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Fabricated posted:Kim is basically Frank Drebin but competent. "what *is* that smell?" 1. I don't smell anything. 2. Oh, that is foul, what is that? 3. That's me, I've been swimming in raw sewage. I *love* it!
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UP AND ADAM posted:Disco is just too good. Try nier automata if you want something as classy and cool and effortlessly brilliant I agree, but be ready for a lot of posts using the phrase "freshman philosophy"
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May 17, 2022 23:46
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A game about being and mortality? Pedestrian. I've been wanting to die for years
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May 17, 2022 23:49
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Discolikes so far seem to be adopting the style (which would be an improvement for most VNs) but not its intense and proudly displayed contempt for moralism. Mostly though it just comes down to the characters not being as good, which well, fair. Disco is a masterpiece in that regard, it's just jarring to play something pitched as a Discolike and every character you meet is first prefaced by some text telling you exactly who they are and what they're about. The discolike I've got the most hope for. Clam Man 2, is one that nakedly steals the style but in service of comedy without any regard for the rest so far as I've been able to discern, which means it's by far the most likely to land it
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May 18, 2022 04:47
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Wafflecopper posted:Just finished this and... it was alright I guess? The writing wasn't terrible but lacked DE's emotional weight, interesting characters, humour, and any social commentary beyond "giant corporations are exploitative." Not sure I'd class the soundtrack as a "banger" either, it was just sort of there, ambient and inoffensive. I may be wrong but I don't think choices you make during the game have much impact on the outcome, mostly it comes down to which ending you pick. Maybe you can rule some of them out if you don't help some people earlier but as far as I can tell that's it. I got 8 hours out of it, saw most of the endings by just reloading and picking a different path at the end. I don't see any reason to replay. If you're really into Disco's whole interactive novel thing and want more of the same even if it's not as good I'd recommend it, otherwise it's pretty missable. I agree No offense but I haven’t seen anything even sniff the briefs of DE in terms of writing or player engagement and pretty sure I won’t until ZA/UM graces us with more
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May 18, 2022 05:18
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Love seeing people like a year or two after this hotness drops just experiencing it for the first time, makes me wish I wasn’t so hip and with it that I got on this game asap so I could play it again for the first time
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May 18, 2022 05:20
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UP AND ADAM posted:Disco is just too good. Try nier automata if you want something as classy and cool and effortlessly brilliant Yeah Disco is a ridiculously high bar to pass to be fair. Even ZA/UM themselves might be hard pressed to rival it. I don't think Citizen Sleeper is a bad game, I wouldn't argue against anyone calling it a good one, but it's not a great one. I've had Nier wishlisted since forever, maybe I'll finally pull the trigger and check it out when I have some spare time. Thanks.
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May 18, 2022 05:29
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The Prose in Disco drives me loving insane, anytime I see *these* motherfuckers show up I'm mad. But, if you mean writing I think The Void, Pathologic/2, Talos Principal, and Friends of Ringo Ishikawa. That is if you consider "Writing to be the totality of the Prose, atmosphere, characterization, and systematic elements instead of just the text.
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May 18, 2022 05:29
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Gaius Marius posted:The Prose in Disco drives me loving insane, anytime I see *these* motherfuckers show up I'm mad. But, if you mean writing I think The Void, Pathologic/2, Talos Principal, and Friends of Ringo Ishikawa. That is if you consider "Writing to be the totality of the Prose, atmosphere, characterization, and systematic elements instead of just the text. Having played patho 1+2 and Talos I am struggling to see where the writing in either compares to DE
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May 18, 2022 05:33
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If Harry has previously used speed or pyrholidon, asking Acele if she "wants to party" will lead to Kim attempting to solicit drugs by pretending to be high.
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May 18, 2022 05:35
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SilkyP posted:Having played patho 1+2 and Talos I am struggling to see where the writing in either compares to DE I base my thoughts entirely on how many Cigarettes I smoked while considering the ending of the games. Talos, Paths, and Ringo were Three Cigarette games. Disco was a one and a half. If we go by that metric though Ringo clears house cause I could've sat out on my patio forever after that lad if I didn't have to work in the morning.
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May 18, 2022 05:47
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Gaius Marius posted:I base my thoughts entirely on how many Cigarettes I smoked while considering the ending of the games. Talos, Paths, and Ringo were Three Cigarette games. Disco was a one and a half. If we go by that metric though Ringo clears house cause I could've sat out on my patio forever after that lad if I didn't have to work in the morning. Sounds like I need to play Ringo!
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May 18, 2022 05:50
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Gaius Marius posted:The Prose in Disco drives me loving insane, anytime I see *these* motherfuckers show up I'm mad. But, if you mean writing I think The Void, Pathologic/2, Talos Principal, and Friends of Ringo Ishikawa. That is if you consider "Writing to be the totality of the Prose, atmosphere, characterization, and systematic elements instead of just the text. *these* are awesome
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May 18, 2022 06:04
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The worst thing you can possibly do is compare a game to DE because it serves only to disappoint. It taints the game with an impossible standard to live up to and disallows you to enjoy the thing in itself. This is true for most things (like comparing any action game to Dark Souls, etc)
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May 18, 2022 06:06
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I feel like the only games that really compare in terms of quality are also utterly unlike Disco in any other way.
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EorayMel posted:If Harry has previously used speed or pyrholidon, asking Acele if she "wants to party" will lead to Kim attempting to solicit drugs by pretending to be high. Oh my god.
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May 18, 2022 17:42
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we all know the *real* reason why there are so few games like DE https://twitter.com/bingus_enjoyer/status/1519732073396944897
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May 18, 2022 17:58
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Doc Hawkins posted:we all know the *real* reason why there are so few games like DE You can do both!!
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May 18, 2022 18:08
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even though it's variously much less sophisticated, Planescape: Torment feels like a relative to DE.
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May 18, 2022 18:25
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Empty Sandwich posted:even though it's variously much less sophisticated, Planescape: Torment feels like a relative to DE. My favorite video game essay guy makes this direct comparison in his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7ngJDbUQE He also makes the case that the game isn't as full-throated a condemnation of moralism as it seems in its sympathy for Kim's pragmatism
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May 18, 2022 18:37
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Empty Sandwich posted:even though it's variously much less sophisticated, Planescape: Torment feels like a relative to DE. that's legit, i especially would compare the scene where after the Nameless One finally remembers Deionarra, you can choose to have him break down sobbing at what that previous incarnation did to her, that's a bit melodramatic but, sure
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May 18, 2022 18:43
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Empty Sandwich posted:even though it's variously much less sophisticated, Planescape: Torment feels like a relative to DE. They're both dialogue-centric games with very different narratives and themes despite a very similar premise: You take the role of an amnesiac who must solve a murder buried under mounds of intrigue. Working from there, these two games come to almost opposite conclusions. In PT you're basically a god, the center of the universe and every action you take shakes the foundation of existence itself. In DE you're a drunk with as little control over the future as he has over the past.
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May 18, 2022 18:44
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Heath posted:My favorite video game essay guy makes this direct comparison in his video This guy is awesome. Definitely would recommend his videos.
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May 18, 2022 18:45
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Doc Hawkins posted:that's legit, i especially would compare the scene where after the Nameless One finally remembers Deionarra, you can choose to have him break down sobbing at what that previous incarnation did to her, that's a bit melodramatic but, sure I've made Tequila break down over less.
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May 18, 2022 18:46
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Heath posted:My favorite video game essay guy makes this direct comparison in his video I think the game makes a pretty big distinction between the 'broadly apolitical and accepting the status quo' moralism of Kim and Actually This Is Very Good And The Best Of All Possible Worlds political Moralism, embodied by Sunday Friend. It absolutely hates third way radical centre types who actually believe in what they're selling
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May 18, 2022 18:48
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Cpt_Obvious posted:They're both dialogue-centric games with very different narratives and themes despite a very similar premise: You take the role of an amnesiac who must solve a murder buried under mounds of intrigue. Working from there, these two games come to almost opposite conclusions. In PT you're basically a god, the center of the universe and every action you take shakes the foundation of existence itself. In DE you're a drunk with as little control over the future as he has over the past. you're right to contrast the power fantasy aspect, but the moment i mention above is a good example of a bunch of things that in Torment are sad, bad, and beyond your power to change (usually because they have already happened). i think this gives them a bit more thematic overlap than you'd expect.
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christmas boots posted:I've made Tequila break down over less. If you constantly fail at asserting yourself as a police officer, you run the risk of becoming the fabled Meltdown Cop.
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May 18, 2022 18:49
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christmas boots posted:I've made Tequila break down over less. Acele got to see many sides of our hero all in the span of about 3 minutes
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May 18, 2022 18:49
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The Acele conversation is one of my favorites in the game. You've got the hat thing, Contact Mike, a legitimately poignant and heartfelt speech (that you can completely undercut by bringing up Contact Mike again), it's got it all.
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EorayMel posted:If you constantly fail at asserting yourself as a police officer, you run the risk of becoming the fabled Meltdown Cop. Oh my god
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May 18, 2022 19:38
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Vegetable posted:There’s something ironic about the worst parts of a game being its gameplay. The story and writing is otherwise quite charming. But it only reminded me further of how carefully DE made its design choices. Imagine the tribunal being decided by a rhythm minigame!
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May 18, 2022 20:02
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EorayMel posted:If you constantly fail at asserting yourself as a police officer, you run the risk of becoming the fabled Meltdown Cop. Cops really are assholes.
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EorayMel posted:If Harry has previously used speed or pyrholidon, asking Acele if she "wants to party" will lead to Kim attempting to solicit drugs by pretending to be high. This game is the gift that keeps on giving
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May 18, 2022 21:19
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DE really does love all of its characters (except for the Racist Lorry Driver and Gary the Cryptofascist and maybe the Sunday Friend)
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May 18, 2022 21:27
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On my recent fascist thug cop playthrough I kicked snow in Acele's face and screamed at her to respect me and it loving sucked. The run is so hard to do because all the things you can say or do are so awful.
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May 18, 2022 21:41
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It's interesting because of all the fascist characters it feels like it's only Measurehead the game loves (and even then only a little bit)
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RubberLuffy posted:On my recent fascist thug cop playthrough I kicked snow in Acele's face and screamed at her to respect me and it loving sucked. But consider the following:  
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May 18, 2022 21:49
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Poor Kim doesn't get paid nearly enough to be your therapist
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christmas boots posted:It's interesting because of all the fascist characters it feels like it's only Measurehead the game loves (and even then only a little bit) Is measurehead a fascist? Sure, he believes in strict genetic hierarchies which places himself on the top, but what does that count for? Do his personal beliefs even matter? While he bitches and moans about the evil ham sandwiches, he serves the union as a guard against capital. Are politics the things one thinks, or the things one does? Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 18, 2022 |
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