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CmdrRiker posted:Wow, who cares. The real takeaway here isn't who did what first, but rather that the Democratic party is severely underestimating the power of grassroots communities tricking people to feel like the can benefit from voting against their best long-term interests. Ita oranges to apples, people motivated enough to do that for dems are probably progressive and want real legislative goals that are in opposition to party doctrine. Those Republican grassroots meetings are probably just playing American History X and saying Edward Nortons character is a good guy.
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Grouchio posted:Why is nobody talking about the Leaked Tapes Revealing the Republican Plan to Stock Polling Places With Activists in an attempt to overturn elections?? Because this is a normal as hell thing that everyone does in every election up to and including putting people in touch with party lawyers.
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^^^ Yeah, I mean the secy. of state project has been a thing for a couple decades now.Jaxyon posted:I mean it literally says they based it on what Bernie did, and are now doing it for their own ends. That's what co-opting is. I said that Dems never did those things, so it couldn't be "co-opted" from Dems. Whether it was co-opted from Bernie is irrelevant to whether it was "co-opted" from do-nothing Democrats. CmdrRiker posted:Wow, who cares. The real takeaway here isn't who did what first, but rather that the Democratic party is severely underestimating the power of grassroots communities tricking people to feel like the can benefit from voting against their best long-term interests. As some of us have pointed out, no one profit$ from community organizing as happens with ad buys & consultancy contracts. And I'm not sure it's "tricking people... to vote against their interests" any more than the hyperbolic texts the Dems send out during campaigns. SEND US $5 TODAY, BECAUSE IF WE GET TWO MORE SENATORS FROM GEORGIA WE'LL GET A LIVING WAGE, MEDICARE AT AGE 60, AND STUDENT-LOAN FORGIVENESS! CAN WE COUNT ON YOU, WILLA? Two local college kids on break started a monthly food drop-off/pick-up event during the pandemic that was a rousing success in my liberal city. I can't help wondering why local Dem clubs aren't doing the same these days in their communities. Terminal autist posted:Ita oranges to apples, people motivated enough to do that for dems are probably progressive and want real legislative goals that are in opposition to party doctrine. Those Republican grassroots meetings are probably just playing American History X and saying Edward Nortons character is a good guy.  Did you even read the story? Because it sounds like you're writing fiction in your head instead.
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Willa Rogers posted:I said that Dems never did those things, so it couldn't be "co-opted" from Dems. Oh I get it you are trying to make a semantic argument that "Dems are bad" as if I disagreed with you on it. Rock on. Dems are bad.
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Jaxyon posted:Oh I get it you are trying to make a semantic argument that "Dems are bad" as if I disagreed with you on it. No; I was pointing out that you can't "co-opt" something that's never been "opted" in the first place.
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Willa Rogers posted:No; I was pointing out that you can't "co-opt" something that's never been "opted" in the first place. Cool
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CmdrRiker posted:Wow, who cares. The real takeaway here isn't who did what first, but rather that the Democratic party is severely underestimating the power of grassroots communities tricking people to feel like the can benefit from voting against their best long-term interests. While that's an important takeaway, I think there's another equally important takeaway: this is stuff that used to be done by leftist activists on the ground, and now it's not. "Community centers where anyone could go to get free food, and by the way, while you and your kids are here enjoying your meal, have you heard about our ideology" was one of the Black Panthers' most effective projects. The fact that it's been inherited not by the modern left, but rather by the Republican National Committee, is a tough pill to swallow. Of course, the Black Panthers didn't sit around begging the Democrats to do it for them, nor did they insist that political power was a necessity before they could do it. They did it themselves, with their own resources, their own funding, and their own volunteers. There's another important takeaway, too: the GOP isn't writing off any voters. They're actively engaging in political outreach to minority communities, even in blue districts. They're not treating black and Hispanic neighborhoods as permanently-unwinnable hotbeds of Democratic power - they're putting serious boots on the ground to try wooing those neighborhoods to conservatism. Even as they pursue voter suppression at the state and national levels, they're still putting in effort to win over blue-leaning minority neighborhoods at the local level.
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DarkCrawler posted:Elections are not won solely on money. As some other person said, Bloomberg is not president. Elections can be won through various other tactics and have been won, even in United States. In addition, the progressives have money too (just look at their fundraising), they just spend it on ads and not more effective means. Wealthy progressives exist. Bloomberg was a well known sex pest and entered the running late. Holding him up as a perfect example of why money doesn't buy elections is utter nonsense. But okay, thanks for clarifying that your plan is Vote Harder explained at length. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Bishyaler fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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World Famous W posted:I've been saying feed your neighbors and start a food bank for a minute. I just ain't recruiting for any political party and have focused on trying to get the community to help one another instead Yeah, there are lots of left groups doing this on the ground. It's the larger infrastructure that used to support them, connect them, and then pull them into political parties that's disappeared. The food banks and community outreach have not. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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World Famous W posted:I've been saying feed your neighbors and start a food bank for a minute. I just ain't recruiting for any political party and have focused on trying to get the community to help one another instead Well not a very effective political change movement, then.
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Vahakyla posted:Well not a very effective political change movement, then. The parties should be identifying the groups that currently do this work and providing them support and assistance, not the other way around.
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Zore posted:Because this is a normal as hell thing that everyone does in every election up to and including putting people in touch with party lawyers. also the solution is to be a poll worker yourself and hope you take the job away from a chud. but being out there means you cant be key board warrior soooo
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World Famous W posted:I've been saying feed your neighbors and start a food bank for a minute. I just ain't recruiting for any political party and have focused on trying to get the community to help one another instead Yeah, and the DSA's brake-light clinics are another way that community needs are being met through grassroots action. I only mentioned "What if Dems did obviously good things for voters?" because it seems like a no-brainer compared to their current counterproductive methods of badgering for money via spam texts & emails, and because a lot of people in this forum consider electing Dems to be their no. 1 goal. Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, there are lots of left groups doing this on the ground. It's the largest infrastructure that used to support them, connect them, and then pull them into political parties that's disappeared. The food banks and community outreach have not. Agreed!
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Bellmaker posted:Wow really getting off to a good start to Pride Month here: astrology is very popular with the zoomers. FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Yeah, and the DSA's brake-light clinics are another way that community needs are being met through grassroots action. And that swings us back to the fact that we don't really have a functioning left party in America. In other countries left parties would embrace a group like food not bombs and use them as a recruiting ground. In America they're treated as terrorists.
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Vahakyla posted:Well not a very effective political change movement, then.
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I think that the leftist organizations don’t do any of the grassroots community stuff like what the Black Panthers used to do is because of what happened to the Black Panthers when they did the grassroots community stuff.
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A more recent example of Democrats doing the community organizing thing right (initially) was Obama's absolutely monster ground game.New Republic posted:Obama’s Lost Army
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theCalamity posted:I think that the leftist organizations don’t do any of the grassroots community stuff like what the Black Panthers used to do is because of what happened to the Black Panthers when they did the grassroots community stuff. Always a good reminder that the FBI was inside of occupy wall street before any protests started. To swing it back to current events the story about Republicans building an "army" of poll watchers does tie into how the American left is weaker because there's no relationship with activists cultivated by the Democrats. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/01/republicans-plan-overturn-election-results-report Having poll watchers is a smart tactic by Republicans to swing elections in their favor. A good way to combat it is obviously getting other people in and keeping Republicans out from being poll watchers. But American politics heavily correlates on where you live so red states will have few people who are not Republicans available to volunteer. It's a perfect example where the Democrats would benefit from having people on the ground to connect with the local loyal activists they do have in those places. And maybe they do, I live in the northeast so I don't know what the ground game looks like in red states very well. But it doesn't seem like that's happening.
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Main Paineframe posted:https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1531989820246876160 hey, I'm from this area and know the Lumbee well. they are extremely ripe for this kind of engagement from the RNC for a lot of reasons that are extremely specific to their circumstances and history. the Democrats could have easily engaged them this way as well, but for years all politicians have done is just swung by Lumberton and Pembroke and told them they'd support a bill for federal recognition. grieving for Gandalf fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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-Blackadder- posted:A more recent example of Democrats doing the community organizing thing right (initially) was Obama's absolutely monster ground game. Did Obama for America/Organizing for America sponsor community-outreach events to help communities, or was it mainly organizing on behalf of electing Obama? I know they tried to get people to call members of Congress in support of the ACA after Obama was elected, but I don't recall any community organizing along the lines of providing goods & services to people. When Dean was running in '03 there was an arm of the campaign called Dean Corps that did volunteer activism with groups like Habitat for Humanity & Save the Ocean, but I was disengaged from electoral politics by the time 2008 rolled around.
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Bellmaker posted:Wow really getting off to a good start to Pride Month here: Jesus Christ. George or Barbara Bush were right there if you just had to put a Republican on a stamp for whatever loving reason. At least the Bush family did something positive about the AIDS epidemic and didn't label it as the gay plague.
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1532135094013644800?cxt=HHwWgMC-qYOwnsMqAAAA Police were evacuating the building and evacuating victims Wednesday evening, Richard Meulenberg, with police, said Wednesday. "We have multiple floors... with hundreds of rooms and hundreds of people within the building," he said. ---- What the hell is wrong with this country?
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Grouchio posted:Why is nobody talking about the Leaked Tapes Revealing the Republican Plan to Stock Polling Places With Activists in an attempt to overturn elections?? They've been doing this, I ran into some in 2020. They're not very good at it, is all.
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I think the big difference is that the GOP seems to be building these grassroots networks now, whereas the Dems inherited two of the biggest of the modern era and then immediately shuttered them upon winning. I wish I could believe it was as simple as indifference. It's not co-opting anything though, this strategy is as old as elected office. At this point it's just either something you do or don't do, not some innovation, and it's frankly troubling that it lands like a unique and noteworthy thing to hear about a party doing. Oracle posted:They've been doing this, I ran into some in 2020. They're not very good at it, is all. Yeah, the big problem and one that seems to be priced in though is that so long as you're pushing for evil horrible things, you get infinite do-overs until you win by chance or malice and then it's locked in and unassailable
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Charliegrs posted:The article says the police are treating the shooting as a "catastrophic situation". So yeah here we freaking go again. Shootings unfolding simultaneously right now: At a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma; a Walmart in Pittson, Pennsylvania; and a high school in Los Angeles, California.
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Bellmaker posted:Wow really getting off to a good start to Pride Month here: extremely cool to know that jill biden also loving hates queer people
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Bishyaler posted:Shootings unfolding simultaneously right now: At a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma; a Walmart in Pittson, Pennsylvania; and a high school in Los Angeles, California. it's times like these that i'm extremely thankful we elected a man who promised that nothing will fundamentally change
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Bishyaler posted:Shootings unfolding simultaneously right now: At a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma; a Walmart in Pittson, Pennsylvania; and a high school in Los Angeles, California. Is it hosed that my brain automatically started ranking these in how disastrous they are? Like my first thought in the LA high school shooting was "oh, only one person got injured, that's not so bad."
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Epic High Five posted:I think the big difference is that the GOP seems to be building these grassroots networks now, whereas the Dems inherited two of the biggest of the modern era and then immediately shuttered them upon winning. I wish I could believe it was as simple as indifference. Yep. The Democrats don't just don't want to do it, they actively don't want it to happen. Grassroots activism cultivates people who want and expect things to change, and those want those kids to shut the gently caress up.
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Zotix posted:What the hell is wrong with this country? Guns (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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haveblue posted:Guns Yeah, probably not the unpayable debts, skyrocketing costs, unaffordable housing, nonexistent healthcare, predatory corporations, white supremacy, rampant fascism, or a government that refuses to fix any of it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Bishyaler fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Bishyaler posted:Yeah, probably not the unpayable debts, skyrocketing costs, unaffordable housing, nonexistent healthcare, predatory corporations, white supremacy, rampant fascism, or a government that refuses to fix any of it. Yeah it's probably all that stuff and more... But the guns certain aren't helping things, at this point.
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