[Biosphere Collapse] 420 days of blazin' it

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Kill Dozed: Feb 13, 2008

HiHo ChiRho posted:

Eating a salad is committing genocide

If this is true, I don't even want to know what crime I committed by smoking all that weed.

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kater: Nov 16, 2010

Stereotype posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP5IWz01ti8

it's just sum rumbles

this ai sounds so loving excited about this

# ? Sep 10, 2022 12:25

endlessmonotony: Nov 4, 2009; by Fritz the Horse

Does a tomato have buddha nature?

# ? Sep 10, 2022 13:42

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

HiHo ChiRho posted:

Eating a salad is committing genocide

geno side salad

# ? Sep 10, 2022 13:45

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Mameluke posted:

oh my god i'd like to see a rabbit suffuse the entire biosphere with plastics.

it would if it could. 100%

# ? Sep 10, 2022 15:50

Blockade: Oct 22, 2008

Kill Dozed posted:

If this is true, I don't even want to know what crime I committed by smoking all that weed.

house plants are plant slavery

# ? Sep 10, 2022 16:02

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Corsec posted:

Ideas like sapience/sentience serves the same justificatory role within humanist ideology that whiteness plays within white supremacy.

The fact that you are convinced that your subjective experience exists is not sufficient scientific proof that it actually exists.

The apparent absence orinferiority of subjective experience inside the bodies of non-humans does not prove or justify the belief that the thing does not have interests or those interests do not deserve concern.

You're right these are extremely hot takes indeed

I notice inanimate objects like rocks also fit the definition of non-human, do they deserve our concern too? Or does it only count if they have a body?

What if I put it to you that ideas like "having a body" serves the same justificatory role within humanist ideology that whiteness plays within white supremacy?

# ? Sep 10, 2022 16:10

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Corsec, you've made some really interesting points, and I'm a little sad that we are all busy strawmanning you because it really is difficult to think and discuss humanity's exploitative relationship with nature beyond material and direct examples (factory farming, clear cutting, etc). As you said here:

quote:

[...]
Dominance relationships have been the paradigm that have humans have increasingly relied upon for success, both within and between species, and that's what is killing us. It's a self-reinforcing feedback loop that bootstraps itself until it hits external limits, it works only while it can appropriate increasing amounts of energy/resources.

Mutualism exists, but the problem with it is that it has to exist within a biosphere where human dominance relationships have proven to be so successful that the best examples of mutualists were colonized and genocided, and are mostly history now.
[...]

Life consumes life to survive, after all.

I will add one slight amendment to the point about the horticultural revolution: whether caused by climate change or by human overexploitation, humanity was forced to choose a less desirable substitution because the preconditions of its former way of life was coming to an end (and the ideal conditions of the Holocene helped too!)

And yes, while I'm trying desperately not to idolize the "noble savage", we've only had one type of human organization survive for far longer than civilization so far ...

Homeless Friend posted:

first they came for the tomato, and I said nothing because I was not a tomato

You might not be a tomato, but you're one helluva fruit!

Hubbert has issued a correction as of 16:24 on Sep 10, 2022

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Microplastics posted:

You're right these are extremely hot takes indeed

I notice inanimate objects like rocks also fit the definition of non-human, do they deserve our concern too? Or does it only count if they have a body?

What if I put it to you that ideas like "having a body" serves the same justificatory role within humanist ideology that whiteness plays within white supremacy?

Crystals exhibit growth and can be killed by interfering with their growth, so at least crystals are as important as animals or these other human-centric �kingdoms� (a sus choice of words imo)

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kater: Nov 16, 2010

the only one not guilty is the hydrogen burning in the sky. pure and sinless, sacrificing itself for us all. bow before the sun.

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biceps crimes: Apr 12, 2008

lol that the doomer thread premised by the fact that we are doomed because we have stupid violent ape brains that that don�t understand nature (and those that did were all genocided) reacting in this way is p funny

# ? Sep 10, 2022 16:24

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Mameluke posted:

oh my god i'd like to see a rabbit suffuse the entire biosphere with plastics. who gives one gently caress about what ants would do. we can and are doing exponentially more damage than any other species could.

Classic humanist thinking. When rabbits destroy the ecosystem of an entire continent it �doesn�t count� because they didn�t do it in the exact same way humans would.

# ? Sep 10, 2022 16:25

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

biceps crimes posted:

lol that the doomer thread premised by the fact that we are doomed because we have stupid violent ape brains that that don’t understand nature (and those that did were all genocided) reacting in this way is p funny

this is correct

There's so much wisdom that we've collectively lost from annihilating indigenous tribes and societies :negative:

Hubbert has issued a correction as of 16:28 on Sep 10, 2022

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Blockade: Oct 22, 2008

FlapYoJacks posted:

https://twitter.com/marco_piani/status/1568193775364718598?s=46&t=7awRxsc41RWtmHzVknWZ9Q

This is getting to me god drat

China emits more than other countries, but far less per capita, as such you can argue their climate policies are more effective than the US.

Noah and the other libs like him are demanding they 'correct' this issue, it doesnt matter that per capita emissions are lower, its total that counts, etc.

Through what mechanism are they suggesting this be done? Because it kind of sounds like they're asking for a purge.

# ? Sep 10, 2022 16:32

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

AceClown posted:

this is why the other threads make fun of us

because they're too stupid to detect sarcasm and too uptight to have a good time bantering in the apocalypse?

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Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Goons inadvertantly discovering Jainism itt

# ? Sep 10, 2022 17:02

Shima Honnou: Dec 1, 2010; The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit; College Slice

Justin Tyme posted:

Goons inadvertantly discovering Jainism itt

the mahavira says that the only true religion is avoiding injury to any living being, which is diametrically opposed to the actual true religion which is profit at all cost

# ? Sep 10, 2022 17:09

Ferdinand Bardamu: Apr 30, 2013

Blockade posted:

This is getting to me god drat

China emits more than other countries, but far less per capita, as such you can argue their climate policies are more effective than the US.

Noah and the other libs like him are demanding they 'correct' this issue, it doesnt matter that per capita emissions are lower, its total that counts, etc.

Through what mechanism are they suggesting this be done? Because it kind of sounds like they're asking for a purge.

Right, and if you want to be parochial about it (which Americans love to do), look at the graph back to the start of the Industrial Revolution and look at how much the US and UK are responsible. Oh, China may eek out a higher per capita emission level in 10-20 years. Never mind those pesky previous 220 years.

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Dustcat: Jan 26, 2019

Stereotype posted:

how about we compromise and tomatoes get 3/5ths of a vote

lol

# ? Sep 10, 2022 17:20

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Blockade posted:

This is getting to me god drat

China emits more than other countries, but far less per capita, as such you can argue their climate policies are more effective than the US.

Noah and the other libs like him are demanding they 'correct' this issue, it doesnt matter that per capita emissions are lower, its total that counts, etc.

Through what mechanism are they suggesting this be done? Because it kind of sounds like they're asking for a purge.

fundamentally it's all whataboutisms to derail any call to domestic action because that's liberalism's whole thing

# ? Sep 10, 2022 17:22

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1568645346384912389?s=20&t=q3c_tx8nVsQVbwUaX4Mrlw

# ? Sep 10, 2022 18:32

unwantedplatypus: Sep 6, 2012

Had to sit in on a lecture about somebody's research on the impacts of nuclear war.

Important conclusions presented:

1) We have a hedge against climate change

2) Invest in fisheries if the nukes fly

funded by silicon valley oligarchs

I wish I was joking

# ? Sep 10, 2022 18:37

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Shima Honnou posted:

the mahavira says that the only true religion is avoiding injury to any living being, which is diametrically opposed to the actual true religion which is profit at all cost

Is there any way to get profit at no cost? The cost is really eating into my profit.

# ? Sep 10, 2022 19:04

mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

Shima Honnou posted:

the mahavira says that the only true religion is avoiding injury to any living being, which is diametrically opposed to the actual true religion which is profit at all cost

the mahavira showed the world the joy of living by the NAP

# ? Sep 10, 2022 19:36

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

unwantedplatypus posted:

Had to sit in on a lecture about somebody's research on the impacts of nuclear war.

Important conclusions presented:

1) We have a hedge against climate change

2) Invest in fisheries if the nukes fly

funded by silicon valley oligarchs

I wish I was joking

what are the fish going to eat during nuclear winter? planktion?

# ? Sep 10, 2022 19:45

unwantedplatypus: Sep 6, 2012

The Voice of Labor posted:

what are the fish going to eat during nuclear winter? planktion?

The value of fish will go up as land-based agriculture is devastated. This will incentivize fishery strategies that will lead to greater fish biomass. This could mean that more sustainable types of fishing will be developed. In our model we didn't consider things like "industrial pollution and decay seeping into the waterways".

# ? Sep 10, 2022 20:06

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

my understanding is that eating a tomato is like eating cum. its just a reproductive vessel for the plant.

# ? Sep 10, 2022 20:39

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Bacon lettuce and cum

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Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

Oops wrong thread.

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Mayor Dave: Feb 20, 2009; Bernie the Snow Clown

Most fruit and vegetables either period, placenta, cum, or fetus it's metal af

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:22

Shima Honnou: Dec 1, 2010; The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit; College Slice

Microplastics posted:

Is there any way to get profit at no cost? The cost is really eating into my profit.

simple, you just get the government to subsidize you, its how a complete dumbass became the richest person alive

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:23

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Mayor Dave posted:

Most fruit and vegetables either period, placenta, cum, or fetus it's metal af

where does a baby carrot fall on this spectrum?

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:23

Shima Honnou: Dec 1, 2010; The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit; College Slice

mawarannahr posted:

where does a baby carrot fall on this spectrum?

life begins at the seed stage

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:25

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

mawarannahr posted:

where does a baby carrot fall on this spectrum?

Just after fetus carrot

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:35

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Microplastics posted:

Just after fetus carrot

it�s made from an adult carrot whittled down though.

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:44

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

endlessmonotony posted:

We're going insane. Again.

good night

# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:49

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

an egg posted:

what are you irl? i'm guessing either a lawyer or a real estate agent

https://youtu.be/na4GYyJwYjQ

# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:25

The Demilich: Apr 9, 2020; The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.

Corsec posted:

Hot takes:

Humanist (including liberal and classic socialist) ideology is to species what Nazi ideology is to race.

Species is no less of a historical and social construct than race is.

Taxonomic classification is no justification for granting or witholding political, moral and legal status. This is as true of species as it is for race.

Ideas like sapience/sentience serves the same justificatory role within humanist ideology that whiteness plays within white supremacy.

The fact that you are convinced that your subjective experience exists is not sufficient scientific proof that it actually exists.

The apparent absence orinferiority of subjective experience inside the bodies of non-humans does not prove or justify the belief that the thing does not have interests or those interests do not deserve concern.

Corsec posted:

You're an animal, living in nature, exercising your own agency in forming moralistic beliefs and practices. There is no non-interference, unless you assume a disembodied objective viewpoint which humans don't possess. Organisms establish their own normativity according to what relationships they form with other living beings. Morality in humans is one form of this normativity and recently is mostly formed according to dominance relationships because dominators keep, uh, dominating everyone else and getting away with it.

Within an anthropocentric moral framework then yeah it follows as stupid and offensive to compare tomatos and cows to humans exactly because anthropocentrism assumes the human privilege that moral worth is to be assigned according to how close something is to resembling a human, mentally or physically. Since cows and tomatoes aren't human, then yeah obviously they can't be equals because humanistic philosophy has already foreclosed it out of legitimate consideration.

A dominance-based culture centers moral concerns on itself as the measure of all other things. Alternatively, some pre-modern cultures had sacred animals, veneration for the instrinsic value of non-humans in a way that doesn't require that they possess the same properties that we would recognize and value in ourselves.

Engaging with other organisms in a mutualistic way means engaging with their own interests, and those interests aren't obviously aligned with our own subjective concerns, like morality, because our morality is formed according to our own particular interests and not theirs.

Right, so mutualistic/symbiotic relationships are what prevent runaway growth, because if you kill your symbiont or co-mutual then you die. Whereas the logic of a dominance relationship is to exploit and exhaust everything, because you're mostly competing against other exploiters/dominators and if you don't take it then they will.

Humans didn't self-limit like this because they didn't need mutualism across species only inside their own species. After their first mass extinction event of killing off the megafauna they used their intelligence to switch to horticulture as a substitute. Otherwise they might have had to attempt a mutualistic strategy with the remaining fauna. So, unlike corals, humans have the option of eating their way down the food chain until there is no food chain left. Co-mutuals are locked into a section of the food chain and this is what prevents catastrophe. So I think a survivable ecology for humans is something that is ethically unrecognizable to our culture, and I can't even fully imagine it since I'm a produce of the same culture.

100%

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

this is just the Mother Culture theory from Ishmael

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A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

Cane toads.

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