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Good Soldier Svejk posted:You'd be justified and a good mod for doing so yeah that's what makes the situation less black and white for me and why I'm not fully on team "keep cumshitter permabanned forever" (I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other on his merits as a poster because I never interacted with him as a poster or as a mod). His response was wrong and unacceptable, but it was a response to a bad situation that was in part due to our slow response as a mod team. As I said at the top of that post, we had been hitting Alec with much harsher punishments and were actively talking about a permaban, but cumshitter jumped the gun in a way that can't be acceptable here. I say all this not necessarily to make a case for cumshitter to stay banned, but to explain why he was permabanned in the first place, to provide context for people who only heard about this second or thirdhand, and to give you the rationale for why the admin team will probably not agree to free him. While some CSPAM posters have fond memories of cumshitter and we as a CSPAM mod team can make the case that he would in all likelihood be fine if allowed back, it's likely that it still won't happen because it could set a precedent that doxxing threats are acceptable under certain circumstances.
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vyelkin posted:this is an internet forum, not a court of law. If somebody started targeting you by repeatedly posting "euphronius you have to post that you love Steph Curry and Nikola Jokic or I will contact your employer and send them an embarrassing video that could get you fired and ruin your life" and included in those repeated posts both a link to the video and your employer's email address, as a mod on this website I would not give a poo poo if they actually followed through, I would permaban them without thinking twice. ok but we don’t know who euphronius’ employer is because he doesn’t post videos of himself at work with his employer clearly viable. Also I wouldn’t use the word “embarrassing” to describe a video where someone is waving a razor blade and joking about suicide in the classroom where they work.
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Trump thread ➡️➡️➡️ CCCC 💯
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paul_soccer12 posted:Full disclosure i paid AIT 500 dollars to launch this campaign that's the sort of initiative real leaders are born with
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euphronius posted:I understand your pov but part of being a mod is having prosecutorial discretion . posting crimes are not always a strict liability thing. there are plenty of places on the forums where rules are flouted and it’s fine . mods can take the entire circumstances into account. the entire context . i think the mod is just saying even if you apply the "metaphor" of a court, it's still a forum so the max punishment is a permaban. So naturally both bad things and very very bad things will result in the same "sentence" (a perma) because there just aren't worse penalties As far as "commuting his sentence" az seems like he already agreed to bring it up with the supreme arbiter, so i think you won here already lol
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VideoKid posted:ok but we don’t know who euphronius’ employer is because he doesn’t post videos of himself at work with his employer clearly viable. Also I wouldn’t use the word “embarrassing” to describe a video where someone is waving a razor blade and joking about suicide in the classroom where they work. I don't get it, what part of this exactly validates someone threatening to doxx him? You people seem to be unable to maintain 2 ideas simultaneously, it's bad that Alec kept on spamming vlogs, and it's also bad that someone threatened to doxx him for it. Threatening to doxx someone isn't a normal reaction.
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vyelkin posted:yeah that's what makes the situation less black and white for me and why I'm not fully on team "keep cumshitter permabanned forever" (I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other on his merits as a poster because I never interacted with him as a poster or as a mod). His response was wrong and unacceptable, but it was a response to a bad situation that was in part due to our slow response as a mod team. As I said at the top of that post, we had been hitting Alec with much harsher punishments and were actively talking about a permaban, but cumshitter jumped the gun in a way that can't be acceptable here. See I think the lesson is not so much "doxxing is okay" but more "we mods hosed up by not listening to our users" and a good way to prevent that sort of thing from happening again might be listening to users
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yes the thread moved on as I was typing all that up . or I got confused in responses . thank you
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euphronius posted:yes the thread moved on as I was typing all that up . or I got confused in responses . thank you you did just fine buddy, have a treat on me
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Like no one is going to say: Well according to CSPAM v. Vyelkin, the precedent has been set that doxxing is not always a permabannable offense so we've got to free ModDoxxer6969
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free moddoxxer6969
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moddoxxer6969 did nothing wrong
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redneck nazgul posted:free moddoxxer6969 sorry moddoxxer6969 is currently serving two consecutive lifetime permas without the possibility of a QCS
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redneck nazgul posted:free moddoxxer6969
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I don't get it, what part of this exactly validates someone threatening to doxx him? You people seem to be unable to maintain 2 ideas simultaneously, it's bad that Alec kept on spamming vlogs, and it's also bad that someone threatened to doxx him for it. I think that the way Alec was treating Cumshitter should be taken into account. I don’t think a permaban is justified in this situation. I hope Jeff looks at all the facts and decides to commute Cumshitter’s sentence.
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bad: digging through years of posts and offsite links to form a profile of your posting enemy not bad: clowning on the moron who openly posts (and who continues to do so) personally identifying information, ruins thread discourse, and who the mods are taking their sweet loving time handling I hope this primer helps my fellow smooth brained
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Red Baron posted:bad: digging through years of posts and offsite links to form a profile of your posting enemy They're both perma'd and the mods have apologized for taking so long to deal with the vlogging guy. Is it okay to threaten to doxx someone if their posting bothers you?
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seriously it's bullshit that The Larry Issue is considered resolved and untouchable because jeffrey is annoyed by him or something even though the situation that led to his forumban in the first place has completely changed (I don't think the current mod team would get the same ire from the wee man)
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Like no one is going to say: I think this is probably correct, in that one of the advantages of SA moderation is that we can look at context and don't have to be perfectly consistent in every situation, because moderation is circumstantial. Az has already said he's going to raise this situation with the other admins for review, and I think it's a point in cumshitter's favour that they were apparently posting just fine on an alt account recently, which implies that with Alec gone they could probably go back to being a normal (if you can call them that) poster. As I said, part of why I put the effort in here is to try and provide some transparency for people who missed this the first time around, and to explain why it's possible that even after an admin review cumshitter may remain permabanned, because it's very possible that the admins will decide they don't want someone around who has the potential to threaten doxxing if they don't get their way on forums moderation quick enough. redneck nazgul posted:free moddoxxer6969 buddy, you couldn't pay me to take moddoxxer6969
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i think they would get the same ire but i also think they'd be able to deal with it in an adult manner rather than crying to the admins that they got told to choke on a fishbone
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AnimeIsTrash posted:They're both perma'd and the mods have apologized for taking so long to deal with the vlogging guy. Is it okay to threaten to doxx someone if their posting bothers you? yeah, actually
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here’s an idea: don’t wanna be doxxed? don’t flood a thread with your personal info revolutionary I know
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feel like I’m crossing the line into petty posting and I have said my due, gonna take a break
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I agree that goons post too much PII, I think it rocks that we have a thread full of people that think it's okay to doxx someone using that information.
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Aug 11, 2022 19:01
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AnimeIsTrash posted:They're both perma'd and the mods have apologized for taking so long to deal with the vlogging guy. Is it okay to threaten to doxx someone if their posting bothers you? threatening to doxx is bad and should be at least a month off + nominal administrative fee
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all those [mod edit: removed personal information] posts look like actual doxxing and not just threats?
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vyelkin posted:imo there's more to it than that. Alec should have been permabanned before cumshitter melted down about it, there's no doubt about that in my mind. To put some flesh on the bones Az mentioned, we had been talking about what to do with Alec for about a month at that point, including giving him bans and increasingly lengthy probations for his unhinged posting. From October 25th 2021 to his eventual permaban on January 9th 2022, Alec was banned twice and spent a month and 21 days on probation. Az was also going back and forth with cumshitter in private and with Alec in private and in public to try and get them to stop feuding. We were talking about Alec being on a short road that ended in a permaban, but at the time the guidance we were getting from the admins was that since he was just being persistently annoying rather than actively harmful, we should just start banning him every time he was particularly annoying. While these were a lot of words, I read them and have now sided against freeing this poster. However, Paul must still be made IK
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I offer a threefold solution: 1) Unperma both Alec Eiffel and cumshitter, create a special Post My Favorites thread where they (and only they) both have posting privileges, and remove their access to the rest of the forums. 2) Make this an actual court of law in the hopes that one day euphronius will be required to cite cumshitter v Alec Eiffel in open court 3) Robert and Michelle King to make a Forums Court legal drama called The Good Mod
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I agree that goons post too much PII, I think it rocks that we have a thread full of people that think it's okay to doxx someone using that information. Yeah... its pretty hosed up that people are like well what did he expect? No poo poo you shouldn't do that, but it's not an excuse to then take the information and threaten them with it.
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docbeard posted:3) Robert and Michelle King to make a Forums Court legal drama called The Good Mod what the gently caress is wrong with you
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not saying what cumshitter did was ok or that they didn’t deserve to be punished . just saying that now , 8 months later , perma seems a little severe given all the context 8 month probation is still a major sentence
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:all those [mod edit: removed personal information] posts look like actual doxxing and not just threats? it was 99% information Alec shared in his vlogs on this site just none of the mods watched them to know that
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really queer Christmas posted:Yeah... its pretty hosed up that people are like well what did he expect? No poo poo you shouldn't do that, but it's not an excuse to then take the information and threaten them with it. spoken like someone who never experienced the reign of Alec euphronius posted:not saying what cumshitter did was ok or that they didn’t deserve to be punished . just saying that now , 8 months later , perma seems a little severe given all the context but mostly this
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really queer Christmas posted:However, Paul must still be made IK a paul for us all!
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vyelkin posted:yeah that's what makes the situation less black and white for me and why I'm not fully on team "keep cumshitter permabanned forever" (I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other on his merits as a poster because I never interacted with him as a poster or as a mod). His response was wrong and unacceptable, but it was a response to a bad situation that was in part due to our slow response as a mod team. As I said at the top of that post, we had been hitting Alec with much harsher punishments and were actively talking about a permaban, but cumshitter jumped the gun in a way that can't be acceptable here. Allow him to come back under psudonym. If anybody reports him for perma-evasion ding that for doxing.
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KirbyKhan posted:Allow him to come back under psudonym. If anybody reports him for perma-evasion ding that for doxing. already happened
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VideoKid posted:I think that the way Alec was treating Cumshitter should be taken into account. I don’t think a permaban is justified in this situation. I hope Jeff looks at all the facts and decides to commute Cumshitter’s sentence. Alec’s posting made cumshitter go insane? The hell kinda excuse is this
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The uncomfortable truth that no trimpf thread goon wants to admit is that cumshitter, along with everyone else in that thread, was always insane
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