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PHUO: All Science Fiction is actually Fantasy
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Oct 21, 2022 21:20
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"all sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is a meaningless phrase.
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Oct 21, 2022 22:06
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Gripweed posted:"all sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is a meaningless phrase. If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him or really good technology -Carl Sagan
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Oct 22, 2022 01:31
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pretty sure it was harry potter who said that
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Oct 22, 2022 01:35
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Gaius Marius posted:gently caress Columbo. gently caress zoomers suddenly latching onto lovely tv shows. And gently caress people who think "Reference" = Joke. 
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Oct 22, 2022 13:43
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PHUO: Gaius Marius is one of the best posters on the forums, because his genre of posting is constantly, needlessly, angrily, bending over and doing a goatse in the thread, and not realising why people are laughing at him over it e: the second best posters are the ones that immediately riff and dunk on the former group 
alexandriao has a new favorite as of 13:48 on Oct 22, 2022 |
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Oct 22, 2022 13:45
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People creating anthills to die on and then going full hulk trying to "defend" it is the funniest poo poo. Worth the  imo
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Oct 22, 2022 13:45
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alexandriao posted:PHUO: Gaius Marius is one of the best posters on the forums, because his genre of posting is constantly, needlessly angrily, bending over and doing a goatse in the thread, and not realising why people are laughing at him over it This is a very popular opinion imo.
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Oct 22, 2022 13:46
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Captain Monkey posted:This is a very popular opinion imo. (insert 20 paragraph post of me alternatively insulting you for no good reason, while also pointing at gnostic style ms paint graphs for why this is not only untrue, but also you dont deserve to live over it)
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Oct 22, 2022 13:49
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alexandriao posted:PHUO: Gaius Marius is one of the best posters on the forums, because his genre of posting is constantly, needlessly, angrily, bending over and doing a goatse in the thread, and not realising why people are laughing at him over it Gaius Marius is one of the best posters on the forums because he agrees with me a lot.
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Oct 22, 2022 13:56
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Gripweed posted:Gaius Marius is one of the best posters on the forums because he agrees with me a lot. lol lmao
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Oct 22, 2022 14:07
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alexandriao posted:(insert 20 paragraph post of me alternatively insulting you for no good reason, while also pointing at gnostic style ms paint graphs for why this is not only untrue, but also you dont deserve to live over it) 
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Oct 22, 2022 14:55
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Do you guyes actually read scifi? Might I suggest Hannu Rajaniemi and the trilogy starting with Quantum Thief.
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Oct 22, 2022 22:10
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doverhog posted:Do you guyes actually read scifi? Might I suggest Hannu Rajaniemi and the trilogy starting with Quantum Thief. I’m reading Dark Imperium: Plague War right now
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Oct 22, 2022 22:31
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Alright, I like the quantum thief trilogy because it looks at what a far future "post singularity" society might be like.
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Oct 22, 2022 22:35
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phuo: "the singularity" is a silly concept and it's never going to happen. e: which makes it well-suited for fantasy/scifi but still it's hard to take it seriously yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 22:56 on Oct 22, 2022 |
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Oct 22, 2022 22:49
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doverhog posted:Alright, I like the quantum thief trilogy because it looks at what a far future "post singularity" society might be like. The Night Lords trilogy is pretty good, it imagines what if some really strong guys were also evil.
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Oct 22, 2022 23:18
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yeah I eat rear end posted:phuo: "the singularity" is a silly concept and it's never going to happen. How do you imagine the far future? Same as now except the people live in shinier buildings? It's not a fair question as any rational human imagining the future as it currently stands sees climate change spurred famine, war, etc. but look past that if you can, into the future that might'(ve) be(en).
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Oct 22, 2022 23:44
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doverhog posted:How do you imagine the far future? Same as now except the people live in shinier buildings? Hopefully it is a society that realizes the mistakes we have made in our era and doesn't pursue pointless urban expansion. Even just maintaining the status quo would be a big improvement. If we keep continuing with uncontrolled growth hopefully some alien predators come in and regulate the population.
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Oct 22, 2022 23:59
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Hopefully it is a society that realizes the mistakes we have made in our era and doesn't pursue pointless urban expansion. Even just maintaining the status quo would be a big improvement. If we keep continuing with uncontrolled growth hopefully some alien predators come in and regulate the population. The status quo can never be maintained, especially not now but also not in theory. The world and you are always changing. The Quantum Thief books take place in a post-collapse future. Uncontrolled growth lead to an apocalypse, after which there are no baseline humans living on earth, or anywhere else really.
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Oct 23, 2022 00:18
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there are 3/4 good sci fi authors: lem, the strugatsky's and i'll allow philip k dick. the rest is junk
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Oct 23, 2022 06:59
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How many books do you read in a year?
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Oct 23, 2022 08:20
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Ohtori Akio posted:what's the temperature on The Nanny itt good spank material in the nineties when no jcpennies catalogues were handy
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Oct 24, 2022 00:14
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Shibawanko posted:there are 3/4 good sci fi authors: lem, the strugatsky's and i'll allow philip k dick. the rest is junk Person who never read Ted Chiang
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Oct 24, 2022 02:41
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Gripweed posted:"all sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is a meaningless phrase. yeah I eat rear end posted:phuo: "the singularity" is a silly concept and it's never going to happen. I don't know what, specifically, you mean by "the singularity", but in general I believe it simply refers to any scientific, social or technological change that is so revolutionary that its effects are impossible to predict. Like, look at any of the predictions of the future from the early 20th century talking about stuff like "in the future, instead of going to the library you would simply call up on your videophone and ask the librarian to send you the book you wanted, which would be printed on fully recyclable material in a matter of minutes" because they were basing their assumptions on the idea that the telephone/telegraph/fax would continue to improve, but hadn't factored the internet in at all because it didn't exist and its implications couldn't be imagined.
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Oct 24, 2022 04:44
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Tiggum posted:The meaning is that when something is so far beyond your level of knowledge that you have no hope of understanding how it works, no explanation of it will be any better than 'it's magic'. You're flipping the significance, Clarke's phrase really intends to mean "what we think of magic is just technology and/or science we don't understand or haven't invented yet" If you told someone in the 1600s that you could hurtle through the air faster than speaking a word, they'd hang you for witchcraft Today, we just fly jets and nobody gives a poo poo There's a really very well written and excellent set of short stories about this very concept hosted at https://qntm.org/ra You're somewhat close on your understanding of the singularity, but the missing bit is that it's a technological change that either supercedes, or completely eradicates, the meaning/worth of human existence
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Oct 24, 2022 12:23
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it's bullshit for nerds
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Oct 24, 2022 12:27
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Tiggum posted:It isn't. The meaning is that when something is so far beyond your level of knowledge that you have no hope of understanding how it works, no explanation of it will be any better than 'it's magic'. Like, me describing a computer by saying "well, there are complicated circuits that are like switches that can be on or off and somehow that results in pictures appearing on a screen" is literally no better explanation of what's going on than "it's magic". Yes it is. That's much better
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Oct 24, 2022 12:46
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Shibawanko posted:it's bullshit for nerds Nerds are cool, unlike you.
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Oct 24, 2022 12:49
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guy who reads books by guys named Brandon or Douglas: "i am cool, unlike you"
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Oct 24, 2022 14:22
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postmodifier posted:You're flipping the significance, Clarke's phrase really intends to mean "what we think of magic is just technology and/or science we don't understand or haven't invented yet" Gripweed posted:Yes it is. That's much better
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Oct 24, 2022 15:19
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Superman, were he to exist, would have the moral duty to destroy capitalism, unite the world, stop climate change, destruction of the environment, wars, etc. Anything less and he would be responsible through negligence, to stop a bad thing from happening when he could've.
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Oct 24, 2022 16:23
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Tiggum posted:That's implicit in what I said. What I think of as magic is just something I don't understand. Even if I don't use the word "magic", it's the same thing. I say "electronics" but it doesn't mean anything more to me than "magic" does. You're missing the forest for the trees, with this It doesn't matter if you, personally, understand how a computer works, there are many individuals who do understand it, and in fact, understand it so well that they can build them and let you take advantage of the technology without needing to comprehend it at all This is not magic, you're just uninformed or don't care enough to learn why a thing does what a thing does Clarke's quote doesn't have anything to do with that, it's literally talking about things like: "Holy poo poo, how did you receive a message from across the globe???????? This is a phenomenon never before comprehended!!!!!! This is magic!!!!" And now we have cell phones where people do that every day on the regular So to take it a step further, we would still say that telepathy, in the sense that you're sending messages to another person with your mind alone, is paranormal, magic, a miracle, whatever the gently caress Nah, we just don't have the technology for that yet, but honestly we can probably get there, we just need sufficiently advanced technology
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Oct 24, 2022 17:11
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Tiggum posted:How? What I said doesn't mean anything. I didn't tell you how computers work; I can't because I don't know. "There's tiny switches that can be on or off and that makes pictures happen" is only a better explanation (if it is at all) if you already know more than me about how it works such that you understand the concepts I'm blindly parroting. You'd have the same information regardless of what I said because I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. I may as well have said it was magic. It would have saved time. Because you acknowledge that it functions on understandable principles, even if you're too uninterested or stupid or lazy to learn them.
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Oct 24, 2022 17:20
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unrelated to the previous discusion, If you were put in a gifted and talented program as a child and didn't grow up to be a successful adult, then the adults in your childhood were wrong and you should be angry at them for making you do extra homework when you were just as stupid as all the other kids.
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Oct 24, 2022 17:22
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After they put me in Mathletes I started putting the wrong answer down on purpose.
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Oct 24, 2022 18:09
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my opinion is that all fireworks should be banned because they make my dogs sad. and they're dangerous, but that's secondary
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Oct 24, 2022 20:56
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Gripweed posted:Because you acknowledge that it functions on understandable principles, even if you're too uninterested or stupid or lazy to learn them. So does magic. What do you think a wizard is?
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Oct 25, 2022 06:06
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Tiggum posted:So does magic. What do you think a wizard is? Magic is an overloaded term in 2022 with conflicting historic and cultural definitions. I don't know what it used to mean (probably Not-Christian like my friend's Christian Mom thought when banning RPGs), but Clarke was specifically using Unknowable-by-Humans and that's not how technology works
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Oct 25, 2022 07:11
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ManBoyChef posted:good spank material in the nineties when no jcpennies catalogues were handy The internet killing horny cinema and horny tv was a good thing, thats my PHUO.
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Oct 25, 2022 17:13
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