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Grand Fromage posted:Also worth noting that in the past he has done the correct way out. He got sued by the CEO of Chobani and immediately went to fake apology mode to get it dropped. Rich guy suing him was worthy of notice and respect. He didn't think a bunch of lowly parents in Connecticut could hurt him so he told them to gently caress off and kept profiting off their misery. And now here we are. when they were talking about the google analytics and how it drove him to talk more and more about sandyhook, and then he started rattling off all his store item prices and markups with perfect recall...I became very clear: he made most all of his money off of this. He never wanted to stop talking about it cause it was his primary revenue source. It's diabolical.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also worth noting that in the past he has done the correct way out. He got sued by the CEO of Chobani and immediately went to fake apology mode to get it dropped. Rich guy suing him was worthy of notice and respect. He didn't think a bunch of lowly parents in Connecticut could hurt him so he told them to gently caress off and kept profiting off their misery. And now here we are. I thought Bankston mentioned Jones did offer the Sandy Hook parents a settlement, but it was something stupidly low like $20k and didn't include a promise to stop. Just refusing to acknowledge he might be causing harm.
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duz posted:I thought Bankston mentioned Jones did offer the Sandy Hook parents a settlement, but it was something stupidly low like $20k and didn't include a promise to stop. Just refusing to acknowledge he might be causing harm. It was also like 5 years too late and after he had been defaulted.
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Drinkslinger posted:Apparently not! I did explain that to him. (If that comes across as snarky I am intending the snark for your "one weird trick" friend)
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This is a situation I've been curious about for a while. So once things have properly settled into place, Alex Jones will never be able to hold any real assets again and will no longer be capable of "grifting" for his own benefit. Like, he can still sell brain pills/beg for donations, but the proceeds would no longer go to him (assuming it's all above-board, which...more on this later). So I'm mostly curious if he's enough of a "true believer" to soldier on despite everything, or if he gets out of the game because it's no longer profitable to him. Plenty of people justify evil actions if it makes them millions of dollars but that becomes a harder sell to do otherwise, and I'm not sure where Alex Jones falls. A few possible outcomes: - Alex Jones explicitly tries to kill himself. He may well consider his life to be "over" in the sense that he'll never hold assets again, not see a way "out", and attempt suicide explicitly as a gently caress you to the people who successfully sued him. Things would need to be more solidified in court than they are now, though. - Alex Jones pulls some illegal shenanigans to try and continue operating "profitably", like by trying to conceal or obfuscate income and assets. This would of course be discovered immediately and could result in him going to prison for contempt. - He decides to rebrand himself as a martyr of sorts, like by deciding to just stream from a smart phone on YouTube or a chud-friendly video platform, and continues his toxic shtick on principle, without otherwise really being profitable. Just full brainworms. I'm curious how much he's technically allowed to keep when all's said and done. I know in a normal bankruptcy at least in my area you're allowed a certain baseline income (anything more than that gets garnished), and a basic minimum standard in terms of a place to live (e.g. you're allowed to rent a place but not own one, and are allowed a certain amount of different types of furniture e.g. you're allowed a table, chair and bed at least), probably you're allowed at least one computer and/or smart device as well as an internet connection. Also you're allowed to shortlist a number of items (I think where I am it's 20) that cannot be seized, usually because they're family heirlooms and that sort of thing. It's entirely possible bankruptcy is different especially since he's also specifically been sued and not merely insolvent for reasons that didn't stem from a court determining malicious action on his part.
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The settlement was universally seen as a bad faith offer. I'm pretty sure the bankruptcy judge was like "seriously?"
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Powerful Katrinka posted:He can scream all he wants, he's still hosed. The Alex Jones Circus can, and will, go on for as long as Jones can scream into a mic, but that doesn't change that he's screwed for the rest of his life. Shooting his mouth off isn't mutually exclusive with being financially hosed forever Not necessarily, he owes debts to people and they could argue that him doing further broadcasts could harm their ability to recover from him, and so they might be able to get a judge to issue like an order stopping him from being on the air. This is pretty close to prior restraint, but Jones really seems to like pissing off judges.
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I’m guessing Alex will suddenly claim he needs to sell his mansion and he will generously accept a bid below two billion USD, when it in fact is worth double that. Because of all the anti-globalist defences, you see.
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univbee posted:I know in a normal bankruptcy at least in my area you're allowed a certain baseline income (anything more than that gets garnished), and a basic minimum standard in terms of a place to live (e.g. you're allowed to rent a place but not own one, and are allowed a certain amount of different types of furniture e.g. you're allowed a table, chair and bed at least), probably you're allowed at least one computer and/or smart device as well as an internet connection. Also you're allowed to shortlist a number of items (I think where I am it's 20) that cannot be seized, usually because they're family heirlooms and that sort of thing. Interesting. Didn’t know that existed. So, legal minds itt, what happens now? $965m, can that go higher later on? Are there more court cases elsewhere to milk him? If $965m is where it ends, are there more proceedings or something to set it in stone and discuss payment details? Someone upthread asked about appeals from him but apparently he shat this case so hard that there isn’t much of an avenue left for him to explore there.
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As a non-lawyer my understanding has been that he cannot appeal the default, but I'm less clear on whether appealing the amount of damages is a possibility.
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I’m just kind of relieved that the jury didn’t end up being stumped by a MAGA-head in disguise, insisting the 1st amendment demands a mistrial or some such.
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how would this have played out in a court of bird-law?
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buglord posted:Interesting. Didn’t know that existed. The bigger question is how much of this might be knocked down on appeal, which he still has a right to for the damages portion. (He can theoretically appeal the default but that's...not happening.) Punitive damages are routinely reduced on appeal, but compensatory damages less so, and Jones is such a shitlord litigant that it wouldn't surprise me if he fucks up the appeals too.
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Powerful Katrinka posted:Jones didn't play nice with the system, so the system is going to make an example of him. Jones isn't a big-time power player with connections, he's a belligerent rear end in a top hat no one likes who has no value to the people that run and maintain the system. He lost the usual protections given to the rich and influential by his inability to cooperate. Anyone who had an interest in defending Jones at first, has jumped ship because the man himself is impossible to defend and he's just more trouble than he's worth. This isn't a normal Rich White Guy in Trouble case, and if you keep thinking that it is, you're not paying attention Yeah, it deserves to be repeated. Rich White Guy Justice is only reserved for people who treat the court with respect. If you gently caress around to the degree that Jones has the judicial system will absolutely grind you to dust worse than Non-Rich-White-Guys if only to make an example out of you. Jones already is no longer in control of his companies, he pissed the bankruptcy court Judge off so much that they ordered a government Auditor to run his companies and get detailed ledgers of Jones assets, up to and including the shell companies run by Jones' parents. They can literally sell the sheet rock off the office walls around Jones in the middle of a broadcast like it is The Sims and he's basically got no recourse.
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DeathSandwich posted:Yeah, it deserves to be repeated. Rich White Guy Justice is only reserved for people who treat the court with respect. If you gently caress around to the degree that Jones has the judicial system will absolutely grind you to dust worse than Non-Rich-White-Guys if only to make an example out of you. That's the biggest problem I've had reading people kramer into this thread and the trump thread to spout off nonsense about Jones getting off scot-free, he literally put himself in lower legal standing with the entire American judicial system than a homeless dude with a PD who got picked up for pissing on the street at 5AM. Multiple levels lower, to the point where he might as well not exist outside having to pay cursory attention. He did everything in his power to negate his rich white guy power, and the judicial system will respond in kind if you do that. edit: it's not like a rich guy talking about a plea and getting out of it, it's all happening in realtime because he defaulted. His assets were already forfeited to the government. He doesn't have recourse because he didn't play the game. Always play the game, no matter who you are. MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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SubponticatePoster posted:Tell your friend to look up "full faith and credit" which is this thingy in an obscure legal document called the Constitution that tl;dr says that a court order issued in any state will be enforced exactly as written in any other state. It applies to things like divorces, child support orders, and billion-dollar legal judgments to keep people from just picking up and moving to avoid compliance. Anyway, enough silliness from me - I'll go back to lurking and celebrating Jones' demise 
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Tree Dude posted:That's when he hobbles back to the liquor cabinet again Yeah, I can't see him shooting it out with the cops Bill Cooper style, or commiting suicide. Doubling down on booze and rapidly killing himself that way, seems extremely plausible.
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Random Stranger posted:Because he hosed things up worse than you will ever gently caress anything up in your lifetime (yes, you, the person reading this post) Don't assume you know how much of an idiot I am. Many have made that mistake.
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Oct 13, 2022 18:37
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MA-Horus posted:But but what if Alex Jones dies suddenly and FSS is taken over by one *checks notes* Jalex Ones? Who looks suspiciously like AJ with a moustache According to https://www.coolgenerator.com/anagram-generator, we need to be on the lookout for a new on-air personality named Ajax Clemson Reindeer, or maybe a gravelly-voiced lady named Adela Exorcism Jenner, who can really fill out a dress.
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ashpanash posted:I think that's literally Jones' best option right now - take everything he can that isn't nailed down, throw it in some crypto, and leave for Russia. He can start a little channel there and live reasonably comfortably, if he could calm down and get on the Jordan Peterson Benzo Diet. But then again he's Alex Jones, he'll make enemies no matter where he is, and in Russia he'll learn what state censorship really looks like. The sudden stop when hitting the ground from that window, not so much.
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CannonFodder posted:It looks really nice, the view from a 30th floor window is spectacular. The view from half way down?
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pixaal posted:The view from half way down? Breathtaking.
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Today I woke up worth hundreds of millions of dollars more than Alex Jones. 
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lol jones owes a billion dollars lol
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He might be attempting to go on the wingnut welfare walk now (more than usual I guess): https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1580621431867838467?t=-LI4q-XZsMeXYoMl8A1qWQ&s=19
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Devils Affricate posted:If there were true justice in the world he'd get the Britney Spears treatment and be placed under a conservatorship indefinitely. If there were true justice in this world, this would never have had to happen.
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LifeSunDeath posted:how would this have played out in a court of bird-law? much lower threshhold for probable cawws
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Mercury_Storm posted:He might be attempting to go on the wingnut welfare walk now (more than usual I guess): From the replies. I think deep down Jones knows this is his future as well. https://twitter.com/danagould/status/1507041643920121869#m
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This might not be a viable strategy long-term. Anyone having Jones as a guest may well, depending on what is said/done on their show, get implicated in future court dealings of Alex's (e.g. get asked to come in for questioning regarding what happened on the show) and a whiff of that happening will curtail him getting invited on stuff very quickly. Because even people who "agree" with Alex generally also recognize he's toxic as gently caress and any association with him will damage their brand for no gain.
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DeathSandwich posted:
God? Are you there? Please. Holy poo poo please I want that to be real. Let that happen and I'll eat some Jesus crackers again.
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Crain posted:God? Are you there? Please. Holy poo poo please I want that to be real. Let that happen and I'll eat some Jesus crackers again. I will buy some of that sheet rock for $1 a square foot just to watch some contractor sawing through the joists behind him as he unleashes guttural screams into a mic.
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funeral home DJ posted:I will buy some of that sheet rock for $1 a square foot just to watch some contractor sawing through the joists behind him as he unleashes guttural screams into a mic. This wall of my house is made out of repurposed material from the InfoWars set I got during a liquidation sale. It's for my donation to the parents of the victims of Sandy Hook.
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InsertPotPun posted:they're all just hoping to steal some of his audience away. no honor among scum. That's exactly what I figured Crowder's stake was in having Jones as a guest on his show the moment I saw that tweet.
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funeral home DJ posted:I will buy some of that sheet rock for $1 a square foot just to watch some contractor sawing through the joists behind him as he unleashes guttural screams into a mic. I would pay $20 a month for a 24/7 streaming service of Jones’ life collapsing, with a $1 super chat feature to talk poo poo to him directly via bullhorn. Every dime should go to the SH families. E: his audience is the most valuable asset he has. Minds unclouded by critical or analytical thinking, a credit card attached to a central nervous system and a paranoia gland. red19fire fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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red19fire posted:I would pay $20 a month for a 24/7 streaming service of Jones’ life collapsing, with a $1 super chat feature to talk poo poo to him directly via bullhorn. Every dime should go to the SH families. If we're going to have him work it off it'd probably be more satisfying and humiliating for him to force him to guest star on shows as the bad guy. Just constantly poo poo on. He can have enough to pay for ramen or chili but not both for the week and a small apartment. Rest goes to the families. Basically your idea but it's scripted so he can't possibly say hateful things on air(unless some show's writing staff is dumb enough to give him input). Letting him have live shows still seems like a very dangerous thing. If they can find a billion hidden in crypto then yeah sell that ban him from everything.
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If Jones gets a twitch account where he reads out insulting comments directed at him for a few the families get their money in no time
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pixaal posted:If we're going to have him work it off it'd probably be more satisfying and humiliating for him to force him to guest star on shows as the bad guy. Just constantly poo poo on. He can have enough to pay for ramen or chili but not both for the week and a small apartment. Rest goes to the families. Basically your idea but it's scripted so he can't possibly say hateful things on air(unless some show's writing staff is dumb enough to give him input). Letting him have live shows still seems like a very dangerous thing. Just put him in The Cube but with no lethal traps, just constant humiliation.
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