Fister Roboto posted:

Doubting the cops' story (which has changed multiple times over the past few days) isn't a conspiracy theory, jesus christ.

The Bananana posted:

Yeah it's probably all that stuff and more...
But the guns certain aren't helping things, at this point.

Bishyaler posted:

Yeah, probably not the unplayable debts, skyrocketing costs, unaffordable housing, nonexistent healthcare, predatory corporations, white supremacy, rampant fascism, or a government that refuses to fix any of it.

Yinlock posted:

Didn't they get the ball rolling on this themselves by suddenly saying "we didn't shoot any kids" entirely unprompted?

Tiny Timbs posted:

They said they believed they didn’t shoot any kids. Gotta leave some wiggle room there.

Yinlock posted:

Didn't they get the ball rolling on this themselves by suddenly saying "we didn't shoot any kids" entirely unprompted?

Bishyaler posted:

Bloomberg was a well known sex pest and entered the running late. Holding him up as a perfect example of why money doesn't buy elections is utter nonsense.

But okay, thanks for clarifying that your plan is Vote Harder explained at length.

Bishyaler posted:

No, they aren't helping.

People are lashing out, and the gun makes them more effective.

Xombie posted:

Rock music Video games Mental health Rent too high

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

there's a lot of countries with more guns than us per capita and nothing like our number of mass shootings

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Which ones?

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

there's a lot of countries with more guns than us per capita and nothing like our number of mass shootings

of course, those countries have some kind of social safety net to catch you before you hit 'do a super cool murder-suicide rampage as your last act,' and the american government approach to such things is that they cause inflation somehow.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

there's a lot of countries with more guns than us per capita and nothing like our number of mass shootings

of course, those countries have some kind of social safety net to catch you before you hit 'do a super cool murder-suicide rampage as your last act,' and the american government approach to such things is that they cause inflation somehow.

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Nowhere else is even close to having more guns than people.

Finland is only a few percentage points behind us on percent of households with one or more firearms, with Bosnia and Herzegovina a few more points beyond that. 42, 37.9, and 34% percent, respectively.

Xombie posted:

Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Guns $3,600
Utility $150

Someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. I can't pay my rent.

Vahakyla posted:

There isn't. US has highest number of guns per capita in civilian ownership.
What he refers to, possibly, is the number of gun owners without counting the amount of guns. Finland, Switzerland, Italy, lot of eastern european countries have a high number of gun owners, but there's relatively few guns because usually a hunter owns a bolt action rifle and a shotgun, and a sports shooter has one Ar-15 and one pistol. Literally no body has those insane troves that you see in US gun owners.



https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country

Vahakyla posted:

Ding ding ding it's this. Lot of countries are very close to the US with households with a gun stat, but nowhere near with the amount of gun.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

yep, that was it, brain fart. Higher gun ownership rates.

'Gun culture' is absolutely part of the problem, but the idea that if the Vegas shooter had only a dozen guns as opposed to what, fifty? he'd have been less of a problem is just as transparent a misdirection as someone going off about violent video games.

Professor Beetus posted:

There aren't any with higher gun ownership rates either, so even here your initial assertion is false and it's really on you to show that gun ownership isn't the problem in the country with the most mass shootings, the most guns, and the highest rate of gun ownership.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

you'd expect the Swiss or the Finns to have -anything- like our mass shooting problems if easy access to guns was the key problem here.

they do not.

there is something we have that they don't, or something they have that we don't.

i've always been skeptical of the cultural explanations; american cultural exports are ubiquitous, anything wrong with us that was purely culture based should pop up everywhere else in short order.

but we've got the shittiest social safety net in the developed world, and we also have a running trend of people who feel like their lives are over deciding to go out in a blaze of murderous glory.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Michael Avenatti finally gets a four-year term

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1532387004800983040

FlamingLiberal posted:

This is where I repost that awful cartoon someone made a few years ago of Mueller and Avenatti flying as superheroes

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

you'd expect the Swiss or the Finns to have -anything- like our mass shooting problems if easy access to guns was the key problem here.

they do not.

there is something we have that they don't, or something they have that we don't.

i've always been skeptical of the cultural explanations; american cultural exports are ubiquitous, anything wrong with us that was purely culture based should pop up everywhere else in short order.

but we've got the shittiest social safety net in the developed world, and we also have a running trend of people who feel like their lives are over deciding to go out in a blaze of murderous glory.

Discendo Vox posted:

Discendo Vox posted:

Gumball Gumption posted:

I think you're right in that with no guns and no safety net we would see something more like the UK where the violence is still rampant but the weapons available cut down on how much violence can be committed. I'd still rather be dodging knives from kids who think they have no reason to live over dodging bullets from them.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Lol that one of them has Lex Luthor colours.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

yeah, no argument on that front. but as long as we're wishcasting about ways to solve the problem that nobody in power is going to try, we can afford to admit that even Thanos snapping all the guns in the country away doesn't solve the problem, just bring its lethality down.

in a hypothetical world where implementing a social safety net was on the table, Switzerland and company suggest that would handle the problem at the low low cost of gun owners continuing to regularly kill themselves and their family members.

but we all know that's the only thing less on the table than gun control legislation, soooo

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

you'd expect the Swiss or the Finns to have -anything- like our mass shooting problems if easy access to guns was the key problem here.

they do not.

there is something we have that they don't, or something they have that we don't.

i've always been skeptical of the cultural explanations; american cultural exports are ubiquitous, anything wrong with us that was purely culture based should pop up everywhere else in short order.

but we've got the shittiest social safety net in the developed world, and we also have a running trend of people who feel like their lives are over deciding to go out in a blaze of murderous glory.

Main Paineframe posted:

https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1531989820246876160
https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1531994236614152192

A really good deep dive into how the GOP ground game, taking a page from the book of community organizers and activists decades ago, has become strongly effective and very highly targeted at minority populations.

The most interesting part, illustrative of how they really Get It, is how NOT online it is - to the fact where you practically can't even find these community centers online at all. They're relying entirely on word-of-mouth and free activities to draw people in to be propagandized to.

It's too long to quote, but I'll post some excerpts.









Of course, there's plenty of mention of the Democratic Party not taking it seriously, which isn't really surprising. But what strikes me most is how this kind of on-the-ground community organizing, providing services and social events for neighbors of all kinds at a local level, used to be one of the most effective leftist moves, and now it's been entirely co-opted by the far right - who seem to know just how important this effort is, given how much trouble they're undertaking to keep national attention away from these efforts to flip individual districts and communities. In a world where politics is more and more becoming national, the GOP are targeting the local level, doing the kind of community outreach that may take years to spread but is ultimately fundamental to driving political change.

TipTow posted:

Is cincy zoo sniper IK'ing this thread now?

TipTow posted:

Is cincy zoo sniper IK'ing this thread now?