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Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Chicago hired Luke Richardson as coach

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Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Dave Tallon: senior adviser and scout for the Canucks.


YES

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Bieska is good in that he's a bit more interesting and personable than most hockey talking heads with their thrilling insight "I spoke to commissioner Bettman and he indicated the league is concerned with the slate of missed icing calls lately." He just talks like he's used to being the vocal guy in a locker room and is clearly less funny than he thinks he is. He's far more interesting than say Kelly Hrudey sweating all over the place or Ron Mclean solemnly reciting Bruce Springsteen lyrics like that makes them profound somehow.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

Dave Tallon: senior adviser and scout for the Canucks.


YES

What the gently caress is

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Chicago hired Luke Richardson as coach

Luke Richardson career highlights

https://youtu.be/Hodb0LUALjI

Misanthrope
Jun 10, 2001

QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

Dave Tallon: senior adviser and scout for the Canucks.


YES

It's impossible to fail in this league as an executive.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1540405856696664064?t=inGic9Cf4iLXikCLTpUUiw&s=19


"it was very hard for me to choose not to live in Winnipeg and wait for someone else to pay me the same in six months."

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1540386813717712897

cursed franchise. shut it down

Mike Works
Feb 26, 2003

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

Dave Tallon: senior adviser and scout for the Canucks.


YES
WHY CAN’T THE CANUCKS HAVE NICE THINGS, WE HAVEN’T WON ANYTHING TO DESERVE THIS

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

That sounds real not good

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010


It is a bit funny that a surgery that forced a franchise to ruin their relationship with their star player is now commonplace though

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

ThinkTank posted:

Sure the CBA has rules around temporary housing for recently recalled and traded players. It's not endless and expenses are a real challenge for guys who aren't full time NHLers. They don't go broke because of rent costs, but paying for an expensive place because they're millionaires (kinda) is a significant contributor when their careers end, often abruptly. The 'issue' (if you even want to call it that) is that the owner rents places out to players way under market value to a lot of his regular players. For a major city like Vancouver that can be $50k+ in unaccounted for benefit on the SPC. The CBA is very clear that teams cannot provide anything of value as enticements to players beyond salaried compensation and bonuses.

It's a not insignificant bonus. I'm sure other teams do it but the Canucks take it to an excess. It's much the same reason you can't sign a guy for $1M under the cap then buy him a $5M house. It's all compensation and must be subject to HRR and the CBA. It's not a major issue at all, but it is one of those little cap cheating tricks teams do. It's also infuriating that guys making $6M a year are paying a fraction of market rate rent.

Section 13.12 (b) covers teams providing temporary accommodation to recalls being required to pay them a per diem as well, not regular rented accommodation owned by the owner to players.

Sidney Crosby lived with his team's owner and captain, Aaron Ekblad lived with Panthers captain Willie Mitchell, and many young stars from overseas had a veteran/mentor who took them in. Alexis Lafreniere and K'Andre Miller lived with friends of Chris Drury in the offseason so they could train with Ben Prentiss, a trainer whose services cost $2500 per week. The Rangers fly in top-of-the-line private jets and have great catering and facilities while the Oilers might pick up the tab at Joey and the Coyotes locker room problems are existential.

There's tax and cost of living differences between cities. Sponsors pay players more in bigger markets. There's non-salary differences and the only reason the Canucks apartments are publicized is probably for prestige and publicity for the apartments. I mean, gently caress, if they were that nice, Mark Messier would've lived there instead of Point Roberts.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Zodijackylite posted:

I mean, gently caress, if they were that nice, Mark Messier would've lived there instead of Point Roberts.

Yup all true. However with regards to Point Roberts, no one lives there because it's nice. Players live there because there are significant tax advantages to living and being paid in the USA.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

ThinkTank posted:

Yup all true. However with regards to Point Roberts, no one lives there because it's nice. Players live there because there are significant tax advantages to living and being paid in the USA.

Also, we tend to forget that it exists as part of Washington state. Mostly because it really shouldn’t, so I guess they count for something.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Eric the Mauve posted:

Bednar does appear to be the very first coach of Jack Johnson that understands that he sucks.

Torts was healthy scratching him by the end. I seem to remember him sitting out after Ian Cole came to town and in Playoff games in 2018.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

What confuses me about Point Roberts is it has five gas stations. It's not even 5 square miles of land.

I think it has just one grocery store too, ain't no way to avoid your neighbors out there.

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe

Zodijackylite posted:

Sidney Crosby lived with his team's owner and captain, Aaron Ekblad lived with Panthers captain Willie Mitchell, and many young stars from overseas had a veteran/mentor who took them in. Alexis Lafreniere and K'Andre Miller lived with friends of Chris Drury in the offseason so they could train with Ben Prentiss, a trainer whose services cost $2500 per week. The Rangers fly in top-of-the-line private jets and have great catering and facilities while the Oilers might pick up the tab at Joey and the Coyotes locker room problems are existential.

There's tax and cost of living differences between cities. Sponsors pay players more in bigger markets. There's non-salary differences and the only reason the Canucks apartments are publicized is probably for prestige and publicity for the apartments. I mean, gently caress, if they were that nice, Mark Messier would've lived there instead of Point Roberts.

funniest thing like this for me was when Torts got to the Rangers, the Rangers apparently were sending individual limos out for like every team activity since a lot of them lived in midtown and the practice rink is in Westchester. Torts immediately said "what the gently caress" and made all the players start driving themselves.

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

ThinkTank posted:

Yup all true. However with regards to Point Roberts, no one lives there because it's nice. Players live there because there are significant tax advantages to living and being paid in the USA.

I just wanted to mention Mark Messier.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

xzzy posted:

What confuses me about Point Roberts is it has five gas stations. It's not even 5 square miles of land.

I think it has just one grocery store too, ain't no way to avoid your neighbors out there.

90% of the traffic in Point Roberts is Vancouverites going down there to get cheaper gas

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

Twin Cinema posted:

I now have a hazy memory of this happening, so I searched for news articles, and it looks like the Canes traded Johnson away because he wasn't willing to leave college for the NHL (he would join the NHL late in the season for 5 games, then become a regular in 07-08), and I assume there was some animosity between the two.
Jack Johnson finally finished his college degree (BA in general studies from University of Michigan) this past week, the day before game 2

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Call Your Grandma posted:

he also bullies Elliotte Friedman

That shtick got old real quick. He was refreshing for the first months, but he really isn't offering much.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

I'm very excited for Dave Tallon to take over for Rutherford in a year or two.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

funniest thing like this for me was when Torts got to the Rangers, the Rangers apparently were sending individual limos out for like every team activity since a lot of them lived in midtown and the practice rink is in Westchester. Torts immediately said "what the gently caress" and made all the players start driving themselves.

Torts was right on this one.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

funniest thing like this for me was when Torts got to the Rangers, the Rangers apparently were sending individual limos out for like every team activity since a lot of them lived in midtown and the practice rink is in Westchester. Torts immediately said "what the gently caress" and made all the players start driving themselves.

The same Torts that insisted on living in Pt Roberts and would skip morning practice because of the commute to Vancouver.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

AsInHowe posted:

Torts was right on this one.

That’s right, they should have sent one car to pick up a bunch of guys.

I get that the city is full, but if you’re going to put the facility that far away I don’t have any issue with the team providing transportation of some sort for the people that live next to the actual rink. We don’t need extra cars driving around in a city where you shouldn’t need to buy a car.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Jhet posted:

That’s right, they should have sent one car to pick up a bunch of guys.

I get that the city is full, but if you’re going to put the facility that far away I don’t have any issue with the team providing transportation of some sort for the people that live next to the actual rink. We don’t need extra cars driving around in a city where you shouldn’t need to buy a car.

Bring everyone together, team bonding

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Limos are cheap. Showing up in a limo just means wow cool you had $60.

fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



soggybagel posted:

There's something very funny about this very moment in time the NHL being like NOW WE DO NFT's. They missed the easy goldrush that was happening when things like NBA Top Shot were popping off.

I hate to be that guy but it's important to clarify that the zillion varieties of NFTs were never making people money or actually worth anything. The hype was entirely from barely concealed wash trading that every media outlet credulously reported as real people spending six figures on a link to a jpeg.

The NHLPA is eons late to a party that didn't even happen.

mennoknight
Nov 24, 2003

I WILL JUST EAT ONE MORE SANDWICH
OH MY HEAD EXPLORDED I'M JAY FATSTER
is it over yet

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
It ends Tuesday

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

AsInHowe posted:

Torts was right on this one.

This wouldn't have been a problem if all the players lived in Greenwich where they have garages.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIAzt4HBCcw

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006
The official account of NFL Tackle Phil Loadholt.

Let's talk Football.

fisting by many posted:

I hate to be that guy but it's important to clarify that the zillion varieties of NFTs were never making people money or actually worth anything. The hype was entirely from barely concealed wash trading that every media outlet credulously reported as real people spending six figures on a link to a jpeg.

The NHLPA is eons late to a party that didn't even happen.

No poo poo. Which makes it funnier that the NHL is now getting on with it at this very moment. When even the perception now is the markets are eating poo poo.

Kale
May 14, 2010

Game 5 3rd period was good up until the refs kind of closed off any chance of an Avalanche tie goal. You could see how frustrated Makar was with the double offside too.

fawning deference
Jul 4, 2018

The NHL jumping on NFTs is a huge surprise considering the not-20-years-too-late musicians they have to play at their events

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN
In fairness Green Day was a solid get

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



You'll never guess what the impetus was behind the NFT deal, via The Athletic:

NHL revenues reach record high thanks to jump in sponsorship, licensing deals posted:

Financially speaking, the NHL is much closer to putting the downturn of the COVID-19 pandemic behind it.

The league is projected to bring in record revenues from the 2021-22 season, likely around $5.3 billion, if not higher, according to NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman when hockey-related revenue (HRR) is officially tabulated.

Fans returning without COVID-19 limitations certainly helped, but another key factor for the NHL when it came to a record amount of revenue came from sponsorships and the residual effects of the new national television deal in the United States.

NHL sponsorship revenue jumped to $1.4 billion this season, a record for the league, and a massive increase from the $623 million sponsorship revenue during the 2021-22 season. That number includes individual team and league-wide sponsorship and licensing deals, which get combined when it comes to accounting for HRR.

According to Keith Wachtel, the NHL’s Chief Business Officer and EVP Global Partnerships, the new television deal in the United States was a driving factor. Viewership numbers for the sport increased on traditional and digital platforms, and partnership with ESPN and Turner made the league a more attractive and viable partner for many sponsors, particularly in the financial sector.

“Turner and ESPN have attracted new viewership,” Wachtel said. “For example, we have increased something along the lines of 66 percent in female viewership. So it’s not just the avid fan that has come back for those that missed it on ESPN. But it’s casual fans that are tuning in more and more to the NHL. The result of that is all of the league’s value grows and partnerships are more valuable.”

Adding a team in Seattle also helped sell sponsorships locally and it gave the NHL another base in a top 10 media market.

Exact numbers weren’t disclosed, but according to SponsorUnited, financial institutions contributed more than $150 million in spending on sponsorship with the league and individual NHL teams.

Beer brands were the second-largest spender with the NHL and more than doubled spending from the 2020-21 season. Healthcare companies spent the third most amount, while sports betting companies and casinos are now among the NHL’s biggest financial contributors.

Sports gambling is a fact of life in the NHL now and it’s a financial foundation that many teams will rely on going forward as it’s gradually moving toward being universally legal in NHL markets. This was an expected outcome for the league, while the additional spending in other more traditional sectors, like beer, can be directly linked to the valuation created by Turner and ESPN.


According to Wachtel, and seconded by multiple team sources, valuation for all sponsorship assets rose after the ESPN and Turner deals were signed. In-ice advertising, for example, became more valuable and desirable for sponsors when the number of potential viewers increased.

The streaming part of the television deal with ESPN+ also created buzz for the NHL’s business. While the streaming numbers for out-of-market games and ESPN+/Hulu exclusives aren’t made public because of Disney policy, ESPN+ subscriptions have gone up because of the NHL deal according to ESPN chairman Jimmy Pitaro which has only helped the NHL’s return-on-investment push to sponsors. It also helps the common claim from the NHL that it has one of the most tech-savvy fan bases in North American sports.

For the NHL, the belief is that this is the baseline, and will only serve as a launching pad for additional revenue in the coming seasons.

The league recently signed a non-fungible token (NFT) deal with Sweet that will go into effect next season and is already one of the largest licensing deals in league history according to Dave Lehanski, the NHL’s executive vice president of business development and innovation. The league recently re-upped its deal with PepsiCo., and is expected to announce a large sports drink partnership sometime within the next couple of weeks.

Next season will also be the first for jersey sponsorship, with teams allowed to sell patches on either the chest or shoulder of the jersey. Some teams have already sold their patch. The Washington Capitals, who sold it to Caesars Sports Book, were the first, and the influx of revenue from the helmet ad program has NHL executives excited about what the jersey patch program will do for the bottom line.


The league is also instituting league-wide electronic dasher boards for the 2022-23 season. The exact parameters of how it’ll look are still under wraps, but it’s an element that team and league officials have said is driving serious conversation — and value — with sponsors.

“We are creating an opportunity that will be extremely valuable from a branding standpoint,” Wachtel said. “Not necessarily from just a revenue standpoint, but for the entire ecosystem of the sport.”

The additional revenue is encouraging for the players, who, in theory, are now closer to getting a proper market rate on salaries. The NHL salary cap isn’t flat, but it can only go up marginally — $1 million per season — until the player debt is paid back to the owners through escrow. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, players and owners split revenues 50-50. When 50 percent of revenues won’t cover player salaries, as has been the case in the prior two seasons, the difference becomes player debt. The debt is paid back by taking a set percentage of player salaries and putting it in escrow.

That debt was close to $1 billion before this season, and escrow was set 17.2 percent. It is set at 10 percent for the 2022-23 season and six percent for the following three seasons.

Representatives from the NHL and the NHLPA believe the debt will be paid off during that time, hopefully avoiding an automatic extension of the current CBA with a higher escrow rate in 2026 but the trends of revenue growth are a reason for optimism for the league and its players.

I love to place bets on the NHL directly from my bank account while drinking a brewski! The NFTs are clearly just burning stupid VC money so whatever.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
You're telling me that signing with ESPN raised all money across the board?

You're telling me that Gary was wrong to keep us all away from ESPN, which we all said, forever?

Hmm.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Zodijackylite posted:

There's tax and cost of living differences between cities. Sponsors pay players more in bigger markets. There's non-salary differences and the only reason the Canucks apartments are publicized is probably for prestige and publicity for the apartments. I mean, gently caress, if they were that nice, Mark Messier would've lived there instead of Point Roberts.

they're some of the worst buildings in the city to live in. no one i know who has lived in them has anything nice to say about them. i don't think many of the players even live there. most of them are on the north shore or in olympic village

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pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


I think the biggest problem with players finding housing isn't the money, but the uncertainty. Especially for mid-season and deadline acquisitions. Like a late season rental has no issues affording a place but if they might just be in the city for like 3 months, finding a super short term lease might be an issue. Or even if they think they might re-sign and set up long term they might want to wait til the offseason when it's official and they can get their families up too.

In that case team connected housing is useful not for the cost, but because it is available and presumably they don't have to worry about leases, furnishing and all the other crap that comes with finding a place. Maybe there's a single dude on or two on the team that doesn't care and will want to save a couple bucks, but most guys will probably want their own place.

Especially in places like Vancouver or Toronto, where anywhere connected to the team will insta-dox them to crazies.

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