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kirbysuperstar posted:Rebellion are such a weird company because a lot of their catalogue is kinda bad (I say this as a Neverdead enjoyer) but they do well enough that they can mostly self publish and do things like "buy out 2000AD". I gotta ask how and why on Neverdead because that is in my contention for worst game I played that generation
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Shadow Hog posted:I'm of the opinion that "Early FPS" refers to the very specific time period of the 1990s and very very early 2000s (late-PS2 gen debatably doesn't count), and isn't a rolling scale like "retro" is. This does get muddled a bit with retro FPS revivals sharing the ethos of that era like Dusk, and I'm also not above discussing FPSes outside the narrowed scope defined above like AvP2010, but IDK, 2010 is firmly in the CoD era of FPS design, and CoD doesn't really share the same ethos. (Multiplayer kinda does, aside for all those perks, kill streak bonuses, unlockables...) 1) Everything up until Quake 2) From Quake to Halo 3) From Halo to COD4 4) From COD4 to Doom4 5) From Doom4 until present
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Barudak posted:I gotta ask how and why on Neverdead because that is in my contention for worst game I played that generation Well, it wasn't for the gameplay
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Valve Steam Deck posted:The Five major categories of FPS: Half Life (1 and/or 2) deserves to be a listed name there.
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ToxicFrog posted:One of the things I really liked about AvP2 (don't remember if 1 did this) was that your motion tracker picked up all motion, and only motion. So as you're going through the start of the marine campaign it's picking up giant (but harmless) local insects and cables swaying in the breeze and doors opening as you approach and poo poo and this goes on juuuust long enough for you to get a bit desensitized to it before the aliens show up. I remember AvP1 having pretty sparse levels. I definitely don’t think they had “fake out” motion like the bugs or cables, but there may have been humans and/or androids in the marine campaign; I don’t remember.
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Are the Doom4 alikes? Is it something that has sparked a genre shift or is it just a good game in it's own right thats unique from the COD4 era.
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In Training posted:Are the Doom4 alikes? Is it something that has sparked a genre shift or is it just a good game in it's own right thats unique from the COD4 era. Shadow Warrior 3 I guess
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Barudak posted:AvP 2010 was such a 2010s FPS were all freedom was smoothed out, terrible canned animations in combat reigned supreme, and the game was like 6 hours the multi was literally just walking up to someone doing a really long takedown animation on someone else and patiently waiting for them to finish so you could do your own really long takedown on them lol
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In Training posted:Are the Doom4 alikes? Is it something that has sparked a genre shift or is it just a good game in it's own right thats unique from the COD4 era. the whole boomer shooter trend arguably but especially ultrakill, which has already spawned a pretty big wave of imitators that will come out over the next couple years
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Half Life (1 and/or 2) deserves to be a listed name there. In Training posted:Are the Doom4 alikes? Is it something that has sparked a genre shift or is it just a good game in it's own right thats unique from the COD4 era. Farm Frenzy posted:the whole boomer shooter trend arguably but especially ultrakill, which has already spawned a pretty big wave of imitators that will come out over the next couple years
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May 20, 2022 02:54
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Quake and Halo probably were bigger trendsetters, but it's fair to say HL1 and 2 were outliers and high water marks for their eras as well.
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Timesplitters 2 is a drat near perfect console fps as far as multiplayer is concerned. All the different characters, the massive amount of multiplayer modes and maps, the availability of bots, all the different guns, good stage music. Virus is probably some of the most fun I've had. Perfect Dark has insanely customizable bots and weapon variety.
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I really hope the rumors of Timesplitters ports are real. It would be cool to be able to play those online. I never got to play them online back in the day of the original Xbox.
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I dunno if I'd call Half-Life an outlier, it was a huge trendsetter in its own right as I understand it. If a game in category 3 wasn't trying to be Halo, it was trying to be Half-Life.Valve Steam Deck posted:The Five major categories of FPS: Honestly, I kinda regret even vaguely coming off as tone-policing, I just feel like "Early FPS" is more of a paradigm than "this was a set period of time ago and thus is a rolling target".
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SeANMcBAY posted:I really hope the rumors of Timesplitters ports are real. It would be cool to be able to play those online. I never got to play them online back in the day of the original Xbox. I think them FINALLY getting made backwards compatible on Xbox One/Series was a sign that ports maybe aren’t coming out 
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I think them FINALLY getting made backwards compatible on Xbox One/Series was a sign that ports maybe aren’t coming out Does the online work on those versions?
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you can play online using Xlink Kai and faking system link! But not through the original method, the OG Xbox Live system is offline https://www.teamxlink.co.uk/wiki/Supported_Games#Xbox_Series_X_-_Original_Xbox_backwards_compatibility
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Digging up my Gamecube after more than a decade only to realize I had sold my copy of Timesplitters 2 along with my copy of Wind Waker was a sad realization.
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Shadow Hog posted:I dunno if I'd call Half-Life an outlier, it was a huge trendsetter in its own right as I understand it. If a game in category 3 wasn't trying to be Halo, it was trying to be Half-Life. Right. If I had to slice up the genre it'd probably be into two big categories- Category 1 "Classic" FPSs: high speed, low drag, zero plot. Basically everything up to and including Quake and anything later that hews closely to that style of gameplay. Category 2 "Prestige" FPSs: more linear, scripted sequences, heavily story driven, lots of cinematics and such. Covers your Half Lifes, Halos, Bioshocks, Modern Warfares, Crysises, all of those things. Obviously a big liminal zone between the two and a bunch of things that don't really fit either, but in my mind that's the major division.
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Where do Cybermage, MakenX, and Breakdown fit into this? Does Dark Messiah count anywhere?
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Disproportionation posted:I don't really know why people dislike AVP2010, it's...fine? Like it's nothing special but I enjoyed it about as much as the first (pc) game, though 2 is much better than both. The multiplayer for 1 is a billion times better than 2010. They're not even in the same galaxy.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Shadow Warrior 3 I guess 
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Groovelord Neato posted:The multiplayer for 1 is a billion times better than 2010. They're not even in the same galaxy. Possibly! But to be honest I haven't played the MP for either, I generally don't care much for multiplayer and at this point I'd probably have difficulty finding players for either.
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Valve Steam Deck posted:The Five major categories of FPS: The two major categories of FPS: 1) includes picture of protagonist's face reacting to everything happening in the game 2) irredeemable garbage Blood falls into category 3
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Convex posted:The two major categories of FPS: We can break this down even more: 1) DOOM 2) Doom-clones
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Prophet of Nixon posted:Where do Cybermage, MakenX, and Breakdown fit into this? Does Dark Messiah count anywhere? Breakdown's more of a first-person brawler with shooter elements tacked on, like Condemned and, to a lesser extent, Riddick. Still pretty genre-defying though. A Breakdown remaster/remake would be awesome but I have such little faith in Bandai-Namco to make something like that happen.
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Its still mindblowing how First Person Shooters were once relegated to PC-only status like RTS games. Halo doesn't get nearly enough credit for busting that door wide open. (Arguably, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark did this too, though)
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Narcissus1916 posted:
Goldeneye and Perfect Dark strafed in 10 fps so Halo could drive its warthog in ~30 fps.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Its still mindblowing how First Person Shooters were once relegated to PC-only status like RTS games. Halo was the game everyone at school said was the best shooter ever because they never played quake 3 or UT99, I will always hate it because of that. Halo is like playing those other games in quicksand.
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It turns out a big part of the winning formula was to not use the N64 controller
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haveblue posted:It turns out a big part of the winning formula was to not use the N64 controller Yes, the winning formula was to use 2 N64 controllers.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Yes, the winning formula was to use 2 N64 controllers. I tried this recently and it felt so weird and bad.
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Halo is a very slow game, tf2 is also slow but not nearly that slow. Halo was also a super influential game with what felt like a very fresh setting, and simplified in a way that worked well on consoles by using regenerating health and reducing the number of weapons you could carry.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Halo is a very slow game, tf2 is also slow but not nearly that slow. Halo was also a super influential game with what felt like a very fresh setting, and simplified in a way that worked well on consoles by using regenerating health and reducing the number of weapons you could carry. And importantly designing the gameplay around those limitations. Halo was a pretty unique gameplay loop when it came out, and it was fun. Comparing halo to quake/UT is honestly a bit silly to me, they're different games that do different things. As such I like both for different reasons.
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I was mainly a PC gamer, but I loved doing the Halo campaigns in co-op mode with my friends. The worst part of Halo wasn't the Halo games themselves, but all the other FPS developers deciding to imitate its mechanics for the decade after its release.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Halo is a very slow game, tf2 is also slow but not nearly that slow. Halo was also a super influential game with what felt like a very fresh setting, and simplified in a way that worked well on consoles by using regenerating health and reducing the number of weapons you could carry. TF2 is only slow if you're not playing as a Scout or Medic and/or haven't figured out Explosive Jumping as a Soldier or Demo-Man, and even with the other classes it's really only Heavy whose lack of speed really stands out
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Jehde posted:And importantly designing the gameplay around those limitations. Halo was a pretty unique gameplay loop when it came out, and it was fun. Comparing halo to quake/UT is honestly a bit silly to me, they're different games that do different things. As such I like both for different reasons. All 3 are multiplayer FPS games.
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crondaily posted:All 3 are multiplayer FPS games. Ricochet is obviously the best quake/UT/halo. Why play any of the others when you can just play Ricochet?
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