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StarkingBarfish posted:I've seen very little actual reporting on these charter zone things... and only brief mention of the them conflating them with freeports and the like. Have you got a link to something reliable on it so I can learn how even more turbofucked we're all going to be? If you want an idea of what it's going to be like, just look at the Freeports in various other parts of the world. There's been very little actual reporting about the UK plans, and most of what I've gleaned from it all is from very concerned people on twitter. There's a blueprint for my area, Plymouth and South Devon Freeport, and it goes along South Devon from Plymouth to Torbay, and encompasses all of Dartmoor, ending about 10 miles north of where I live on North Dartmoor. In a nutshell, a 'global corporation' will control it all, have special tax incentives, and be able to ignore many UK laws. There is every chance that they will also be operating their own police forces and public sector services too. Think of those mill towns in the 1700-1800's where rich owners had control of absolutely everything... it's going to be like that, but on steroids. Local government will still exist, and be able to decide on things like planning decisions, but the corporation will be able to override any decisions it doesn't agree with. With reference to Dartmoor, with no planning laws to get in the way, a lot of the moor could eventually turn into open pit mining. There's a whole host of rare resources under the moor, as the Tungsten mine in Hemmerdon proves. I've yet to see a good article about the proposed UK freeports, as I guess a lot of people are waiting for the actual specifics, but it's not good. Not good at all. If anyone does have a good article, please share. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:One time I thought I was in luck having a boyfriend who hated football. Then the cricket started I know a guy in Sri Lanka who is a man of simple tastes: he likes beer, fighting, cricket, and combinations thereof. I don't really get cricket hooliganism as a lifestyle, surely you're all tuckered out by day three?
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fuctifino posted:
Hopefully the Hound of the Baskervilles will pursue them into the Grimpen Mire. But yeah, it's really hard to find a decent article on how Charter Cities are to be implemented in the UK. Done quite a bit of googling but nothing is very informative. There's this, but it's very thin on detail: https://blog.politics.ox.ac.uk/is-the-charter-cities-moment-here/ This one https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/15/beware-the-charter-cities-conspiracy-theory/ I've even looked on the parliament website and can't find anything. Just asked a former MP I know if he knows how to get hold of any research on there. A question was asked by Tobias Ellwood on 2nd Sept due to be answered on 6th Sept but it wasn't answered then and obviously govt completely ceased to function in the past couple of weeks.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:But yeah, it's really hard to find a decent article on how Charter Cities are to be implemented in the UK. Done quite a bit of googling but nothing is very informative. Thanks, it's not just me then. I found very little information about the UK plans. I guess more information is going to be revealed in a few days maybe? https://twitter.com/hmtreasury/status/1572241032124809219 There's no detail about this Growth Plan yet either.
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Well that was helpful ... erm... former MP has NEVER HEARD of Charter Cities. Was pointed at the commons research library, put the word Charter in and out of 106 results absolutely nothing to do with Charter Cities. I've asked him if he were still an MP where would he find the information he needs to scrutinize such a bill in order to give an informed vote (or as I understand it most MPs just bundle into the lobby the whips tell them without having a clue what they're voting for half the time). Anyway, he said he might have a look tomorrow.
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Get him to search for "Libertarian Hell-Zone".
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"What's a 'reddit'?"
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Charter cities chat: https://web.archive.org/web/20110511143027/http://www.chartercities.org/concept This is not the same website (and is defunct) as chartercitiesinstitute . org There's a fair amount of stuff around 2009-2012. A cursory reading of various bits and bobs suggests that such cities are new cities not pre-existing cities. LOL - the guy Paul Romer who came up with the notion wrote: https://marroninstitute.nyu.edu/blog/why-i-wouldnt-live-in-a-privately-run-city Be interesting to see what has happened to some of the cities Whole bunch of stuff here: https://marroninstitute.nyu.edu/search/eyJyZXN1bHRfcGFnZSI6InNlYXJjaCIsImtleXdvcmRzIjoiY2hhcnRlciBjaXRpZXMiLCJzIjoic3VibWl0In0 Everything on Charter Cities seems to peter out by 2015 though there's 12 pages of links if you search charter cities and search doesn't seem to allow chronological order though I haven't explored it in great detail. God knows what Truss is thinking of except yet another way of putting significant chunks of the UK under lawless Tory control. I did see an article earlier today that she is writing to various cities asking if they want to be Charter Cities but I can't find it now. It does seem a bit Ayn Rand though with her idea of libertarian states. The real life Galt's Gulch they built in Chile failed spectacularly: https://galtsgulchchile.com/ Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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So my gut fear is valid? It's not sounding good, is it?
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From articles specifically about the Truss team vision of them it seems like they will just be places with lower tariffs and taxes, possibly with some reduced employment rights as well. Still deeply worrying mind you. It might be neutered into nothingness once it hits parliament and the papers though.
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fuctifino posted:So my gut fear is valid? It's not sounding good, is it? I really think there should be some detailed research published on the subject with case studies and so forth and try to understand what she has in mind and whether she even has a clue what she's talking about other than 'low tax' 'tory mates getting even more taxpayer bungs' 'no pesky h&s laws to follow'.
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Guavanaut posted:"What's a 'reddit'?" It's like a gribbit but less frogs.
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I found the Guardian article that triggered my fears about the freeport idea.quote:...The new freeports will be run by “operators”, among whom are some highly controversial private companies. Companies using a freeport can claim a wide range of customs privileges and tax cuts. These include business rate relief, which will deprive central government of income (because local authorities will be fully compensated by the Exchequer for the loss of rates), and employers’ national insurance relief, which creates a two-tier workforce: cheap and even cheaper. The entire article makes for grim reading. e: These are the original government proposals. Far too many words for me to process https://assets.publishing.service.g...Res_-_FINAL.pdf fuctifino fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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AGAIN: every time you see the word "regulation", mentally replace it with "protection", and see how the sentence reads.
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This is the government guidance with links to other official docs: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/freeportsquote:In March 2021, it was announced that, subject to completing the necessary authorisation processes, the following locations would become Freeports: Maps to all of these areas can be found here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/maps-of-uk-freeports
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fuctifino posted:This is the government guidance with links to other official docs: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/freeports Interesting idea putting HMP Dartmoor & MOD firing ranges inside a freeport. That South Devon one is loving massive. 40 miles from the furthest north to south point & 40 miles at its broadest pointed east to west. I like how the Thames Freeport gets a well planned (relative) border & everything else is just "a circle"
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I can't say I have noticed anything different at teesport. I thought it was just some brexit bollocks.
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gently caress, just imagine them trying to turn Liverpool into a freeport. That's one way to punish the UK's most resolutely left-wing city.
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:My partner recently said she was glad I’m not into football. I pointed out that football is only 90 minutes, whereas a bike race can be 4-5 hours, but she was still pleased with my choices
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I have never had to sit through hours of conversation about who’s bike is the fastest or how quickly that one guy should have been pedaling or whatever it is that differentiates cyclists from each other. Football fans don’t just limit it to the 90 minutes the game is actually being played, they can do a football chat just about any time of the day for as long as needed about a range of topics only tangentially related to their favourite kickmen.
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fuctifino posted:This is the government guidance with links to other official docs: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/freeports Honestly what is going on with Plymouth? We don't even have a real cargo terminal, the others on that list are all 20x bigger.
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Payndz posted:Truss in the States saying that other countries should follow the UK's example and embrace trickle-down economics. Sorry chaps, I guess it CAN get worse.
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The thing with trickle down economics is, if you imagine a tower of champagne flutes being filled from the top. For it to work those glasses at the top have to be limited, be able to fill up so the excess champagne overflows to the glasses lower down the tower. Removing caps on banker bonuses for example is the sort of policy that runs directly counter to this concept. Otherwise its like a bucket sitting on thimbles. And the bucket has a hosepipe overflow to a swimming pool (cayman islands?) Anyway.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You're hiding her! This is the lovely small queen for plebs, not the real queen. https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1572159889199468544
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The thing with trickle down economics is, if you imagine a tower of champagne flutes being filled from the top. For it to work those glasses at the top have to be limited, be able to fill up so the excess champagne overflows to the glasses lower down the tower. Removing caps on banker bonuses for example is the sort of policy that runs directly counter to this concept. You should write for the FT
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* sad royal bagpipe noises * https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1572255563437821955?s=46&t=l98MoMd5cF2yHGCDYtPPAQ
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Bike races lets the casual viewer see a variety of landscapes, funny-looking fans, and the occasional crash. Call it 'moving the goalposts'.
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Darth Walrus posted:* sad royal bagpipe noises * To be fair, in 2022, I'm not sure you can just blithely be all 'excludes streaming', that's like most of the non-olds.
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Yeah but who's deciding to watch a live funeral on catch-up?
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josh04 posted:Yeah but who's deciding to watch a live funeral on catch-up? People who attended and want to see if they made it on telly? So Liz Truss?
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Darth Walrus posted:* sad royal bagpipe noises * 5 BILLION PEOPLE 
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Pantsmaster Bill posted:My partner recently said she was glad I’m not into football. I pointed out that football is only 90 minutes, whereas a bike race can be 4-5 hours, but she was still pleased with my choices The thing about football is it’s not just the game itself it’s the amount of interminable conversations about it a non football fan has to be in proximity to. Even non football fans can make it through a 90 minute game but not the endurance spectacle of a World Cup event dominating the whole nations brain.
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fuctifino posted:Thanks, it's not just me then. I found very little information about the UK plans. I guess more information is going to be revealed in a few days maybe? You presume there is a plan. Truss and team are hostile to the civil service because they keep saying "there's no evidence that your proposed policy will have the effects you want" and telling them planning is for losers.
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Rarity posted:I must have missed when Lizzie picked up an AK and fought in Iraq Err. If it was an AK not an SA80 that would probably imply she was fighting for the other guys. Which, is certainly an image.
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josh04 posted:Yeah but who's deciding to watch a live funeral on catch-up? Me. Well, the wife. Sometimes it's easier to watch something live on iplayer instead of DTT.
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