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Cross posting but this is why decision and choice bullshit is...well, bullshit It's still loving stupid because if you look up the definition of a choice, the word "decision" is going to be there. Does it change the movie if we name it "Sophie's Decision?" It's a stupid waste of time that I guess is trying to make language more palatable to...someone. "I chose to quit my job" means the same loving thing as "I decided to quit my job" and if I told someone about it using either sentence it would convey the same message. I made a choice and decided to quit my job. "I chose to get married and, later, decided to get divorced" is the same thing as "I decided to marry and later chose to end the marriage." Meaningless semantics, really, that don't achieve anything. I watched a similar thing happen when "liberal" became a bad word so we switched to "progressive" instead rather than just admit there's no shame to the label in the first place either way. As far as the right is concerned, they're the same thing anyway and all it does is accept their framing instead of punching back and calling your opponents 'regressive' or 'against progress'.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Trump is going to not only win the popular vote but at this rate will also win nearly half of Latino voters and and probably around a quarter of black voters. Getting a little carried away there bud. Trump is not going to more than triple his share of the black vote and do over 250% better than every modern Republican.
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Given the supply chain/oil price issues are global, are there administrations around the world that are handling it well? What's a good model for dealing with the problem?
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Meatball posted:Cuellar is in a primary vs a progressive. Leadership would rather an anti choice moderate than a pro choice progressive. I wouldn't support Cuellar, because he's a piece of poo poo, but I'm not going to base my opinion of the party over how they handle his district. ex post facho posted:reminder that Nance as house leader said "we shouldn't primary Democrat incumbents" and then went on to support a Senate primary for Joe Kennedy against Ed Markey lmao
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Rigel posted:Are you expressing the ignorant, uninformed id of regular voters who are too busy to know how things work, and how that is going to be a problem for future elections (which is fine), or is this a serious criticism? I think the facts of the situation are a lot more important than whether individual posters have "those useless shiftless losers" or "aw shucks they did try but the votes just weren't there" feelings about the Democratic party.
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Mellow Seas posted:I mean isn't Cuellar's district one of the South Texas areas that swung 40 points towards Trump in the 2020 elections? My guess is that they are supporting Cuellar because they believe the progressive challenger would lose the seat. And for whatever it's worth (almost nothing, IMO) it helps with their "really, we're moderates!" messaging they are trying in the 2022 election (a strategy which is not a response to hating progressives, but rather a response to independents constantly saying "dems are not moderate enough," year after year after year.) Those people are libertarians who will never vote Dem. Lmao at still trying to court them.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1524827100812873728?s=20&t=H80LMpAISjFO7BR3PpyEKg "OK, Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube are no longer accessible to anyone who geolocates to Texas. Your move"
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haveblue posted:"OK, Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube are no longer accessible to anyone who geolocates to Texas. Your move" In a 6-3 decision this violates the equal dignity of the states. Honestly we've been screwed since Max Hardcore
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Harold Fjord posted:Those people are libertarians who will never vote Dem. Lmao at still trying to court them.
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Mellow Seas posted:I mean isn't Cuellar's district one of the South Texas areas that swung 40 points towards Trump in the 2020 elections? My guess is that they are supporting Cuellar because they believe the progressive challenger would lose the seat. And for whatever it's worth (almost nothing, IMO) it helps with their "really, we're moderates!" messaging they are trying in the 2022 election (a strategy which is not a response to hating progressives, but rather a response to independents constantly saying "dems are not moderate enough," year after year after year.) it's nice wishful thinking, but I'm afraid the evidence really doesn't bear it out a party that is currently watching Roe vs Wade die is actively proclaiming abortion rights are less important to them than keeping progressives out of power. there's no illusion that no, really, we'll be able to exchange this guy's apostasy on this issue for his support on something else later- abortion IS the something else later. it is The Thing that, supposedly, we have to vote for Democrats to make happen. again. but Cuellar will keep a progressive candidate out of the conversation, and given the choice between accomplishing their ostensible goals and icing out the left, it doesn't matter whether it's Build Back Better, the 2020 primaries, or right here, right now: some things are more important to the democratic party's leadership than any of the bullshit they ran on.
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Harold Fjord posted:Those people are libertarians who will never vote Dem. Lmao at still trying to court them.
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Harold Fjord posted:Honestly we've been screwed since Max Hardcore What do you mean by this? Wasn't that guy a disgusting sex offender and rapist?
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Mellow Seas posted:I agree that the way the media uses "independents" as some kind of gauge for "swing voters" is stupid, and that they are, for the most part, various types of atypical conservatives. They're not all libertarians, and some are gettable for Dems, and some are, of course, to the left of Dems. (I do believe I'm talking to one!) Elections get decided on slim-rear end margins, though, so they can't simply be ignored. I don't think Mellow Seas posted:independents constantly saying "dems are not moderate enough" are to the left of Dems. How are u posted:What do you mean by this? Wasn't that guy a disgusting sex offender and rapist? I dunno about any of that. He is a super gross pornographer who was convicted of obscenity based on the local standards of some Florida town. States imposing local rules on the internet at large is a pretty complex issue. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 12, 2022 |
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Mellow Seas posted:I mean isn't Cuellar's district one of the South Texas areas that swung 40 points towards Trump in the 2020 elections? My guess is that they are supporting Cuellar because they believe the progressive challenger would lose the seat. And for whatever it's worth (almost nothing, IMO) it helps with their "really, we're moderates!" messaging they are trying in the 2022 election (a strategy which is not a response to hating progressives, but rather a response to independents constantly saying "dems are not moderate enough," year after year after year.) BTW this is why the "just elect more dems!" strategy is useless, because any seats they manage to pick up will tend to be more conservative, not more progressive. As long as the party is unwilling or unable to enforce a consistent progressive platform, VBNMW* is just going to make the party shift further to the right. *unless they're a socialist
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So a school bus full of women's lacrosse players from a predominantly black school got pulled over in Georgia and searched for drugs. The cops found nothing https://deadspin.com/delaware-state-s-women-s-lacrosse-team-bus-being-search-1848916746 Delaware State’s women’s lacrosse team bus being searched for drugs by police in Georgia isn’t surprising — this is America If you’re shocked by what happened, it’s because you’ve chosen to ignore what’s always been going on quote:“If there is something in there that is questionable, please tell me now because if we find it, guess what? We’re not going to be able to help you,” one of the officers says in the video of the incident. “Marijuana is still illegal in the state of Georgia.” In NY, cops broke a 61 year old woman's arm for recording inside the precinct https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvnqe5/cops-threw-a-61-year-old-to-the-ground-after-she-tried-to-film-them Cops Threw a 61-Year-Old to the Ground After She Tried to Film Them Patricia Rodney went to an NYPD precinct in Brooklyn to get a police report for a lost glucometer. She ended up with a broken arm. TD Lady has diabetes and needed a copy of her police report for stolen/missing medicine. Guess we better break her arm quote:New York Police Department officers threw a screaming, 61-year-old grandmother to the ground, breaking her arm in the process of an arrest captured on video inside a police station in Brooklyn. Her alleged crime: filming the police. There's video on both
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Fister Roboto posted:BTW this is why the "just elect more dems!" strategy is useless, because any seats they manage to pick up will tend to be more conservative, not more progressive. As long as the party is unwilling or unable to enforce a consistent progressive platform, VBNMW* is just going to make the party shift further to the right. Except it isn't. It's a highly gerrymandered extremely blue district that's existed since '92. The two worst performances by a Dem in that district since it's inception are both.... Henry Cuellar (2010, 2020).
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Fister Roboto posted:BTW this is why the "just elect more dems!" strategy is useless, because any seats they manage to pick up will tend to be more conservative, not more progressive. It's important to remember, as is often pointed out here, that voter ideology on an individual level, let alone a macro level, is incoherent and weird and doesn't follow the media's pre-assigned policy views. A voter who is a GOP voter when he's thinking about those drat groomers teaching his kids CRT could be a dem voter who wants those god drat elites to pay their fair share, if you take him out of a context where he's thinking about race and sexuality and put him in one where he's thinking about economics. I don't think we're going to make much progress in 2022 because the deck is stacked both against Dems (because of an unpopular incumbent) and progressive policy (because it's currently viewed as responsible for causing inflation by many voters.) But in future elections, there is a lot of room for things to improve. e: * okay put an asterisk on here because I can defend calling Kaine progressive, but not Warner, who voted against minimum wage in ARP
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Mellow Seas posted:A voter who is a GOP voter when he's thinking about those drat groomers teaching his kids CRT could be a dem voter who wants those god drat elites to pay their fair share, if you take him out of a context where he's thinking about race and sexuality and put him in one where he's thinking about economics. It does seem, given that voters say the economy is their #1 issue, that Republicans have something of a built-in advantage on "economics" as the "business party," and that the current economy is very poorly regarded by voters, that it would be in the interest of the GOP to keep the focus on the economy. And yet we are inching towards the campaign season, and social issues are taking a really prominent place, between the Roe decision and anti-trans/don't say gay-type bills. Is this an unforced error by Republicans? Or, is it necessary for them to keep their base? If it is necessary, might it still hurt them with voters who would've responded to a more economic message? Do we think more culture war in the campaign hurts or helps the GOP at this point? They seem to be acting as if it will help them, and I think Virginia convinced them that it will help them. But will it? Are they throwing away an easy win by making their cultural ideology too front and center in what "should" be a "gently caress those guys" election all about throwing out incumbents?
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Mellow Seas posted:And yet we have four progressive* Democratic Senators from Virginia and Georgia, states that were overwhelmingly Republican in recent memory. There is no reason we can't elect actual progressives in Iowa, or North Carolina, or Florida, or Ohio or Pennsylvania or a bunch of other places that currently have at least one regressive Senator. We can also replace Dem Senators with better Dem Senators, like Connecticut has. Not to mention states like Washington where Roe was codified in 1991, have the highest statewide minimum wage in the nation and have a voting system that's a model for the nation.
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Mellow Seas posted:Do we think more culture war in the campaign hurts or helps the GOP at this point? They seem to be acting as if it will help them, and I think Virginia convinced them that it will help them. But will it? Are they throwing away an easy win by making their cultural ideology too front and center in what "should" be a "gently caress those guys" election all about throwing out incumbents? Conservatism is ultimately a philosophy of fear. People largely understand that things aren't right with the way the world is, but the vast majority of people have much more to deal with than navel-gazing about whether or not there are unseen forces that gently caress with the world to really delve into the details as to why or how that's the case. For the average person, or maybe even for every person, the world doesn't make sense, and so as a coping mechanism people ground themselves with things they do (or think they do) understand. The worse material conditions get for people, the more likely it is they turn to conspiracy theory or to some idealized notion of what things were like before. In the case of the GOP, they tap into both ideas simultaneously with their fictionalized idealization of the 40's and 50's, and their all but open embrace of the Q people. The culture war is primarily about control for people who feel that they don't have any. It isn't that people fear change specifically, it's that they fear too much change too quickly. The right wing media sphere is excellent at making people feel as though things are completely out of control, and is able to point at out-of-context fringe positions in order to force people into a position where they're uncomfortable and feel a need to retreat to something that suits them -- something like what they imagine or remember their past to have been. I think that social forces and material conditions are the largest predictor of the rise of conservatism in general, because increased uncertainty makes people crave security, and most security is theatre. It's why the democrats are largely unable to compete, you can't make people feel like their lives are better when they aren't as easily as you can scare people into the idea that things will get worse with snippets of "and here's how!" Or to say it more bluntly -- the GOP will only ever make progress with the culture war because it's something they can deliver on. They can manufacture whatever problem they like and then offer solutions by taking away rights. Whereas the democrats can't because their proposed ideals are falsifiable.
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Thought I would drop this interview that just happened with newly reappointed fed chair J-Pow. In it he says in weasel fed speak that a recession is most likely happening. He also talks about how a "soft landing" meant always hurting employment and needing to reduce the number of job openings because the labor market is too strong and wages are too high. He also invokes Volker and lmao at that section. https://www.marketplace.org/2022/05/12/fed-chair-jerome-powell-controlling-inflation-will-include-some-pain/
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ex post facho posted:reminder that Nance as house leader said "we shouldn't primary Democrat incumbents" and then went on to support a Senate primary for Joe Kennedy against Ed Markey lmao That's it! I have had enough. I am forming a party and we are going to take down Nancy Pelosi once and for all. I have it on good authority her phylactery is in the The Lava Beds national Monument. Looking for Healer, Tank, and DPS volunteers.
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Mellow Seas posted:Sorry for the self-quote but I wanted to expand on this a little bit - The economy sucking is a given. They don't even have to mention it. And all your average voter knows is that "the economy" was better under Trump. None of them remember the crash of 2008 and even back then FOX and talk radio told them it was because of poor/black people buying homes that the government made the banks give loans to. I think the culture war issue is a winner for the GOP overall because it galvanizes their base. It's very central to roughly 1/3 of their voters and slightly favored by more than half. There may be a a thing where somewhere around half of them don't give a poo poo but that cuts both ways. Meaning, 1/2 of the 1/2 of them don't give a poo poo about it or how draconian the measure becomes because a lot of them don't think it effects them. Most republicans I've come to know - the vast majority - espouse their ideology in purely economic terms. More money = good and that's it. They sprinkle some Jesus in there (and equate Christianity with it) but largely view the government as an obstacle between them and money, plain and simple. The wealthier ones view it the same way as the wage earners (money) but for different reasons and I've had more than one business owner I've worked for tell me I can't get a raise because of "the government". Then a new boat shows up or some huge expensive piece or printing equipment arrives.
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Kind of surprising that it is reflected this quickly in polling, but "abortion" is now a top issue for people who plan to vote in the midterms. Tied with "the economy" for #1 overall. Abortion was #1 among issues people said were "extremely important" with immigration at #2. https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_051222/
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Kind of surprising that it is reflected this quickly in polling, but "abortion" is now a top issue for people who plan to vote in the midterms. Tied with "the economy" for #1 overall. It's a little more nuanced than that. quote:Looking at just those who rate these policies as extremely important finds a fairly even distribution among abortion (35%), immigration (33%), gun control (32%), economic policy (31%), and health care (30%). Tax policy (24%) is seen as extremely important by slightly fewer people than the other five areas. Compared to a Monmouth pre-election poll taken in August 2018, immigration, gun control and tax policy are nominally less important than they were in the last midterm. Abortion is a few points higher in extreme importance than 2018, while health care is significantly less important. Economic policy has seen no change. I do think the scotus decision could make a difference among indy voters (who are polling closer to dems than the gop on the issue) but I doubt it'll impact, say, rep elections for the u.s. house. As I said yesterday, I'm surprised that healthcare and healthcare reform keeps topping the issues polls a dozen years after the "Affordable" "Care" Act. eta: Also, lolol that immigration dropped so much as an issue of importance to Dem voters once it was Biden running the concentration camps instead of Trump.
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Mr Hootington posted:Thought I would drop this interview that just happened with newly reappointed fed chair J-Pow. In it he says in weasel fed speak that a recession is most likely happening. He also talks about how a "soft landing" meant always hurting employment and needing to reduce the number of job openings because the labor market is too strong and wages are too high. He also invokes Volker and lmao at that section.
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Willa Rogers posted:eta: Also, lolol that immigration dropped so much as an issue of importance to Dem voters once it was Biden running the concentration camps instead of Trump. I wonder about this sometimes. I think you were one of the people who called this happening way back when, so maybe you have a different take here, but I think the main reason this happened is because it is essentially FOX which sets the cultural agenda. Since FOX doesn't care about immigration except as a fear mongering tactic, it falls out of public discourse. It's been a thing for a while that FOX does an egregious cultural aggression and then the entire media landscape, social or otherwise, spends the next X weeks commenting and reacting to them instead of basically anything else. So I think in this case it's not so much "yay our team is imprisoning children in trauma factories instead of their team!" and more just that the general public doesn't have the attention span for anything that isn't the Current Discourse.
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Immigration will be back in the headlines and back to the top of what people claim they're worried about don't anybody worry, it's an election year and we're due a mid-late summer MIGRANT CARAVAN BRINGING PLAGUE AND MS-13!!!! slate of headlines across the entire mediasphere, happens like clockwork
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Ershalim posted:I wonder about this sometimes. I think you were one of the people who called this happening way back when, so maybe you have a different take here, but I think the main reason this happened is because it is essentially FOX which sets the cultural agenda. Since FOX doesn't care about immigration except as a fear mongering tactic, it falls out of public discourse. It's been a thing for a while that FOX does an egregious cultural aggression and then the entire media landscape, social or otherwise, spends the next X weeks commenting and reacting to them instead of basically anything else. I mean, there are predictable partisan splits in these polls; see the switch between Dem & GOP voters on their perceptions of the economy over the last 3 years. But I also personally know a lot of libs who feel as if they "don't have to worry about things anymore" bc the senile racist rapists have been switched out by party.
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Kalli posted:Except it isn't. It's a highly gerrymandered extremely blue district that's existed since '92. The two worst performances by a Dem in that district since it's inception are both.... Henry Cuellar (2010, 2020). Wait so it's not even an issue of having to run the more conservative candidate to keep the seat? Jesus, it's even worse than I thought. There's zero excuse for the dems to be backing this guy.
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Fister Roboto posted:There's zero excuse for the dems to be backing this guy. Unless of course, you believe the job of the party is to moderate the Overton window, at which point, why wouldn't they. In good news, we could get a window into the job application black box we wont, but we could.
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Willa Rogers posted:It's a little more nuanced than that. Yeah, that poll basically asks what is your main concern and the answer seems to be "everything" Which I wouldn't think bodes particularly well. I can't think of a single loving thing the dems can really point to and hang their hat on so it's, again, the whole hey at least we're not nazis, right? Which, OK, I plan to vote for you on that basis alone but I mean come the gently caress on and do something. Epic High Five posted:Immigration will be back in the headlines and back to the top of what people claim they're worried about don't anybody worry, it's an election year and we're due a mid-late summer MIGRANT CARAVAN BRINGING PLAGUE AND MS-13!!!! slate of headlines across the entire mediasphere, happens like clockwork This is happening now because I'm overhearing a lot of "waves of fentanyl coming from China and Mexico" poo poo in my professional circles and, where I work, it's usually a good litmus test of what FOX and RWM are on about. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:14 on May 13, 2022 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I can't think of a single loving thing the dems can really point to and hang their hat on so it's, again, the whole hey at least we're not nazis, right? Which, OK, I plan to vote for you on that basis alone but I mean come the gently caress on and do something. Dems under Biden:
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BiggerBoat posted:Yeah, that poll basically asks what is your main concern and the answer seems to be "everything" Going by right-wing relatives, the latest threat to cops is when they touch a fentanyl-tainted weed and nearly die, and obviously those fancy doctors who say it doesn't work like that don't know what it's like in the real world.
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How and when did it become common knowledge that fentanyl is absorbed through the skin and or deadly on contact? poo poo isn't going to hurt you unless you ingest, inhale, or inject just like any other opiate right?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How and when did it become common knowledge that fentanyl is absorbed through the skin and or deadly on contact? When cops started saying that. It's also not true.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How and when did it become common knowledge that fentanyl is absorbed through the skin and or deadly on contact? I think it was a telephone game: 1. Medical fentanyl is often administered via skin patch for a low-grade constant dosage. Obviously that's not a bandaid soaked in fentanyl or anything, it's carefully designed to release drugs at a controlled rate through otherwise non-porous skin. Still, it being a very potent opiate makes transdermal more practical than for most painkillers. 2. Young children sometimes overdose on those patches due to low body weight plus slapping on multiple patches or putting them in their mouth. 3. People interpret those stories as "if you touch anything with fentanyl you'll be all drugged up." 4. Cops go "Hey this stuff I found nearly killed me touching it can I get some medical compensation or stack assaulting an officer onto that drug possession charge?" 5. Right wing media runs with it.
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Killer robot posted:I think it was a telephone game: Cops know it's catnip for low info viewers because when they were getting poo poo on for letting that rap concert turn into a stampede in Houston, the chief of police came out and claimed they were investigating if one of their officers was hit with a fentanyl dart. Two days after everyone laughed the guy out of the room he clarified that "uh, it didn't happen."
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Killer robot posted:Going by right-wing relatives, the latest threat to cops is when they touch a fentanyl-tainted weed and nearly die, and obviously those fancy doctors who say it doesn't work like that don't know what it's like in the real world. Simple solution: don't bust people for weed. Your relatives do know that in most states you can just go to a dispensary and buy weed, right? Maybe not. My former in laws were telling my ex wife about this new drug sweeping the nation called "cannabis" and, apparently kids are eating gummies and overdosing on it left and right. Their own son got arrested for having weed about 25 years ago and, since he was a teacher in a small town, it made the loving papers. Apparently, he was on his way to work (teaching) and got popped getting high in his car. HUGE news, I guess. My point is, you'd think they'd have some loving idea what cannabis is. Also, is lacing herb with fent an actual thing? What dealer would even do that?
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