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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


chaosapiant posted:

I don’t know poo poo about what the last 10 pages of this thread are talking about, but boy do I love me some Disco Elysium! And now that I’m a year or so out from a bad breakup, I’ll have the stomach to play through this amazing game again.

You should call them, it can only go brilliantly.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Prepare for feelings.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Use the figurines

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Orange Devil posted:

Prepare for feelings.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

I will never not laugh at Encylopedia popping up to tell you about Contact Mike.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

FairGame posted:

I will never not laugh at Encylopedia popping up to tell you about Contact Mike.

:same: but when you buy the innocence book

imhotep
Nov 16, 2009

REDBAR INTENSIFIES

Orange Devil posted:

If you want to go deeper on this, the melody Scooter is using here is from a Breton folk song. It was used by Dutch band Bots in 1976 for their explicitly socialist song "Zeven dagen lang". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le6uFnLwqYU

They also translated this song to German and had some success there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3Y_jtDADo

It's entirely possible Scooter first heard this melody from this.

drat, this is so cool, there’s so many things in disco elysium that seem like they’re related in multiple, complex ways, like this, probably just because Robert Kurvitz and whoever else have had the history for Revachol in one form or another develop in their heads for so long through the book he wrote and their tabletop game campaign and then disco elysium that all of these reference points probably just formed subconsciously a lot of the time. I’m always amazed by how layered all of it is and how the setting feels so rich and realistic, but then I remember how much time they’ve spent developing all of it and then it makes more sense, but even then it’s still really impressive.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

chaosapiant posted:

I don’t know poo poo about what the last 10 pages of this thread are talking about, but boy do I love me some Disco Elysium! And now that I’m a year or so out from a bad breakup, I’ll have the stomach to play through this amazing game again.

Be prepared for a blow or two to the emotional kidneys.

Strange Charm
Apr 6, 2008

bop bop perano posted:

Isn’t it just referencing the question he asks you when you’re trying to figure out the egghead puzzle or whatever before that asking how much is the fish? Which is a reference to this, or is that what you meant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbB3iGRHtqA
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE QUESTION?!

Egg Head basically just being H.P. Baxxter from Scooter is one of the funniest things about the game to me

Ramie
Mar 2, 2021

https://mobile.twitter.com/joegrstdeux/status/1567566908244824066

um. hrmm. you really wouldn't be able to hear anal beads

Tungsten
Aug 10, 2004

Your Working Boy

catgirlgenius posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/joegrstdeux/status/1567566908244824066

um. hrmm. you really wouldn't be able to hear anal beads

just one more piece of alternate-universe industrial design

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Went to an ancient torture museum today and saw a very familiar face:

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Went to an ancient torture museum today and saw a very familiar face:



they had no idea of his vast, oceanic soul

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib
Having an discussion/argument with a person on instagram this morning (at 5AM? what is my life) about how the radio computers function. What do you all think?

My initial impression is: "scifi/fantasy computer woohooo" but considering how detailed everything is, there must be some low-level logic to how it functions, even if it isn't like, real-world analogous.

Encyclopedia specifically says "they haven't invented modern silicon-based computing yet" which is... a whack-rear end 4th wall break? OR it is implying that silicon-based computing DOES exist, recently, but isn't available to the masses yet? How expensive are Radio Computers? Since Fortress Accident has ONE, Kim has NEVER seen one, and Trant has one, they must be.... accessible or extremely expensive? Trant seems.... rich? I'm just gonna spitball:

Our discussion mostly revolved around the reasoning for "radio" in radio computer. I argued that they are more distributed-based computing, utilizing radio in some capacity. They argued that the radio is a placeholder/replacement for dial up internet and only used for password verification, which I can kind of see, but we mostly argued around the issue of why do you need to contact a repeater station to access the filaments related to Fortress Accident? They said it was just external password validation for sensitive/protective purposes, and it wasn't always required/necessary because Trant says his kid plays video games and stuff on their radio computer, which seems to somewhat imply that Trant/his kid DO NOT need to contact a repeater station every time they boot up the system.

As an aside, I think it is interesting to consider that they computers don't say EXECUTE or RUN, but "PLAY" as if they are playing cassettes/tapes. Of course, this could just be a uh "flourish" to make them seem more old-timey. Do the filament memories work like really low tech circuitry or something? They are held in a cage with light, so I assume they are read in a manner that requires light to penetrate them, but that doesn't seem to consider how they are written to? Is that a manual process or something?

Maybe they only require passwords if they are requested. Otherwise they automatically unlock?

I'm spitballing.

A quick google pulls up this on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/p0w5dv/radio_computers_any_insights_into_this_mysterious/

Much to consider.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

ziasquinn posted:

Having an discussion/argument with a person on instagram this morning (at 5AM? what is my life) about how the radio computers function. What do you all think?

My initial impression is: "scifi/fantasy computer woohooo" but considering how detailed everything is, there must be some low-level logic to how it functions, even if it isn't like, real-world analogous.

Encyclopedia specifically says "they haven't invented modern silicon-based computing yet" which is... a whack-rear end 4th wall break? OR it is implying that silicon-based computing DOES exist, recently, but isn't available to the masses yet? How expensive are Radio Computers? Since Fortress Accident has ONE, Kim has NEVER seen one, and Trant has one, they must be.... accessible or extremely expensive? Trant seems.... rich? I'm just gonna spitball:

Our discussion mostly revolved around the reasoning for "radio" in radio computer. I argued that they are more distributed-based computing, utilizing radio in some capacity. They argued that the radio is a placeholder/replacement for dial up internet and only used for password verification, which I can kind of see, but we mostly argued around the issue of why do you need to contact a repeater station to access the filaments related to Fortress Accident? They said it was just external password validation for sensitive/protective purposes, and it wasn't always required/necessary because Trant says his kid plays video games and stuff on their radio computer, which seems to somewhat imply that Trant/his kid DO NOT need to contact a repeater station every time they boot up the system.

As an aside, I think it is interesting to consider that they computers don't say EXECUTE or RUN, but "PLAY" as if they are playing cassettes/tapes. Of course, this could just be a uh "flourish" to make them seem more old-timey. Do the filament memories work like really low tech circuitry or something? They are held in a cage with light, so I assume they are read in a manner that requires light to penetrate them, but that doesn't seem to consider how they are written to? Is that a manual process or something?

Maybe they only require passwords if they are requested. Otherwise they automatically unlock?

I'm spitballing.

A quick google pulls up this on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/p0w5dv/radio_computers_any_insights_into_this_mysterious/

Much to consider.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Transistors come out of radio. They are an evolution of radio amplifiers.

My assumption was it was just an alternative development path that stayed more radio.

Wrr
Aug 8, 2010


You can do a lot of weird stuff with radios IRL. IIRC there was an early way of pirating atari games or some such that involved listening to a radio station and recording its "audio" to a tape, with that audio just being the game's data (back when games literally were on cassettes).

Data can be transmitted just as easily as audio, as long as the receiver is designed to demodulate the RF properly and, presumably, there is something in place to handle missing bits of data.

The Instrument Landing Systems functions on a principle of "space modulation"; broadcasting two signals of the same frequency & signal strength with different modulating audio tones and allowing the difference in phase experienced by the receiver being in different physical location to do some math (kinda sorta). I imagine that maybe the broadcasted RF signal is acting as some sort of RAM, or there is some sort of space modulation going on to perform calculations.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
I think I even remember something about some researchers in Israel looking into how you could use radio frequencies to steal data from computers even if they were airgapped

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

christmas boots posted:

I think I even remember something about some researchers in Israel looking into how you could use radio frequencies to steal data from computers even if they were airgapped

TEMPEST? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)

King Carnivore
Dec 17, 2007

Graveyard Disciple
The technology in Elysium developed in a radio direction because you can’t run transatlantic (transisolic?) cables across the pale, so for an internet-like thing to work it needs to communicate over radio.

Even when you call Sylvie, the radio operator at the station connects you to her landline via the radio.

Dieting Hippo
Jan 5, 2006

THIS IS NOT A PROPER DIET FOR A HIPPO
The "cube-like crisscross of filaments" I believe is a rope memory module! These things also went up to space on the Apollo missions. It's wires that are hand-spun through little rings in a grid, and providing the right X and Y voltage would flip the data stored at the X/Y position on the lattice.


zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


God drat I need another disco Elysium game

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Wrr posted:

You can do a lot of weird stuff with radios IRL. IIRC there was an early way of pirating atari games or some such that involved listening to a radio station and recording its "audio" to a tape, with that audio just being the game's data (back when games literally were on cassettes).

Audio animatronics are another example. The Disney stuff. The audio tape with voices and music was also the data for the animatronics motion.

The DE stuff strikes me as still at that analog digital transition period

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

zenguitarman posted:

God drat I need another disco Elysium game

Same. Give me a prequel where you play as Klaasje loving over MI and Looskap or something.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

zenguitarman posted:

God drat I need another disco Elysium game

TRANSLATE THE BOOK, KURVITZ!

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Animal-Mother posted:

TRANSLATE THE BOOK, KURVITZ!

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

I think it was this story: https://www.businessinsider.com/tel-aviv-researchers-hack-into-laptops-using-radio-waves-2015-6

But not surprised the tech has been around for a while

King Carnivore
Dec 17, 2007

Graveyard Disciple

CottonWolf posted:

Same. Give me a prequel where you play as Klaasje loving over MI and Looskap or something.

I don’t think ZA/UM is going to go in this direction, but I really want a straight up sequel set in Jamrock. We’ve barely plumbed the depths of Harrier’s vast and oceanic soul. It could have a save import, where your partner is Kim, if you recruited him for Precinct 41, or Cuno if you recruited him, or Jean if you did neither. I would love exploring the doom alluded to by La Revacholiere.

King Carnivore fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Sep 12, 2022

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN
Is there any way at all to avoid the -1 “weak when you first met” against Titus when establishing authority? I’ve tried avoiding the initial interaction until having a lot of evidence I need but haven’t figured out how that particular one works. No big deal just curious

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

the_american_dream posted:

Is there any way at all to avoid the -1 “weak when you first met” against Titus when establishing authority? I’ve tried avoiding the initial interaction until having a lot of evidence I need but haven’t figured out how that particular one works. No big deal just curious

If you're a high physique cop with lots of physical instrument you can size him up, and if you don't pick the dumb options you can avoid the -1 modifier, and even get a +1 modifier of "won physical standoff" when you first meet.

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN
Ah ok. That is the current build I have but I backed away in the standoff because I forgot to save and know there are a few ways to die with that group :geno:

Thanks

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib
the real way is to “I’m gonna loving kill myself now, you whore.” (Pull the trigger.)

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


zenguitarman posted:

God drat I need another disco Elysium game

Animal-Mother posted:

TRANSLATE THE BOOK, KURVITZ!

ovenboy
Nov 16, 2014

zenguitarman posted:

God drat I need another disco Elysium game

ZA/UM pairs up with activision to release a Krenel Ops shooter moba

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


Wrr posted:

You can do a lot of weird stuff with radios IRL. IIRC there was an early way of pirating atari games or some such that involved listening to a radio station and recording its "audio" to a tape, with that audio just being the game's data (back when games literally were on cassettes).

Data can be transmitted just as easily as audio, as long as the receiver is designed to demodulate the RF properly and, presumably, there is something in place to handle missing bits of data.

The Instrument Landing Systems functions on a principle of "space modulation"; broadcasting two signals of the same frequency & signal strength with different modulating audio tones and allowing the difference in phase experienced by the receiver being in different physical location to do some math (kinda sorta). I imagine that maybe the broadcasted RF signal is acting as some sort of RAM, or there is some sort of space modulation going on to perform calculations.

My sailboat has a modem and can send and receive emails, weather data etc over SSB radio (HF/MF)

It's cool but sloooow

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

ziasquinn posted:

Having an discussion/argument with a person on instagram this morning (at 5AM? what is my life) about how the radio computers function. What do you all think?

My initial impression is: "scifi/fantasy computer woohooo" but considering how detailed everything is, there must be some low-level logic to how it functions, even if it isn't like, real-world analogous.

Encyclopedia specifically says "they haven't invented modern silicon-based computing yet" which is... a whack-rear end 4th wall break? OR it is implying that silicon-based computing DOES exist, recently, but isn't available to the masses yet? How expensive are Radio Computers? Since Fortress Accident has ONE, Kim has NEVER seen one, and Trant has one, they must be.... accessible or extremely expensive? Trant seems.... rich? I'm just gonna spitball:

Our discussion mostly revolved around the reasoning for "radio" in radio computer. I argued that they are more distributed-based computing, utilizing radio in some capacity. They argued that the radio is a placeholder/replacement for dial up internet and only used for password verification, which I can kind of see, but we mostly argued around the issue of why do you need to contact a repeater station to access the filaments related to Fortress Accident? They said it was just external password validation for sensitive/protective purposes, and it wasn't always required/necessary because Trant says his kid plays video games and stuff on their radio computer, which seems to somewhat imply that Trant/his kid DO NOT need to contact a repeater station every time they boot up the system.

As an aside, I think it is interesting to consider that they computers don't say EXECUTE or RUN, but "PLAY" as if they are playing cassettes/tapes. Of course, this could just be a uh "flourish" to make them seem more old-timey. Do the filament memories work like really low tech circuitry or something? They are held in a cage with light, so I assume they are read in a manner that requires light to penetrate them, but that doesn't seem to consider how they are written to? Is that a manual process or something?

Maybe they only require passwords if they are requested. Otherwise they automatically unlock?

I'm spitballing.

A quick google pulls up this on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/p0w5dv/radio_computers_any_insights_into_this_mysterious/

Much to consider.

I always took radiocomputers to be a tongue in cheek joke about cloud computing but I would entirely believe it goes deeper than that.

The real fun thing though is tape computers, of which you play the game through one, if you look carefully on the filmstrips that crisscross the UI you can sometimes see the word 'FELD' spelled out on some of them. There's also a like of dialog (shivers I think?) that alludes to the fact that there still exists a working Feld computer hidden away in a sewer somewhere, that for all we know is semi-diagetically the one you're playing the game on.

E: http://fayde.co.uk/dialojue/5540414
"Two seagulls circle in the sky. You look up and think: really? Or was there a fourth prototype that remains hidden in the mausoleums below Coal City?..."

Sardonik fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 12, 2022

Tagaziel
Aug 28, 2022

Ce n'est pas un chat.
I kinda want to see what happens to Revachol after it gets nuked.

Also, anyone else using Fayde religiously?

Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!
:black101:

AFAIK ZA/UM has been hiring for game positions so somethings coming, who knows how long it will be though.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Pattonesque posted:

they had no idea of his vast, oceanic soul

was reading about this and thought it was very disco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling

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Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Tagaziel posted:

I kinda want to see what happens to Revachol after it gets nuked.

Also, anyone else using Fayde religiously?

I use
https://disco-reader.gitlab.io/disco-reader/#/

which lets you see the dialogue as a tree. the automatic layout is bad with the tree criss-crossing itself but you can see the conditions that lead to certain dialogue opening up really easily

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