|
Deketh posted:I've been meaning to make a PIP application but loving hell I wonder if it might be better for my mental health not to. Cruel bunch of cunts Unfortunately that's the intention. Works too. October 18th 1945 - the USSR receives the nuclear secrets from Klaus Fuchs. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 18, 2022 |
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 09:23 |
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:Just a repeating May --> Bojo --> Truss sequence. one of the odder variants of 'rock paper scissors' you can play
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:37
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:It's expensive. As is foreign travel. Especially as I don't like flying so any travel I do make is usually by train. I'm going to London in a few weeks, and I'm flying. My round trip is costing me about £100 and is 90 minutes each way. To travel by train would cost me twice as much and take six times as long. Now you can take this as an indictment of the cheapness of air travel or the ludicrous cost of franchised trains and I won't argue. But I still literally saved the entire cost of my passport twice over by making a single trip in a ten year period.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:39
|
|
|
Bobby Deluxe posted:It costs £75 to apply and I don't have £75 spare. If I can't afford the passport I certainly can't afford a holiday abroad, so what's the point in applying? can’t you apply to the thread fund?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:40
|
|
|
If you're not going abroad why would you need a passport? I've never had one.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:47
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/statto/status/1582021896169979904
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:48
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:If you're not going abroad why would you need a passport? I've never had one. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:48
|
|
|
Gwaint posted:one of the odder variants of 'rock paper scissors' you can play Quite a good correlation though May - boring, grey, immovable Johnson - all paper-thin excuses and no substance Truss - CUT TAXES CUT SPENDING
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:48
|
|
|
My passport expired a year ago. I haven't been abroad in years (really don't want to check, I feel old enough already) so I'll probably only renew it when it's coming up to that 5 year mark when it becomes less straightforward to do.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:52
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Beloved old willow like it's a 600 year old oak lol People get weirdly sentimental about willows - one in a garden near a friend of mine had to be murked because its roots were severely loving up the local sewer lines, and there were notes about ~TREE MURDER!!1!!~ left on the owner's fence.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:52
|
|
|
Jel Shaker posted:can’t you apply to the thread fund? I think I just took the tone of Spangly's post personally in that I am also someone who applied 'wrong' and I feel like most other people also apply wrong, and it's the fault of an absolutely hosed system, not me for being unaware of the secret 'correct' way of looking things up - especially in cases like this where an applicant has neuropsychological difficulties.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 13:53
|
|
|
I hope they replace her with May just for the possibility of her calling an election to get a mandate and we get Crush The Saboteurs 2.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:08
|
|
|
Salisbury Snape posted:She's aged ten years in 42days A bit like myself; she needs a shave.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:09
|
|
|
Jedit posted:I'm going to London in a few weeks, and I'm flying. My round trip is costing me about £100 and is 90 minutes each way. To travel by train would cost me twice as much and take six times as long. Where is the saving coming in? Like obviously by flying? But if we're talking international you'd need the passport anyway to go on the train. If you're talking internal you don't need a passport to fly?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:13
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:If you're not going abroad why would you need a passport? I've never had one. I had to get one last year to register my marriage but to be fair hadn’t had one for like a decade before that
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:15
|
|
|
you need a passport to vote
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:17
|
|
|
Jel Shaker posted:you need a passport to vote So if you never get a passport it removes the temptation to vote for Starmer's Labour - a compelling argument
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:20
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:If you're not going abroad why would you need a passport? I've never had one. Well if you be never learned to drive it's useful to have some photo ID I guess. That's the only time I've thought about getting a passport. But tbh it's easier to just be poor and stressed so you age prematurely and they never ask for ID for bevvy.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:23
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:Well if you be never learned to drive it's useful to have some photo ID I guess. That's the only time I've thought about getting a passport. But tbh it's easier to just be poor and stressed so you age prematurely and they never ask for ID for bevvy. I just got IDed buying a case of hard seltzers in a New York supermarket last night. I'm a 37yo greybeard so it felt kinda nice
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:27
|
|
|
Jel Shaker posted:you need a passport to vote Wot?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:27
|
|
|
new rules, tories said so
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:29
|
|
|
Jel Shaker posted:tories Who?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:36
|
|
|
Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I'm sure you're right about all of that, but even the distant idea of that being necessary for vulnerable people to receive help fills me with black despair. actually I've had a cig and reading back I think I'm wrong here. The MP could have dealt with this better but it's not reasonable for me to expect everyone to have the encyclopedic knowledge of beurocratic genocide that I've tried to build from several years of staring into the void in these threads and dealing with these vampires. The DWP pretty recently sent notice that neither the "lifetime" part of my award or the covid extension to my review deadline are things they care about, to an address they don't think I live at, so this month I had 2 working days to scramble for an extension and start rebuilding evidence held by organisations that don't exist anymore, and it's definitely affecting me. Deketh posted:I've been meaning to make a PIP application but loving hell I wonder if it might be better for my mental health not to. Cruel bunch of cunts Do it. It can be a deeply unpleasant experience, but there are ways to mitigate this, and it's definitely easier to deal with the dwp than it is to deal with going without money that you are entitled to, and whatever quality of life improvements it buys you, when you deserve those things. The main things I try to tell people is to take a day, have a friend or family member with you for moral support/venting, the actual typing up and formating of the final answers you'll be sending off, and to review the necessary list of places you'll need to contact for supporting evidence. It is much easier to do this for someone else than yourself, to the point I strongly recommend not doing your own initial claim if you have someone in your life you can trust with both the paperwork and the emotional vulnerability you need to show to so talk about yourself in the required manner. If you don't have someone that fits that criteria and has the free time, then absolutely have someone to support you with the emotional stress it can create. Always think firstly that the worst case scenario you face is the same as the best case scenario if you don't go through it, and frequently remind yourself that you as a human being deserve whatever support you need to live a happy and fulfilling life. On the actual process, your best bet is to do the whole thing backwards. You memorise the 4 tests for disability in every descriptor; - can you fulfil a task safely and in a way that will not cause you, or others around you, harm? - can you fulfil this task to a "reasonable" standard of quality? - can you reliably fulfil this task as often as is required? - can you fulfil this task in a reasonable time period, usually considered to be no more than twice as long as an unimpaired average person, from the moment you decide to start the task? The easiest way to make these bulletproof is to tie them directly to a medical condition or injury known to impact these standards, find any written reference to the specifics from any given professional, and then supply confirmation of a diagnosis from an appropriate specialist. This is not necessary to receive the award. You do not need a single medical diagnosis if you can provide written evidence or testimony that you do not meet these standards. If you use any tools, aids, or reminders to meet all 4 criteria, then you do not meet the criteria. Again, If you can answer yes to all four questions because you have made personal adjustments or use specialist implements or modifications, you have not met the criteria, and should include this in your claim, making sure it is phrased as "I am unable to do X in (reword the test you answered no to)", and then describe how you use tools, aids or reminders in the next section. If you are asked about this in an interview, simply calmly repeat yourself - no, I cannot do X task in Y manner. I am forced to use Z tool/aid/reminder. Always remember that you're writing the worst case on the worst day on anything that can impact you regularily, even if those regular days aren't necessarily the worst case. If you need a wheelchair or cane to get around a few days a month, and are just in pain the other days, that doesn't mean you don't need a walking appliance, because without one you'd be failing all 4 tests on every single day that you need it. Let me give an example of how serious focus or attention issues, perhaps from a primary condition that is known to cause anxiety, or from ADHD or similar. This is a loosely rewritten answer I have written for a friends application and received full points for in the food prep section, which I did not actually expect to score. I've not included the list of all the pans with grip handles and so on. - "I cannot prepare food for myself to an acceptable standard. I have ADHD and chronic anxiety stemming from previous abuse, and this seriously impairs my ability to plan and follow basic meal times. I will routinely miss meals, or leave food to cook so long that I have had to put out small kitchen fires. I am forced to make detailed calenders with multiple alarms reminding me to eat, and I am forced to make detailed calenders with multiple alarms reminding me that I have food cooking so that I do not set fire to my house. I am unable to safely handle normal kitchenware, as my impaired attention leaves me at risk of knife cuts and burns through improperly handling my kitchenware, and I am forced to use specialist kitchenware as a result. I am also dyspraxic, and no adjustments remove the risk of injuring myself with knives since I do not have reliable and consistent grip strength, and having cut myself on multiple occasions, I am not able to prep any food requiring cutting as safely as is reasonable, and experience stress, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts about slipping and injuring myself every time I cook. I am attaching a signed overview of these diagnoses from a discharge letter sent to my GP by a psychiatrist". So to continue on why we go backwards - do not attempt to think of how your disability affects you in day to day life, because we all learn to adapt to difficulties and disabilities we face in life, and to cope with these things in our own way, and a big part of that is a succesful coping mechanism is supposed to stop us thinking about how things impair us. It is pretty much the entire point! But here we don't want to do that, we need to strip every strategy away and imagine a world where we just don't adapt and try to do things exactly as a hypothetical perfectly unimpaired person, which is not actually how any person has ever lived. You look at the question, you give yourself a bit of distance, and you apply each test to each question. What would being unable to do this task to a reasonable quality look like? what would taking twice as long to do a task look like? Then you ask, do any of these things sound like me? Do I do anything differently to other people to make myself fit these categories? If you say yes to this, write it up. This is a point where having a friend or family member is most useful, because you ask the question of them - does this sound like a thing you've seen me do? do I do certain things differently to you to make myself fit these criteria? When you do this, the interaction is not a hostile government agency calling you a wretch and forcing you to either be depressed or defend your self worth in a way that costs you money, it is a loved one speaking to you from a place of compassion. It is much less painful, and removes you from the hostile context of the forms. Once you've gone over the questions backwards you can start thinking about where you'll find evidence of any impairments or conditions you've mentioned and start compiling a nice big list. After that you can then do a final pass at the questions the way the paperwork tells you to do at the start - do I have problems with these tasks. You'll probably find that you've not really missed out much, but I do know people that have added things at the end which earned them a point or two, and a point or two in a borderline case could be £80 a month. It's also going to be a much quicker job than doing it this way from the start, which is good, because it is fundamentally unpleasant to be made to think about yourself that way. After that you, or someone supporting you, type it all up and save it, then create a 2nd document to start drafting in a nice concise manner in that repetitive gcse-essay-wordcount format. As a person with (impairment/condition/injury/whatever you're using as an evidenced basis for the point), I am unable to do (task) in a manner that is (all tests that you can answer no to). This causes me (consequences). Next section, as a person with (as above), I use (coping strategy). I am still unable to do (task) in (any tests you still do not meet with strategy/tools). If you have multiple unrelated impairments in a single category, put them one after the other, because I've seen the pricks discard entire sections because they disagreed with a single point about neuropathic injury on the basis that there was no MS diagnosis (I did not specify MS in the writeup, though the neurologist had specified suspected post-herpetic neuralgia resulting from shingles and scoliosis). Seperate the points and anyone trying to ratfuck you for a quota has to discard each point seperately too. It's no secret they have extremely high rejection quotas and extremely high rates of claims overturned at tribunal, so if that's what you end up dealing with, it's nice to have a format that makes their attempt look as unreasonable as possible. If you've got a solid case for above-minimum awards in either mobility or daily living, then ime this can take anywhere from 2-8 hours all in, with 8 hours being by far my longest application, done for my very anxious, inattentive, and techphobic mum, with a great many smoke breaks. You can break this up over a few days but a lot of people want this part out of the way so they can move on to requesting whatever evidence they need and getting it all sent off. Do what's best for you. Citizens Advice and any local one stop shops will have staff that can help, but due to the massive demand for their services it's pretty much impossible for them to make time to go about it in this manner, so the best time to seek their advice is right at the very start (for general guidance and signposting) and when you've already got a solid draft (for review, adjustments, notes, and smaller suggestions). If you or anyone else have any further questions or want any advice please remember that I absolutely live for this poo poo and am happy to talk about it over pms or itt e; I added double para breaks because the second I hit post and saw this loving wall of text i started getting a headache Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 18, 2022 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:36
|
|
|
smellmycheese posted:So , erm, Central heating then unless that willow was dead standing for awhile or was kiln dried after the chop etc there's not a hope it's dried or seasoned to anywhere near the (already quite high) 20% moisture levels for sold firewood in 2-3 months some of the stuff I have cut has taken 2-3 years to get to a good season (10-15%) of course the whole article is a loving sham anyway but that additionally pissed me off
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:36
|
|
|
Runcible Cat posted:People get weirdly sentimental about willows - one in a garden near a friend of mine had to be murked because its roots were severely loving up the local sewer lines, and there were notes about ~TREE MURDER!!1!!~ left on the owner's fence. Either way DesperateDan posted:of course the whole article is a loving sham anyway
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:42
|
|
|
You would be surprised how many things need ID now. Collecting parcels from the post office is the main one, but I needed one for my last PiP application. There's a really interesting thing happened when the guy at the post office asked how I don't have a passport, and I say I don't have the money. He asks how we get away on holiday, and I pointed out we haven't in the last 10 years. He honestly seemed more shocked by the idea of someone being financially unable to go abroad than someone not having £75 free to apply for a passport.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:43
|
|
|
NotJustANumber99 posted:Where is the saving coming in? Like obviously by flying? But if we're talking international you'd need the passport anyway to go on the train. If you're talking internal you don't need a passport to fly? I have always been asked for photo ID to fly, even domestically. In fact on one occasion a few years ago I didn't bring my passport to the airport for a domestic flight and was refused boarding despite having multiple forms of photo ID on me including my work ID that certifies I am a local government employee. Only a passport or driving licence suffice, and I don't drive.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:58
|
|
|
Spangly A posted:
Thanks mate, appreciate all the info. Daunting as hell, honestly, and I haven't even made the first phone call to start the entire process yet. I've been staring at the phone number for a couple of weeks at this point trying to muster the fortitude. I'm gonna save this for when/if I get to that point. Thanks again, I don't have PMs so I'll have to bug you with an empty quote at some point. Cheers dude 
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 14:59
|
|
|
Jedit posted:I have always been asked for photo ID to fly, even domestically. In fact on one occasion a few years ago I didn't bring my passport to the airport for a domestic flight and was refused boarding despite having multiple forms of photo ID on me including my work ID that certifies I am a local government employee. Only a passport or driving licence suffice, and I don't drive. Mean while all those smug continental types are swanning around in their Schengen Zone passport-free. And the only reason that Ireland isn't part of that club is because we wanted to hang around with the UK while they threw a strop.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:09
|
|
|
I've not left the country since Brexit but shudder at the thought of not popping over to Poland or Croatia every couple of years for a week of cheap fags and booze. Edit : obviously not cheap now since the tories flushed the pound.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:32
|
|
|
A provisional license is valid ID, costs £34, £14 to renew.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:37
|
|
|
escapegoat posted:A provisional license is valid ID, costs £34, £14 to renew.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:40
|
|
|
Bobby Deluxe posted:You need a valid passport. for a provisional license?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:44
|
|
|
Lol yes its catch-22 where you need a Passport for a Drivers License and some form of photo ID for a Passport. My Passport ran out like two decades ago and my Drivers License is a tattered old green paper thing, so I'm in a cleft stick. Thanks at least to Keith for making me not have any interest in voting next time a GE comes around and solving my 'No ID, No Vote' issue I guess.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:44
|
|
|
Bobby Deluxe posted:Probably, but I don't want to be a burden on internet friends. And it still remains that I am unable to work, and the state is able to prevent me accessing support by applying several layers of spite driven cunts between me and that support. You took it personally because my post was pretty stupid so that's on me, and I'm sorry for that. Deketh posted:Thanks mate, appreciate all the info. Daunting as hell, honestly, and I haven't even made the first phone call to start the entire process yet. I've been staring at the phone number for a couple of weeks at this point trying to muster the fortitude. I'm gonna save this for when/if I get to that point. Thanks again, I don't have PMs so I'll have to bug you with an empty quote at some point. Cheers dude no worries, any time. Mull it over and ignore most of the detail until you can find a way to frame it to yourself that makes it easier. infinite deadline optional coursework is what somehow still works for me, hence all the padded essay framing. the only other generic advice I have is to try to make the initial "send me a form" call when you've got an hour or two of free time available. The hold time is long and the muzak is insufferable but all the non-assessment stuff is usually quick and agreeable, so just crack on with a book or tv and forget about it til they pick up
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:46
|
|
|
Is that a recent change? I got my provisional six years ago or so and I didn't need a passport to get it
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:46
|
|
|
I thought you could use a birth certificate and either a payslip or a letter from the benefits office
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:49
|
|
|
^^^ Don't have a job, don't claim benefits. Am registered self employed. Humorously, most job applications want to verify your id by driving license or passport, sooo... OwlFancier posted:for a provisional license? Also if you've ever used a passport during the application process, they keep asking for the passport and then refusing it because it's out of date. And I can't renew it because I need to change the address, which means restarting it as a £75 application. . Basically I moved house and now I seem to be hosed out of ID forever. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Oct 18, 2022 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:52
|
|
|
https://www.gov.uk/id-for-driving-licencequote:Send one of the following with your application: It's a passport OR Birth certificate.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 09:23 |
|
|
dunno why but I like the implication that you can trade in any old person's valid passport in order to get your own
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2022 15:56
|
|
