think the Democratic base will be as enthused to vote as a result as Republican voters will be - Republicans have pretty unambiguous and clear reason to vote for Republicans, who have demonstrated that they will absolutely vote to make abortion illegal, and Democrats empirically have not gotten a significant amount of legislation passed to legalize abortion. They just haven't done it. Promising that *this* time they totally will feels like a pretty loving empty promise
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Koos Group posted:With all due respect, if he didn't mean the phrasing of what he said, it's President Biden's intellectual honesty that ought to be called into question. If one intends to take credit for a success, they must also be prepared to take responsibility for a failure. I think it's common knowledge (or should be) that the president doesn't have the Constitutional power to pass legislation, and that that is Congress's responsibility. As such, if a presidential candidate says, "if elected, I will pass a bill that does x", it doesn't seem to make sense to take that statement on its face, but instead to hear it that the candidate is going to try to convince Congress to pass it.
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Lemming posted:Promising that *this* time they totally will feels like a pretty loving empty promise And yet that will (probably already is on Twitter) 100% be the messaging
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May 3, 2022 04:38
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marshmonkey posted:I mean, I would like to see a journalist ask them this. Is that so loving dumb? To pretend like you don't know what they are going to say in response is a bit baffling, yes. They don't have any shame. They don't give a gently caress. Liberals have screamed for decades that Roe v. Wade was basically the Rubicon for Court legitimacy and now that we've crossed it, we expect Republicans of all people to suddenly develop a basic code of ethics?
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marshmonkey posted:I mean, I would like to see a journalist ask them this. Is that so loving dumb? ....yes? I mean, their entire shtick throughout the 45 Administration was to be the credulous morons that said "oh, 45 would never do that, he may be a hate-filled piss balloon but he would never just do that," then turn around and say "well, he's new at this, I'm sure he won't do it again." Why on God's green earth would they say anything different now?
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May 3, 2022 04:39
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marshmonkey posted:Is this accurate? By "the Senate has the power to send the bill to the president's desk", he means "the Senate has the power to pass this bill, just as they would pass any other bill". They still have to vote on it, it can still be filibustered, etc. In practice, the current Senate lineup is so broken and dysfunctional that it can't even pass an infrastructure bill, and Beyer knows it.
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There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all?
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TyrantWD posted:You can’t magic things into passing just because you want it to. Politics is a numbers game, and if you don’t have the numbers, tough poo poo. The GOP got this win because their voters kept on pushing for it. They didn’t throw their hands up and say well you promised you were going to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, and you didn’t so I am not voting for you. You and many others seem to lack the imagination or cognitive energy to see beyond the paradigms presented to you. Wish we could have this conversation face to face, and the threatening interpretation is of secondary priority, sincerely. We need to build allies. I saw the northman this weekend and didn't love it. As time goes by, the more I think everybody should see it. People lived like that. That is a reality of human existence. If you can't roar at the abyss and overridden by purpose plunge into death for what you believe, go ahead and vote harder or whatever. Revolution chat can't go away.
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Main Paineframe posted:By "the Senate has the power to send the bill to the president's desk", he means "the Senate has the power to pass this bill, just as they would pass any other bill". They still have to vote on it, it can still be filibustered, etc. I mean, yeah, I feel like everyone implicitly understands that. I think the point is that by not doing it, the individual Senators are still making the choice not to, however. The point is that in this case you can't really point to nebulous circumstances outside of everyone's control, it's just that there are Democrats in the Senate who don't want to vote for it
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Lemming posted:This is why I don't think the Democratic base will be as enthused to vote as a result as Republican voters will be - Republicans have pretty unambiguous and clear reason to vote for Republicans, who have demonstrated that they will absolutely vote to make abortion illegal, and Democrats empirically have not gotten a significant amount of legislation passed to legalize abortion. They just haven't done it. Promising that *this* time they totally will feels like a pretty loving empty promise What do you mean by "Democrats empirically have not gotten a significant amount of legislation passed to legalize abortion"? Is there a specific state that has had full democratic control that you have in mind as not having passed legislation to legalize abortion? https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/abortion-policy-absence-roe Because California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington state democrats have all passed laws codifying the legal right to access abortions in their states. It seems to me that, at least at the state level, when the opportunity has existed for democrats to codify abortion access, they have done so. Almost without exception.
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LegendaryFrog posted:What do you mean by "Democrats empirically have not gotten a significant amount of legislation passed to legalize abortion"? Big D there. And the USA is the state being referred to.
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von Metternich posted:There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all? im pretty sure they don't want to be arrested by police in those states
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LegendaryFrog posted:What do you mean by "Democrats empirically have not gotten a significant amount of legislation passed to legalize abortion"? I don't want to put words in that poster's mouth but I assumed they were perhaps referencing Obama entering office in 2009 with a filibuster-proof majority after promising that he'd codify abortion and then saying "lol nah" rather than state governments, especially given the actions of a blue state government do not mean jack poo poo in the states where abortion will be outlawed
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von Metternich posted:There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all? You can believe something is a right and still not do it because everyone who does it will be arrested for murder. Do you think every employee of every planned parenthood in a red state will be up for that? They’ll certainly continue to work in blue states, and probably be open about assisting travel from red states, but that’s all that can reasonably be asked of them
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marshmonkey posted:wonder if Collins and Murkowski feel embarrassed enough to lend their votes to this. I can find you a unicorn and a pegasus while we're talking total fantasy.
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von Metternich posted:There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all? well it's less the supreme court disagreeing and more the police state arresting you for murder, i think
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OAquinas posted:I can find you a unicorn and a pegasus while we're talking total fantasy. cool
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von Metternich posted:There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all? Besides Red States vibrating with excitement over the prospect of arresting all of these employees, if you think anti-abortion protesters outside these clinics are aggressive and abusive now, wait until they think they're doing pro-bono work for the police.
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haveblue posted:You can believe something is a right and still not do it because everyone who does it will be arrested for murder. Do you think every employee of every planned parenthood in a red state will be up for that? Oh yeah, most of the employees, reasonably, will not be, but I bet some are. That was true pre-roe, even, and they didn’t have public opinion on their side. As a large and well-financed org, PP could be a legitimate center of (nonviolent) resistance in those states. A hypothetical future Dem president could even send in the military to protect clinics, ala Little Rock. The reality is that they won’t and Biden won’t and I won’t do anything to risk getting in legal trouble and we’ll all just live with it. Except the women that wont. But I would like to at least HOPE that someone will step up and be braver than the rest of us, and this is how they could do it, if such a person existed.
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Concerned Citizen posted:obama could have codified roe, possibly without even needing to abolish the filibuster - there were at least 2 gop votes for it. i am unsure as to whether the decision was made not to do so because it was considered bad politics or if because they simply didn't feel it was a priority, but either way it was clearly the wrong decision. and incredibly short-sighted, as the dem party often is. It would have hurt Democrat Fund Raising if they passed it. I predict that by 2025 they will be screening women for pregnancies when they try to travel to Mexico and other nations, that have legal abortion. Under His Eye.
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von Metternich posted:There’s very little chance Planned Parenthood or some comparable org comes out and says they’ll continue to operate in states that ban abortion, right? If you only believe something is a constitutional right until the Supreme Court disagrees with you, can you really be said to believe in that right at all? They’ve had funds in place for a very long time to organize travel from states where abortion is banned to states where abortion is legal. They always knew that Roe could be overturned at any time.
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Bishyaler posted:Besides Red States vibrating with excitement over the prospect of arresting all of these employees, if you think anti-abortion protesters outside these clinics are aggressive and abusive now, wait until they think they're doing pro-bono work for the police. Doesn't count as pro-bono if you're hoping to collect. They'll be looking for the bounty.
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TyrantWD posted:You can’t magic things into passing just because you want it to. Politics is a numbers game, and if you don’t have the numbers, tough poo poo. The GOP got this win because their voters kept on pushing for it. They didn’t throw their hands up and say well you promised you were going to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, and you didn’t so I am not voting for you. The dems have affordable access to my vote. Which I've been assured doesn't matter anyway, so I should shut up. e. Let me expand on what I'm saying in a way that actually engages with your point. I've spent years seeing people with views like mine getting a rotation of hectoring calls of VOTE! VOTE HARDER!, condescending explanations that now's not the time to be asking for unicorns sweetie, and unhinged accusations that its somehow all our fault Clinton lost to a human bag of suet. When I see, once again, statements that it is the voters' fault for this DESPITE giving dems the majorities they claimed they would use to do good things? Man, I'm just tired. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 05:13 on May 3, 2022 |
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This will be the law in any state with a GOP legislature very soon https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1521301392241082370?s=21&t=7ujusICJDeOWINqZ3Nw-lg
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TyrantWD posted:You can’t magic things into passing just because you want it to. Politics is a numbers game, and if you don’t have the numbers, tough poo poo. The GOP got this win because their voters kept on pushing for it. They didn’t throw their hands up and say well you promised you were going to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, and you didn’t so I am not voting for you. I get that you're just here to gloat, but no, this isn't on progressives, this is on the Democratic party centrists who have specifically tried to both-sides the abortion issue because they're afraid of alienating the more conservative Democrats. What they sowed was alienating the progressives, so this is what they're reaping
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FlamingLiberal posted:This will be the law in any state with a GOP legislature very soon I can't speak for all red states, but I know the one I live in has trigger laws to slam in draconian poo poo like this the second RvW is overturned.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This will be the law
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